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[cogsandcurls]

Hi guys,

I've come here to apologise. I only finished Mass Effect 3 this morning, but even before then I'd seen a furore about the endings - and dismissed it. "I bet it's a bittersweet ending and everyone's just put out because they wanted to get the unambigous happy ending" I thought. I thought it couldn't be that bad. Well, I finished it and although I thought the deus ex machina was ridiculous, the choices arbitrary and the outcome vague, I thought it was mostly alright.

I've been mulling it over for the last few hours and the more I think about it, the more irritated I get. Bittersweet I can handle, bleak I can handle. Deus ex machina I can sort of handle. But the lack of choice (even the choice to challenge the Catalyst's opinions about the Synthetics issue), the character assassination of Joker and Shepard in particular, the multiple plot holes, the lack of closure, that I can't handle. I've been writing down my problems with it (just to get it out of my system - I'm not intending to show it to anybody as I'm sure it's been talked about to death), and I'm up to number 25. Twenty five. I'm suprised at how much I dislike the ending. I'm not usually one who dislikes these things. I went into it wanting to like it. I don't gain anything by disliking it apart from a sense of immense dissatisfaction.

To Bioware: I'm sorry. It's because I love your work that I'm so incredibly disappointed with this. I thought Mass Effect and it's sequels were largely brilliant. Huge sections of ME3 were setting it up to be the biggest and best game in the series, possibly the most satisfying game I've ever played, what with the resolution of so many plot choices - and then the ending happened. I'm upset because I know you can do better. I'm upset because you succeeded in creating a diverse, vibrant universe with a wealth of rich plot threads and character motivations - and then threw them all by the wayside. I'm upset because I believed in you and then it all fell apart at the end - and the worst thing is that I'm worried that the furore about this is going to damage a company I love and respect deeply. I really hope it doesn't. But I can't just pretend the ending was acceptable or satisfactory, because it isn't. I'm sorry and I hope that we, both Bioware and fans, can come out of this positively in the end.

So, yeah. New recruit, holding the line.

[Plummy]

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Yatzhee has never seemed to care about Mass Effect too much, so his article was no surprise. HIs article is of no consequence because it's a "I respectfully disagree" article (well, as respectful as he gets). MovieBob, on the other hand, clearly hasn't done much research. Though really, this also isn't surprising; he constantly forgets games don't work like movies, thinks Uncharted is the best story the Western world could create for this medium, and has weird ideas about the "risks" of consuming (In short, you paid for it, deal with it). Thankfully, the comments are ripping him to shreds.

IGN and PA are staying quiet because we've dismantled all their arguments so far; they're trying to think of some way to continue to counter us in a respectful manner without devolving into using ad homine- oh, wait.
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I think when this is all over and the dust is settled and we have our happy shep lives ending, our shep dies saving everyone ending to the reapers pwn all ending, evil shep save's the galaxy then becomes Emperor Shep and the other 12 other endings between them marks. We will look at the site's like IGN, PA and many other's plus the game critics and we shall know that they were wrong and we were right!

I agree with your comment about Yatzhee he never really did like the ME series anyway so i was expecting him to say that and as for moviebob. It's been eye opener but the over the past couple of months i havent really been enjoying his view points on stuff at the moment and i am actually enjoy the comments people are currently giving him and they are tearing him a new one.

[MeldarthX]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

[Matt_gekko88]

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Noo, she dumped my MaleShep after they played chess.

[the_secondhammer]

cogsandcurls wrote...

Hi guys,

I've come here to apologise. I only finished Mass Effect 3 this morning, but even before then I'd seen a furore about the endings - and dismissed it. "I bet it's a bittersweet ending and everyone's just put out because they wanted to get the unambigous happy ending" I thought. I thought it couldn't be that bad. Well, I finished it and although I thought the deus ex machina was ridiculous, the choices arbitrary and the outcome vague, I thought it was mostly alright.

I've been mulling it over for the last few hours and the more I think about it, the more irritated I get. Bittersweet I can handle, bleak I can handle. Deus ex machina I can sort of handle. But the lack of choice (even the choice to challenge the Catalyst's opinions about the Synthetics issue), the character assassination of Joker and Shepard in particular, the multiple plot holes, the lack of closure, that I can't handle. I've been writing down my problems with it (just to get it out of my system - I'm not intending to show it to anybody as I'm sure it's been talked about to death), and I'm up to number 25. Twenty five. I'm suprised at how much I dislike the ending. I'm not usually one who dislikes these things. I went into it wanting to like it. I don't gain anything by disliking it apart from a sense of immense dissatisfaction.

To Bioware: I'm sorry. It's because I love your work that I'm so incredibly disappointed with this. I thought Mass Effect and it's sequels were largely brilliant. Huge sections of ME3 were setting it up to be the biggest and best game in the series, possibly the most satisfying game I've ever played, what with the resolution of so many plot choices - and then the ending happened. I'm upset because I know you can do better. I'm upset because you succeeded in creating a diverse, vibrant universe with a wealth of rich plot threads and character motivations - and then threw them all by the wayside. I'm upset because I believed in you and then it all fell apart at the end - and the worst thing is that I'm worried that the furore about this is going to damage a company I love and respect deeply. I really hope it doesn't. But I can't just pretend the ending was acceptable or satisfactory, because it isn't. I'm sorry and I hope that we, both Bioware and fans, can come out of this positively in the end.

So, yeah. New recruit, holding the line.

Well spoken. *salutes*

[Cybermortis]

chujwamdotego wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

As far as I know the only thing Bioware has responded to............... is cupcakes

How did they respond? I think the idea was just brilliant

http://twitter.com/#...426281243377665

Hahahaha, good thing it worked out. And that bit about porsche was actually humourus.

The next drive should be to get the Bioware staff what they asked for; cars!

Toy cars, in red, green and blue of course....

[Ender99]

cogsandcurls wrote...

Hi guys,

I've come here to apologise. I only finished Mass Effect 3 this morning, but even before then I'd seen a furore about the endings - and dismissed it. "I bet it's a bittersweet ending and everyone's just put out because they wanted to get the unambigous happy ending" I thought. I thought it couldn't be that bad. Well, I finished it and although I thought the deus ex machina was ridiculous, the choices arbitrary and the outcome vague, I thought it was mostly alright.

I've been mulling it over for the last few hours and the more I think about it, the more irritated I get. Bittersweet I can handle, bleak I can handle. Deus ex machina I can sort of handle. But the lack of choice (even the choice to challenge the Catalyst's opinions about the Synthetics issue), the character assassination of Joker and Shepard in particular, the multiple plot holes, the lack of closure, that I can't handle. I've been writing down my problems with it (just to get it out of my system - I'm not intending to show it to anybody as I'm sure it's been talked about to death), and I'm up to number 25. Twenty five. I'm suprised at how much I dislike the ending. I'm not usually one who dislikes these things. I went into it wanting to like it. I don't gain anything by disliking it apart from a sense of immense dissatisfaction.

To Bioware: I'm sorry. It's because I love your work that I'm so incredibly disappointed with this. I thought Mass Effect and it's sequels were largely brilliant. Huge sections of ME3 were setting it up to be the biggest and best game in the series, possibly the most satisfying game I've ever played, what with the resolution of so many plot choices - and then the ending happened. I'm upset because I know you can do better. I'm upset because you succeeded in creating a diverse, vibrant universe with a wealth of rich plot threads and character motivations - and then threw them all by the wayside. I'm upset because I believed in you and then it all fell apart at the end - and the worst thing is that I'm worried that the furore about this is going to damage a company I love and respect deeply. I really hope it doesn't. But I can't just pretend the ending was acceptable or satisfactory, because it isn't. I'm sorry and I hope that we, both Bioware and fans, can come out of this positively in the end.

So, yeah. New recruit, holding the line.

I did pretty much the same thing. Heard the ending was bad, choked it up to melodrama, until I reached it. XD

We're glad to have to you aboard, and you're amongst friends now. So, grab a cupcake and hold the line!

[Ender99]

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

[MartinPenwald]

cogsandcurls wrote...

It's because I love your work that I'm so incredibly disappointed with this. I thought Mass Effect and it's sequels were largely brilliant. Huge sections of ME3 were setting it up to be the biggest and best game in the series, possibly the most satisfying game I've ever played, what with the resolution of so many plot choices - and then the ending happened. I'm upset because I know you can do better. I'm upset because you succeeded in creating a diverse, vibrant universe with a wealth of rich plot threads and character motivations - and then threw them all by the wayside. I'm upset because I believed in you and then it all fell apart at the end

Sounds pretty similar to what I felt when I beat the game.

Welcome to the team. Let's hold the line for as long as necessary.

[MeldarthX]

cogsandcurls wrote...

Hi guys,

I've come here to apologise. I only finished Mass Effect 3 this morning, but even before then I'd seen a furore about the endings - and dismissed it. "I bet it's a bittersweet ending and everyone's just put out because they wanted to get the unambigous happy ending" I thought. I thought it couldn't be that bad. Well, I finished it and although I thought the deus ex machina was ridiculous, the choices arbitrary and the outcome vague, I thought it was mostly alright.

I've been mulling it over for the last few hours and the more I think about it, the more irritated I get. Bittersweet I can handle, bleak I can handle. Deus ex machina I can sort of handle. But the lack of choice (even the choice to challenge the Catalyst's opinions about the Synthetics issue), the character assassination of Joker and Shepard in particular, the multiple plot holes, the lack of closure, that I can't handle. I've been writing down my problems with it (just to get it out of my system - I'm not intending to show it to anybody as I'm sure it's been talked about to death), and I'm up to number 25. Twenty five. I'm suprised at how much I dislike the ending. I'm not usually one who dislikes these things. I went into it wanting to like it. I don't gain anything by disliking it apart from a sense of immense dissatisfaction.

To Bioware: I'm sorry. It's because I love your work that I'm so incredibly disappointed with this. I thought Mass Effect and it's sequels were largely brilliant. Huge sections of ME3 were setting it up to be the biggest and best game in the series, possibly the most satisfying game I've ever played, what with the resolution of so many plot choices - and then the ending happened. I'm upset because I know you can do better. I'm upset because you succeeded in creating a diverse, vibrant universe with a wealth of rich plot threads and character motivations - and then threw them all by the wayside. I'm upset because I believed in you and then it all fell apart at the end - and the worst thing is that I'm worried that the furore about this is going to damage a company I love and respect deeply. I really hope it doesn't. But I can't just pretend the ending was acceptable or satisfactory, because it isn't. I'm sorry and I hope that we, both Bioware and fans, can come out of this positively in the end.

So, yeah. New recruit, holding the line.

*Hands you a Rifle; with drink in hand words starting to slur a little*  BAR.......there........careful Krogans will turn you into nuggets as they ran out maybe........Pizza coming........


just say ending again; must wash it from my mind.......*grabs the bottle of whiskey and starts to drink*



HOLd tHEEE LiNEEEEE 

[MeldarthX]

Ender99 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

Best part is - my first play through I completely missed her

[the_secondhammer]

I will sign off for today.
Hold the line. My duty of holding the line will start again tomorrow about 8 p.m EST.
Good Bye.

Modifié par the_secondhammer, 27 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Doomed Avatar]

Ender99 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

Maybe you are thinking in Diana Allers (aka Jar Jar).

[KaiserinKai]

Ender99 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

I think you are a bit mixed up.

Diana Allers is the IGN spy. Traynor is the lesbian LI...

[gabbie]

Any my point proven - on the ME3 app for Ipad - people reported getting messages from LI after they finished the game - it was all over BNS caused a lot of confusion - sec....

http://social.biowar...index/9901420/1

http://i1203.photobu...ics03/photo.png

As I said - seriously wasted and screwed up PR - if that has been on windows and android.......instead of 1% platform for their gamers - I don't we'd have this PR nightmare we are having now.......





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Ahh, thank you, I think understand now.  

Welcome to the line cogsandcurls!

[Darth Garrus]

There are lots of threads being created (not just in this forum) about BW and if they should apologize. I disagree. They could, of course. But I don't need an apology. They can very well stick to their guns about what happened with the ending, but what they should do is to give us the endings we deserved, as players and paying customers. No need to apologize. Just come out and say you have "the true endings", or "an optional patch with new endings" for those who felt letdown.

We don't need an apology. We need new endings!!!

P.S. - if they want to discuss the process in the future, I'm pretty sure it would add to the fan-company relation. They would come from this as a company who listens to their fans, and that did some unprecedented things to maintain their trust. It could very well be regarded as a breakthrough in game history.

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 27 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[MeldarthX]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

I think you are a bit mixed up.

Diana Allers is the IGN spy. Traynor is the lesbian LI...

*looks at his whiskey* you told me......damn you;  damn you to hell

[Annaleah]

Doomed Avatar wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

Maybe you are thinking in Diana Allers (aka Jar Jar).

Traynor was the one who replaced Kelly. I don't think she had anything to do with IGN. Diana was the one who stole Zaeed's cargo bay and had breast implants in her face... and yes she was a spy for IGN. I used a mod to steal her hair and change its color.

Modifié par Annaleah, 27 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[DJBare]

RatedRRachel wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted, but I  <3 Forbes even more after this...

http://www.forbes.co...ss-effect-fans/

I particularly like this quote

The New Yorker is right – games will never get the respect they deserve unless they can own up to being the kind of art that they are. But the mistake is in thinking that when they come out of the wash and emerge as art, they will look just like the other art forms we’ve grown accustomed to. This is something new, and the Mass Effect debate is about figuring out what it is.

I've been predicting to myself until now that the outcry to Mass Effect 3 endings is going to create huge changes in the gaming industry, whether they be good or bad remains to be seen, but I like to think it will be good, such as closer colaboration with the fans.

[Ender99]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

Sorry Traynor does not deserve a better ending

Nope, she's a spy for IGN.........

I think you are a bit mixed up.

Diana Allers is the IGN spy. Traynor is the lesbian LI...

You're right. My bad, I got them confused for a second there. In my defense, I kinda hated them both...XD

[Annaleah]

Ender99 wrote...

You're right. My bad, I got them confused for a second there. In my defense, I kinda hated them both...XD

Yeah I didn't like the fact that when she came up to my cabin my choices were "Take a shower" or "Take a shower" and she had to leave the damn door open and poor space hamster got all wet...

Modifié par Annaleah, 27 mars 2012 - 09:02 .

[Bubi7]

MeldarthX wrote...
Re: "Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital"
Sorry, am I missing something here? Is this what happened on the ipad app or what someone thinks should have happened?!!?

I am still slightly annoyed if companies announce a game, an useful app for their devices (may it be DVD recorders, washing machines or even cars) it just gets released on one platform. Not on three of the most used mobile operating systems, no, just on one single one. But that's not the topic in here....
That "message" makes actually sense if you read the posts about one of the newer "story leaks" (shepard becoming a husk for the catalyst, etc bla bla).
But if that "story" is true, the ME3 ending was one of the brighter moments.
So either way I am still not happy or statisfied.

[toffeetrooper]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

GIF-Banner, if someone likes. :>

me please

[detolicious.com]

to address this whole "it's art" point:

The thing is, art is something that radiates the artist, the person who creates that piece of art. If 100 people walk by and a single person is captivated by whatever that piece radiates, it's art. But videogames aren't trying to capture one person. A videogame should make sure that all 100 people that play that game should enjoy the service provided by that videogame. It's something of a service. It's not art. But I guess the way of providing service with that videogame is an artistic style, a form of art."

can you guess who said it? /discuss

[chmarr]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Earlier today MeldarthX wrote...

They failed on that exacution though - one of
the biggest reasons; Ipad app - that app should of been on all
platforms; not just Ipad - they had several things you could do on it.  Messages from LI after the game ended which hints your alive and in the hospital. 
Almost no one saw them though.  PR did what they could through Twitter -
but honestly that app could of been used for so much more PR - more
hints - it would of been able to somewhat hold back the tide.

If I read it correctly and this is true - and I have no reason to belive otherwise - then maybe Bioware has this thing planned from the beginning.

Later, while driving the car, I started thnking about how strange Bioware's behaviour is. I mean, what's the point in keeping their lips tight.

If things were clear they would say - no there will not be any ending DLC, or yes-expect something good soon.

As much as I believe Dr. Muzyka when he is says that Bioware is "genuinely surprised by fans reaction" I think they are actually surpised by scale of this reaction, not the reaction itself.

No one is able to convince me that it was over Bioware CEOs' heads to predict fans outcry.

That of course leads me into believing that this scheme is planned (although not so sophisticated) PR and marketing thing. It is often said that it does matter what people say about you, as long as they keep talking about you.

i started to think that the ending was a massive PR stunt after i saw so many videos, so many theroys and most  of al, the silence from bioware.

they knew we would kick up a stink BUT they never knew that it would hit international news and more,
they never knew it would then affect sales
they never knew it would affect EA stock
they never knew that EA AND AMAZON would offer full refunds

yep bioware did a PR stunt thats went so bad they cant bring themself to say "sorry we screwed up".

we DO KNOW the voice actors behind the male and female shepards have now been pulled in AHEAD of schedule for the DLC recordings due to the uproar this PR stunt has done.
i think bioware will announce a DLC which will answer EVERYTHING (as far as we know).

at PAX i think bioware will come clean in some shape or form and admit they made the ending the way it is to make cash.
IF they did admit it then EVERY other buisnessman, game developer even mainstream websites were all right in what they collectivly said "this is the worst buiseness stratigy EVER created" (well they all said it diffrent ways but they all mean the same thing)

but lets hope bioware gets some major heat at PAX, lets see them all sweat