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Darth Suetam wrote...

Hey, those fan testimonies are pretty nice. Pretty powerful stuff, if you ask me. Very nice initiative. If that doesn't scream "we love it so much that we are willing to do everything for better endings", I don't know what does.


I'm only halfway through the video and I'm already having Vietnam-style flashbacks to the night I finished.

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Darth Suetam wrote...

Hey, those fan testimonies are pretty nice. Pretty powerful stuff, if you ask me. Very nice initiative. If that doesn't scream "we love it so much that we are willing to do everything for better endings", I don't know what does.


Which fan testimonies? Did I miss something?

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cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hey, those fan testimonies are pretty nice. Pretty powerful stuff, if you ask me. Very nice initiative. If that doesn't scream "we love it so much that we are willing to do everything for better endings", I don't know what does.


I'm only halfway through the video and I'm already having Vietnam-style flashbacks to the night I finished.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line


I'm 20 minutes in and got to question #2, "one word to describe how the endings made you feel, and why."

Depression rising...

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 Last night, I watched the Return of the King extended edition; now that's how you do an ending. When Aragorn tells the hobbits that they bow to no one and the lords of men and elves all bow to the four hobbits, I teared up, just as I have every time I've watched the movie. Would the ending have been better if Frodo had sacrificed himself to destroy the ring? I really don't think so. It goes to show that an ending can be happy and powerful at the same time. It's not like LotR is without bitterness either, with Frodo finding himself permanently damaged by his journey, never being able to find solace in his old life again. And you get closure on most of the characters to boot; Aragorn ends up with Arwen and is crowned king of Gondor, Eomer becomes king of Rohan, Faramir ends up with Eowyn, the hobbits return to a happy Shire, and Gandalf, Frodo, Bilbo, and the elf lords return to the undying lands. The only ones you don't really get an ending for are Gimli and Legolas, but you've seen them grow as such close friends throughout the films that you can have true, enjoyable speculation on the adventures they might have had afterwards.

I can't imagine there was one person who walked out of the theater afterwards saying, "You know, I think it was too happy. Maybe Frodo should have died or something, and in doing so caused to the elves and dwarves to merge into one race even though we've just seen proof that they can co-exist as friends. And all the horses should have died. And Sam needed to teleport to an uncharted island. Yeah man, that'd be a thinker" (A little much, but you get my point). On the other hand, would LotR still have been the epic that it was regarded as if it was darker? Sure. If it was approached properly. But at the end of what was a reasonably dark story, we get that beautiful feeling of release when everything neatly comes together in the end. When I was playing the last hour or so of ME3, I was literally at the edge of the seat with my eyes unable to look away from my TV. I didn't really have any specific expectations for what would happen at the end. I believed that I would truly be getting one of sixteen different endings and when I reached my Shepard's conclusion I could have the release of an ending (sweet or bittersweet), be able to sit back in my chair with a smile on my face and say "That was awesome! Let's play it again to see what other endings await." Instead, I got a kick in the pants and an ending which instilled no emotion in me whatsoever. And here I am, almost three weeks later, yet to have any kind of release for all of my efforts.

BioWare, if you read this, I'd really appreciate some new endings that take place immediately after Anderson's death, which, in my opinion is the final line of where any mistakes in the game are forgivable.

Anyways, that's my vent for the day and things have been quiet so I just wanted to give everyone some reading material. I've got to go do some homework now. Goodnight all.

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You know I only ever romanced Garrus and Thane in ME2 (Always play FemShep), Jacob bored me to tears, and the game I carried over to ME3 was romancing Kaidan so I was happy with my ME3 romance, so from what I can guess what you guys are saying is that as long as you romanced a Squad mate you're safe?

Also @Johnnycide that was pretty funny :P

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cogsandcurls wrote...

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I feel so bad for anyone who romanced Jacob. That was just a slap to the face. At least with Thane, you know he loves. Shepard, but the game's kinda lacking. With Jacob, it's just... ouch :pinched:


Yeah, Jacob's was just brutal. Thane's treatment was unexpectedly bad, but at least everybody had the possibility of his death made plain to them in ME2 so that they had some kind of warning. Jacob was a good, loyal guy in ME2, and then suddenly he's a (fairly) unapologetic cheater? That's a real disservice to both those who were unfortunate enough to romance him and to the integrity of this character.


Wow, you're right, that is a huge break in Jacob's character. I hadn't thought of that before :unsure: That's truly terrible.

But, yeah, the main problem I have with how they treated Thane wasn't the fact that he died (which I thought was going to happen, without a doubt in ME3, not that the expectation kept the tears at bay :crying:), nor that you couldn't save him, but the lack of acknowledgement of it.

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infinitekilan wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hey, those fan testimonies are pretty nice. Pretty powerful stuff, if you ask me. Very nice initiative. If that doesn't scream "we love it so much that we are willing to do everything for better endings", I don't know what does.


I'm only halfway through the video and I'm already having Vietnam-style flashbacks to the night I finished.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line


I'm 20 minutes in and got to question #2, "one word to describe how the endings made you feel, and why."

Depression rising...


This is a good galvanizing point for Retake, I think.  Something to get people ready for PAX.  When we finish watching we should make an effort to disseminate this.

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Jetfire99 wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hey, those fan testimonies are pretty nice. Pretty powerful stuff, if you ask me. Very nice initiative. If that doesn't scream "we love it so much that we are willing to do everything for better endings", I don't know what does.


Which fan testimonies? Did I miss something?


This. Cyrrant posted it.

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>

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Darth Suetam wrote...

This. Cyrrant posted it.




Be ready, it's an hour long.  And about 20 minutes in you might find yourself reliving your ending feelings all over again.

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infinitekilan wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Hey, those fan testimonies are pretty nice. Pretty powerful stuff, if you ask me. Very nice initiative. If that doesn't scream "we love it so much that we are willing to do everything for better endings", I don't know what does.


I'm only halfway through the video and I'm already having Vietnam-style flashbacks to the night I finished.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line


I'm 20 minutes in and got to question #2, "one word to describe how the endings made you feel, and why."

Depression rising...

have the thread just for u http://social.biowar...ndex/10669892/1

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Little Miss Angel wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

Little Miss Angel wrote...

I feel so bad for anyone who romanced Jacob. That was just a slap to the face. At least with Thane, you know he loves. Shepard, but the game's kinda lacking. With Jacob, it's just... ouch :pinched:


Yeah, Jacob's was just brutal. Thane's treatment was unexpectedly bad, but at least everybody had the possibility of his death made plain to them in ME2 so that they had some kind of warning. Jacob was a good, loyal guy in ME2, and then suddenly he's a (fairly) unapologetic cheater? That's a real disservice to both those who were unfortunate enough to romance him and to the integrity of this character.


Wow, you're right, that is a huge break in Jacob's character. I hadn't thought of that before :unsure: That's truly terrible.

But, yeah, the main problem I have with how they treated Thane wasn't the fact that he died (which I thought was going to happen, without a doubt in ME3, not that the expectation kept the tears at bay :crying:), nor that you couldn't save him, but the lack of acknowledgement of it.


Yeah, I feel you there. I've said this over and over the last few days but god, is it really too much to ask for Shep to be able to hold his hand at the end? They held hands all this time in ME2, Shep can't even do that once simple thing for him while he's dying? :crying:

Also the bit straight after, where my bro Garrus decided we needed to have a long chat about how Ashley didn't die, and Shep got to express the fact that she missed Kaidan, or all people. After the love of her life had died literally ten minutes ago. :/ (I've heard that actually, sometimes Kai Leng will trash-talk Thane in one of the subsequent fights and Garrus gets a bit protective if he's in your squad, which is nice. That said I was listening out for it specifically in all the fights and never heard it.)

I've never romanced Jacob personally, but I really feel for those who have. I believe if you try to reject him in ME2 he'll straight-up tell Shep he loves her. Then: suprise, someone else is having his baby! And they're naming it after Shepard! 8D

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cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

This. Cyrrant posted it.




Be ready, it's an hour long.  And about 20 minutes in you might find yourself reliving your ending feelings all over again.


This passion and dedication makes me proud to be standing here on this line with all of you /salute

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Little Miss Angel wrote...

This passion and dedication makes me proud to be standing here on this line with all of you /salute


Likewise!

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cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

This. Cyrrant posted it.




Be ready, it's an hour long.  And about 20 minutes in you might find yourself reliving your ending feelings all over again.


I will watch it later on, at the moment I am watching DVD's :D

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Not sure if this has been posted yet:

http://www.mediumdif...nd-entitlement/

It's a pretty nice take on ME3, the Day One DLC and endings, and how it relates to people throwing around the word "entitlement", and how most gaming media sites are completely wrong.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 29 mars 2012 - 05:15 .


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Little Miss Angel wrote...

This passion and dedication makes me proud to be standing here on this line with all of you /salute


I want to find the girl who was talking right at 45:00.  She needs a hug and a reminder that we hold the line with her.

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cyrrant wrote...

Little Miss Angel wrote...

This passion and dedication makes me proud to be standing here on this line with all of you /salute


I want to find the girl who was talking right at 45:00.  She needs a hug and a reminder that we hold the line with her.

^definitely agree

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cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

This. Cyrrant posted it.




Be ready, it's an hour long.  And about 20 minutes in you might find yourself reliving your ending feelings all over again.



Wow, this is really powerful stuff. And, yes, I am now reliving the ending all over again. And it hurts, but I'm still glad I'm listening to it. To hear all these voices from all around the world echoing my own is as I said really powerful. It's also really revving up that initial anger towards Bioware on this as well. How....How could Mac and Casey not see this was such a massive betrayal to the fans? Sorry. Just all these emotions flooding back in. 

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OK, my friends. That's it for tonight. Have a good one.

Hold the line!

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Fuzrum77 wrote...

Wow, this is really powerful stuff. And, yes, I am now reliving the ending all over again. And it hurts, but I'm still glad I'm listening to it. To hear all these voices from all around the world echoing my own is as I said really powerful. It's also really revving up that initial anger towards Bioware on this as well. How....How could Mac and Casey not see this was such a betrayal to the fans. Sorry. Just all these emotions floodng back in. 


You know how there have been a few "giving up the fight" threads posted on the boards lately?  I'd been using that ending comparison video to keep myself engaged, and angry.  But this thing is better.  Spread it around!  I already posted it on the facebook page, but it can't hurt for someone to put it up there again a little later tonight.  Anyone with access to twitter should send it off to Chris and Jessica, maybe also the ME account.  Dunno if tonight is a good idea, but getting it there tomorrow while there at work?

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On the subject of romances and other game flaws (late as always) ...

Haven't played through many of the romances myself but I think you'll find plenty of people who agree that a lot of them got hit with a crap stick, and some definitely more than others, so you guys have my condolences.

I'm doing Kelly's right now and it's not much of a step up from the ME2 non-mance (see Shepard standing in front of her at each Citadel visit thinking "KISS ME DANG IT"). I mean really, if the Citadel arms are going to compact on her in the end and then blow up to seal the deaths, at least let them be happy for a little while. <_<


But this is stuff I can live with. I definitely loved the game the first time through before the ending went to hell, but the second time through I'm seeing things that aren't so great. Can't say whether or not they would have had more impact if the ending hadn't sucked, but flaws or no I really honestly would have loved to replay it at least a few times over.

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My butt is still very hurt from that ending.

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cyrrant wrote...

You know how there have been a few "giving up the fight" threads posted on the boards lately?  I'd been using that ending comparison video to keep myself engaged, and angry.  But this thing is better.  Spread it around!  I already posted it on the facebook page, but it can't hurt for someone to put it up there again a little later tonight.  Anyone with access to twitter should send it off to Chris and Jessica, maybe also the ME account.  Dunno if tonight is a good idea, but getting it there tomorrow while there at work?

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line


I haven't watched it yet, but I would be more than happy to tweet it to Chris and Jessica and the ME account.

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Fuzrum77 wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

This. Cyrrant posted it.




Be ready, it's an hour long.  And about 20 minutes in you might find yourself reliving your ending feelings all over again.



Wow, this is really powerful stuff. And, yes, I am now reliving the ending all over again. And it hurts, but I'm still glad I'm listening to it. To hear all these voices from all around the world echoing my own is as I said really powerful. It's also really revving up that initial anger towards Bioware on this as well. How....How could Mac and Casey not see this was such a massive betrayal to the fans? Sorry. Just all these emotions flooding back in. 


This video really makes you realize how impersonal the internet can be. Voice inflections are completely nonexistent, emotions can't be properly delivered, and after a while, a lot of people saying the same thing begins to come across as the same ol' humdrum; something it's not. Hearing the actual voices of these fans and how passionate they are really drives home how powerful this series really is for so many people.