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the_secondhammer wrote...
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The graduation will provide you a better job so you can spend a good life. ;)


already finished two courses at university :'D just doing it for the heck of it.. but i'm currently forced to do some digital photography excercise, even if i studied photography for two years.. and it interfers with all the other work i'm trying to get done right now :) 

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SkaldFish wrote...

Lwyn wrote...

Depression time! Here's Yahtzee missing the point by several parsecs.
http://www.escapistm...-Gets-An-Ending

I've definitely had it with some of these infantile, uninformed, pi$$-poor excuses for journalists who sit giggling behind their keyboards while hurling elementary-school-level insults. For them, reviews are just a tool for boosting their own fragile egos.

Good thing I've never met some of these gems. I would have mistaken them for what the last person forgot to flush and taken care of the job for them.

:pinched:

You made me laugh 'giggling behind their keyboards'.  And I also agree, but I try not to read them anymore for that very same reason, not researched at all.Image IPB

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-PG-Skyre wrote...

I agree with you fully, but "speculation" works when there is a limited amount of sources giving "hints" for people to speculate on. However, when there is a vast supply of sources giving hints (and in Jess's case, damn near down right telling us) that there is more to come, we have to accept that maybe there is more. It is less of a specuatory situation, and more of a viable and extremely possible situation.


Except we always knew there was more coming, DLC has been part of Bioware's post-release strategy since DA:O...more on that in a moment when I let myself muse a little. In fact not only do we know they were due to release a DLC we even know it was intended to be a MP DLC. (You remember the Muli-player...that would be the feature no one wanted but they shoved in anyway...then made sure you more or less HAD to play to get the 'best' ending...)

One thing I learnt from the DA2 situation a year ago is that Bioware can sometimes shoot itself in the foot, but implying that they will be making an 'important' statement that turns out to having nothing to do with the REAL issues in a game. Back then it was the serious need for a major patch, and in the middle of this they told everyone to wait for a statement...that turned out to be an armour DLC - not very helpful or well recieved when people were unable to finish the game due to the bugs in it.
So I'm not assuming that the 'more to come' line means anything but just 'more DLC on the way'. Nor am I assuming that the 'upbeat' comments about having 'something to talk about' at PAX means a new ending. I really wouldn't put it past Bioware to try and paper over the issue of the ending at PAX and reveal all the other shiney DLC they had planned...no matter how suicidal that would turn out to be for the company.

Last time it seems that Bioware was only able to salvage the situation by giving those with registered copies of DA2 a free copy of ME2 - and those, like myself, who already had ME2 got one of the weapons packs for free. I can't see that working this time around; We either have ME2 or have no interest in playing it right now, ME1 is an old game that many people would have problems getting to work, DA:O would highlight how BW should have done the endings and DA2 is, well, a bad game - or at least not something that is likely to win anyone over even if they decide to throw in all of that games DLC at the same time. 
About the only thing I can think of that *might* go down well would be to give the ME3 'From Ashes' DLC away to registered owners (and those who have it the Bioware points back so they can 'buy' another DLC in the future). If nothing else this would solve the controversy about day one DLC that has been forgotten at the moment as the ending is considered the more important problem...But even this would require a changed ending DLC to really interest people.

Coming back and musing on DLC for a moment, I can't understand why Bioware is quite so obsessed with it. They've been releasing DLC since ME1/DA:O, and as far as I can tell it has never sold as well as they thought or expected it too and has rarely been well recieved over all. Even good games - such as DA:O and ME2 - don't seem to have sold as much DLC as expected. And poor games, I'm looking at you DA2, effectively sell none at all. Yet, BW continues to go ahead with DLC anyway. If one sign of insanity is repeating the exact same action over and over in the hopes of a different outcome. Then Bioware as a company should be in a padded cell and wearing a straight-jacket for its obsession with DLC....[/End musing]

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In case you guys didn't see my earlier post I heard back from Chris Priestly. He said that they are trying to set up live streaming for the panel discussion but that they have a few technical hurdles to overcome first. They will let us know if they get it working.

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how are we holding up???

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DLC's are a good thing, though.
It's not an obsession but win-win for everyone.

Unless you sell a game that is only complete if you buy yet another part. Like the first-day dlc for ME3.

But others than that are welcomed.

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Phoenix NL wrote...

In case you guys didn't see my earlier post I heard back from Chris Priestly. He said that they are trying to set up live streaming for the panel discussion but that they have a few technical hurdles to overcome first. They will let us know if they get it working.



yeeeees. how awesome! :D 
that's brilliant news. well, for me at least. 

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Phoenix NL wrote...

In case you guys didn't see my earlier post I heard back from Chris Priestly. He said that they are trying to set up live streaming for the panel discussion but that they have a few technical hurdles to overcome first. They will let us know if they get it working.


Awesome. Thanks for the update - I hope they're able to get it working. It's going to kill me otherwise, sitting here hitting F5 every three seconds waiting for news. :)

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Got to go check some fence and collect some ticks.Hold the line,play nice and don't give in.

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@the_secondhammer id play some MP with you but i kind of gave up on it when I got kicked from a party last week because I had an assault rifle equipped instead of sniper rifle, ridiculous right? lol FierySlayer117 is my gamertag, can add me if you want, Ill probably end up playing some soon, either today or tomorrow

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Phoenix NL wrote...

In case you guys didn't see my earlier post I heard back from Chris Priestly. He said that they are trying to set up live streaming for the panel discussion but that they have a few technical hurdles to overcome first. They will let us know if they get it working.


I hope they get it working.
Can't be there so I'd like to be able to follow the panel via live stream at least.

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Major Swift wrote...

@the_secondhammer id play some MP with you but i kind of gave up on it when I got kicked from a party last week because I had an assault rifle equipped instead of sniper rifle, ridiculous right? lol FierySlayer117 is my gamertag, can add me if you want, Ill probably end up playing some soon, either today or tomorrow


I pretty much gave up on MP after people were kicking me off before I'd even gotten a chance to play - presumably because I don't have a high level character. A bit hard to level up if you aren't given the chance to play huh?

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well at least some dare to give an honest review.
http://daily-portal....ver-saw-coming/

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@silencemayday live streaming is good news for me too, even though PAX is like 6-7 hour drive from where I live, Im just unable to go, otherwise id be going with the PAX east platoon lol

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Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

@the_secondhammer id play some MP with you but i kind of gave up on it when I got kicked from a party last week because I had an assault rifle equipped instead of sniper rifle, ridiculous right? lol FierySlayer117 is my gamertag, can add me if you want, Ill probably end up playing some soon, either today or tomorrow


I pretty much gave up on MP after people were kicking me off before I'd even gotten a chance to play - presumably because I don't have a high level character. A bit hard to level up if you aren't given the chance to play huh?


I had the exact same problem. "Oh, your character is level one. Bye." I tried for about an hour before just giving up. I'm not touching it again. No point putting myself through the frustration.

Kind of the same way I feel about playing the SP at this point...

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Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

@the_secondhammer id play some MP with you but i kind of gave up on it when I got kicked from a party last week because I had an assault rifle equipped instead of sniper rifle, ridiculous right? lol FierySlayer117 is my gamertag, can add me if you want, Ill probably end up playing some soon, either today or tomorrow


I pretty much gave up on MP after people were kicking me off before I'd even gotten a chance to play - presumably because I don't have a high level character. A bit hard to level up if you aren't given the chance to play huh?


I had the exact same problem. "Oh, your character is level one. Bye." I tried for about an hour before just giving up. I'm not touching it again. No point putting myself through the frustration.

Kind of the same way I feel about playing the SP at this point...

Wow, I never was kicked out, and never heard any critique, even though I almost always ended up on the 4th place after the match. Once I played with 2 guys who had lvl1 chars, and other one was high level. I took 2nd place, yeah - felt like a boss :)

Btw, does anybody know, cause I didn't notice - is there a friendly fire in ME3 MP?

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Major Swift wrote...

@silencemayday live streaming is good news for me too, even though PAX is like 6-7 hour drive from where I live, Im just unable to go, otherwise id be going with the PAX east platoon lol

ah, be glad you're not going. who knows how it will go.. i for myself would make a terrible representative.. might just end up throwing things or getting wasted. 

but yes, live stream is awesome (if they get it working.) just have to get the timezone differences right :D 

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Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

@the_secondhammer id play some MP with you but i kind of gave up on it when I got kicked from a party last week because I had an assault rifle equipped instead of sniper rifle, ridiculous right? lol FierySlayer117 is my gamertag, can add me if you want, Ill probably end up playing some soon, either today or tomorrow


I pretty much gave up on MP after people were kicking me off before I'd even gotten a chance to play - presumably because I don't have a high level character. A bit hard to level up if you aren't given the chance to play huh?


I had the exact same problem. "Oh, your character is level one. Bye." I tried for about an hour before just giving up. I'm not touching it again. No point putting myself through the frustration.

Kind of the same way I feel about playing the SP at this point...


In my experience, people only kick low levels from gold/silver matches.  Gold, I can understand.  Silver, maybe (Silver reapers can be brutal on some maps).  But bronze?  I quit games that try to kick low level players at the bronze level.  Everyone needs to start somewhere.  Thankfully, I have only seen this dispcable behavior once or twice in my MP (and I play alot of MP) on XBOXLive.  Not sure if it is worse on other platforms.

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hopefully it will be livestreamed - I will get a chance to express my feelings at Comic Con this year though...

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Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

@the_secondhammer id play some MP with you but i kind of gave up on it when I got kicked from a party last week because I had an assault rifle equipped instead of sniper rifle, ridiculous right? lol FierySlayer117 is my gamertag, can add me if you want, Ill probably end up playing some soon, either today or tomorrow


I pretty much gave up on MP after people were kicking me off before I'd even gotten a chance to play - presumably because I don't have a high level character. A bit hard to level up if you aren't given the chance to play huh?


Guess I got really lucky then, when I tried my hand at MP (which was a first for me), nobody kicked me off, and I now have lvl 20 char, in some 4 or 5 sessions combined... Hate it when work interferes with my lifeImage IPB 

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Well if anyone wants to add me on Xbox my gamertag is Phoenix NLs Image IPB

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My Gamertag is The Fairhammer
Add me if you desire

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Zwei133 wrote...

In my experience, people only kick low levels from gold/silver matches.  Gold, I can understand.  Silver, maybe (Silver reapers can be brutal on some maps).  But bronze?  I quit games that try to kick low level players at the bronze level.  Everyone needs to start somewhere.  Thankfully, I have only seen this dispcable behavior once or twice in my MP (and I play alot of MP) on XBOXLive.  Not sure if it is worse on other platforms.


My N7-Level is around 260 by now and I've never seen anyone who tried to kick someone due to their low level from bronze matches.

The only players I kick are those who let the others wait for ages. And maybe those who after multiple games still don't understand that they have to stand within the exfiltration area by the time the countdown has reached zero.

I'd be happy to give those who have only had frustrating experiences in MP so far another chance. Just contact me if you wish.

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Phoenix NL wrote...

Well if anyone wants to add me on Xbox my gamertag is Phoenix NLs Image IPB


Would but can't... PC gamer here Image IPB (tag alomir)

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Cybermortis wrote...

Except we always knew there was more coming, DLC has been part of Bioware's post-release strategy since DA:O...more on that in a moment when I let myself muse a little. In fact not only do we know they were due to release a DLC we even know it was intended to be a MP DLC. (You remember the Muli-player...that would be the feature no one wanted but they shoved in anyway...then made sure you more or less HAD to play to get the 'best' ending...)

One thing I learnt from the DA2 situation a year ago is that Bioware can sometimes shoot itself in the foot, but implying that they will be making an 'important' statement that turns out to having nothing to do with the REAL issues in a game. Back then it was the serious need for a major patch, and in the middle of this they told everyone to wait for a statement...that turned out to be an armour DLC - not very helpful or well recieved when people were unable to finish the game due to the bugs in it.
So I'm not assuming that the 'more to come' line means anything but just 'more DLC on the way'. Nor am I assuming that the 'upbeat' comments about having 'something to talk about' at PAX means a new ending. I really wouldn't put it past Bioware to try and paper over the issue of the ending at PAX and reveal all the other shiney DLC they had planned...no matter how suicidal that would turn out to be for the company.

Last time it seems that Bioware was only able to salvage the situation by giving those with registered copies of DA2 a free copy of ME2 - and those, like myself, who already had ME2 got one of the weapons packs for free. I can't see that working this time around; We either have ME2 or have no interest in playing it right now, ME1 is an old game that many people would have problems getting to work, DA:O would highlight how BW should have done the endings and DA2 is, well, a bad game - or at least not something that is likely to win anyone over even if they decide to throw in all of that games DLC at the same time. 
About the only thing I can think of that *might* go down well would be to give the ME3 'From Ashes' DLC away to registered owners (and those who have it the Bioware points back so they can 'buy' another DLC in the future). If nothing else this would solve the controversy about day one DLC that has been forgotten at the moment as the ending is considered the more important problem...But even this would require a changed ending DLC to really interest people.

Coming back and musing on DLC for a moment, I can't understand why Bioware is quite so obsessed with it. They've been releasing DLC since ME1/DA:O, and as far as I can tell it has never sold as well as they thought or expected it too and has rarely been well recieved over all. Even good games - such as DA:O and ME2 - don't seem to have sold as much DLC as expected. And poor games, I'm looking at you DA2, effectively sell none at all. Yet, BW continues to go ahead with DLC anyway. If one sign of insanity is repeating the exact same action over and over in the hopes of a different outcome. Then Bioware as a company should be in a padded cell and wearing a straight-jacket for its obsession with DLC....[/End musing]


now with what you said i agree with in a lot of ways but you hit on something which is quite intresting and i sense you dont know what i'm talking about so i will try and explane best i can.

now DA:O did sell quite well as did the dlc but as the game went on the dlc became,,,,stale and in some cases stupid.

ME1 again sold quite well but the DLC sold medium at best, it dident do as good as they wanted and ended up giving some it away with new copies of the game

DA2 well here is where it gets a bit argumentative, DA2 actually did really well in sales but the DLC was a whole other story, the DLC sold horrible as you said and i agree on this bit.

bioware keeps telling people to wait for the big announcment on the issues of the game and they would be releasing DLC to fix the problems, so we wait and wait and wait then the HUGE announcment comes along which says "here is some armour hope this helps you in the game" no information about bug fixes or anything. THAT is a slap in the face where bioware ignored there consumer base but back then we did not take a stand , we just stood there shouting and then we stopped and accepted it.

ME2 did amazing in the stores it did REALLY good BUT bioware included a TON of free dlc when you registered the game, then the paid dlc came along and it was .... well chit at best, but give bioware there due's, the shadowbroker and arrival DLC made me beleve in them again as it was really cool and tied in perfectly with the story.

fast forward to the presant time.

Mass Effect 3, very little hype untill 2 weeks before launch and the hype machine went into overdrive.
the staff blurting out comments that were in the game, blurting out promises they said we can do in game, everything we did in previous games would change the way the game played, change the way the game ended and so on.

what happend, EVERYTHING they promises was NOT in the game, even the founders made the same promises to which all turned out to be lies.

well after the previous screw ups with DA2, ME1 and some ****ups in ME2 we could not stay a rabble of misguided players / gamers / fans / comsumers, we decided enough was enough and thats when WE ALL changed tactics, we actually got organised, did things they never expected, we started a civil yet whispering campagn, a whisper that was heard around the world.

now during the time this started everyone, including myself went on a hunt, we hunted down EVERY peice of evidence to what was promised, we even found the origonal script for the game which showed the real endings and missing content from the version we have, and i think somewhere in the 61,000 posts in this thread someone actually found a photo of BW office with the ME3 oard in the background with certain parts circled as "remove for later release".

to get there DLC sales up bioware AND ea are playing a dangerous game, they removed endings, they removed critical missions, they removed critical content which they are selling as DLC.

because of the way the game was shipped and with the outrage over the ending we have virtually heard nothing from either BW or EA except "keep your me3 save games we have big things coming" or in some cases we have there own staff saying "always bet on RED *hint hint*",

but when we started out petition bioware THOUGHT they could control us ....... UNTILL mainstream news and business outlets caught wind, and this is when bioware relised they had lost control.
Q the blog post from the founder who insulted us and claiming "artistic integrity", it was THAT comment which has put bioware on a runaway train with no brakes and they are now in a panic.

but throughout this ENTIRE operation we have remained civil, we even sent them cupcakes.

and NOW we are hearing whispers that has partly been comfirmed that CERTAIN theroys have hit the nail right on the head and which that will be the DLC.

now right now the DLC schedule WAS supposed to have been  multiplayer DLC then alternative apperance DLC then some gameplay DLC, given what has happend and from interviews last week with voice actors some of them confirming they were called in weeks early goes to show that bioware are indeed panicing.

the relese schedule must have been revised and fast, certain DLC will be released first to quell us and to make sense of the utter contentious screw up they made.

bioware and ea took a hard gamble and so far it has failed and trust in both EA and Bioware has fallen a lot, so much that fans have started to return there collecters items and in some cases went to the bioware offices and returned them in person.

we have been technicly "bent over a table and screwed hard"

some of that might not make sense and some of it will but you get the jist of what i am saying.