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[-Kysi-]

Phoenix NL wrote...

He makes a compelling argument in the video but even if it is all in Shepard's head I still don't get why Joker would be leaving in the Normandy. But to be fair I can see it making more sense in the sense of the Indoc theory than what we're stuck with now. I don't buy the whole thing to be honest but who knows!

Yep,...those scenes are what bothers me about the theory. Whoever made that video tried to explain them but that's the only part I don't buy.
Like I said, still not in favor of the theory but after watching this I might accept a possible reveal of something like this from BioWare. Depends on how they handle it.

[silencemayday]

Geda173 wrote...

silencemayday wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

I just have to believe that they're up to something. This whole situation seems way too out of character for the ME team and with all the hints they keep dropping........ maybe wishful thinking but I think there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than we realize.

that'd be nice  
i just feel like they have no f* clue on how to react to this whole situation :'D

How should they? How would you react? I mean, they have to choose a path where they can somewhat satisfy the disappointed fans and keep their integrity. At least some of it.

exactly, i wouldn't have a clue on how to react. (even if it might have been inevitable, i can't believe how they thought that the ending might be okay or acceptable- but okay, i guess you get a narrow sight after working on something too long.) that's why i keep thinking that they just have no clue on how to react and try to steer us off with working in some random clues and insignificant stuff. 

[Victia]

Elanor1 wrote...

-Kysi- wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This just posted s019.radikal.ru/i616/1203/fd/5c214a1b5df9.jpg in this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10750224/53

I still have to laugh at the vagueness.

*snip*

*snip*

Oh dear - does not sound good!

[Darth Garrus]

DJBare wrote...

TamiBx wrote...
Everytime someone sends a tweet to MassEffect account and they say they are loving the game, I can't help but think "poor person; wait until you get to the ending..."

Some of these are fans of "Bioware" not the game, I've seen many posts where it "seems" fans feel they have a "duty" to Bioware, but I'd ask those fans, if they feel they have a duty to Bioware, should that not involve truthful feedback so the company knows it's on the right track?

I noticed those guys too. And frankly, I can't understand it. As I can't understand when BW guys appear and say "our fans". It becomes a cult of personalities. You can see its effects on the BW authorized "The Final Hours". Why would I be interested in seeing a person from BW gardening, flying, driving, or around his office? I like their games! And I like the company as a game developer. But this cult of personality may have done some harm as in inflating some egos to the point that some people thought that they could just throw anything that "their fans" would applaude.

[Mythandariel]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

-Kysi- wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This just posted s019.radikal.ru/i616/1203/fd/5c214a1b5df9.jpg in this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10750224/53

I still have to laugh at the vagueness.

Am I the only one who gets a veeeeery bad feeling after seeing this?

Personally, I don't think that the ending can be explained. I don't even want it to be explained...

I have bad feeling about this too. Ech... It's exhausting. This uncertainty and waiting...

See, I'm sticking with my theory that Bioware have a plan and that we just haven't been enlightened yet! But yes very exhausting in the meantime.

Same here. It could have been a PR stunt that went horribly sidways on them. They probably didn't expect the reaction that they got. But then again, they're sly little buggers. They might have expected it and are rolling behind closed doors and sitting on the real endings as a lesson to the spoilers.

Seriously though... those that spoiled the endings need to be publicly made to appologize. Seriously.

[Phoenix NL]

Ok goodnight all, soldier on. Will be back with brownies and coffee tomorrow morning!

[DJBare]

Phoenix NL wrote...
He makes a compelling argument in the video but even if it is all in Shepard's head I still don't get why Joker would be leaving in the Normandy. But to be fair I can see it making more sense in the sense of the Indoc theory than what we're stuck with now. I don't buy the whole thing to be honest but who knows!

If you read Retribution, indoctrinations let's you see what you want to see, it gives positives to thought's and feelings making the victim feel like they are doing the right thing, Grayson when lucid was attempting to avoid Kahlee so that he would not put her in danger, but the reapers manipulated his thoughts very subtly so that in the end Grayson believed that going to Kahlee was the right thing to do.

[Ohpus]

RatedRRachel wrote...
There were little nitpicky things that I didn't like. And they did do away with a lot of elements from the first two games (after every main mission cutscene dialogue with squad, bypassing/hacking puzzles, etc...). But honestly, if the ending was amazing, I could have dealt with them. The emotion throughout the whole game was so well done... until they went ahead and introduced a character in the last five minutes of the game.

To be fair to Bioware. The hacking mini-games were only fun the first couple times through. After that....

Fortunately some companies, like Big Huge, do a happy medium and let you do the mini game or not. The Dispelling mini-game can be bypasses by just doing a percentage change to crack it. makes the things later in the game (after 160 hours) easier to bear.

[Phoenix NL]

Mythandariel wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

-Kysi- wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This just posted s019.radikal.ru/i616/1203/fd/5c214a1b5df9.jpg in this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10750224/53

I still have to laugh at the vagueness.

Am I the only one who gets a veeeeery bad feeling after seeing this?

Personally, I don't think that the ending can be explained. I don't even want it to be explained...

I have bad feeling about this too. Ech... It's exhausting. This uncertainty and waiting...

See, I'm sticking with my theory that Bioware have a plan and that we just haven't been enlightened yet! But yes very exhausting in the meantime.

Same here. It could have been a PR stunt that went horribly sidways on them. They probably didn't expect the reaction that they got. But then again, they're sly little buggers. They might have expected it and are rolling behind closed doors and sitting on the real endings as a lesson to the spoilers.

Seriously though... those that spoiled the endings need to be publicly made to appologize. Seriously.

Last post tonight I swear! They could have always had a plan for the complete ending but gave us this to see what the reaction would be to the game as a whole and what the consensus was for how the fans wanted it to be left. This way they have the story itself set but can tweak bits and pieces dependent on fan feedback?

[Phoenix NL]

DJBare wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
He makes a compelling argument in the video but even if it is all in Shepard's head I still don't get why Joker would be leaving in the Normandy. But to be fair I can see it making more sense in the sense of the Indoc theory than what we're stuck with now. I don't buy the whole thing to be honest but who knows!

If you read Retribution, indoctrinations let's you see what you want to see, it gives positives to thought's and feelings making the victim feel like they are doing the right thing, Grayson when lucid was attempting to avoid Kahlee so that he would not put her in danger, but the reapers manipulated his thoughts very subtly so that in the end Grayson believed that going to Kahlee was the right thing to do.

See I never read the books - thank you for the enlightenment!

[Phoenix NL]

Ok I'm definitely off now, my husband is giving me the evil eye! Bye all

[TSC_1]

I'm sorry, I just can't believe in conspiracy theories. There's no reason to think Bioware is sitting on the "real" endings. It makes no sense.

[ld1449]

To be honest, that tweet "Endings don't make sense...yet" leaves me with mixed feelings.

That's confirmation that they're working on SOMETHING whether that something will be good or bad has yet to be seen so it leaves me tenuously hopeful.

Then I immagine "What if they just plan to "flesh out" the ending?" Like add some cutscenes some more explanation ect. ect. That would probably just ****** me off so it leaves me feeling angry/wary.

And then of course it could also mean that these "endings" are just a 'root' to a tree of alternative endings that change based on the three choices so I'm back to feeling optimistic.



This wait for Pax is irritating

[Mythandariel]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Last post tonight I swear! They could have always had a plan for the complete ending but gave us this to see what the reaction would be to the game as a whole and what the consensus was for how the fans wanted it to be left. This way they have the story itself set but can tweak bits and pieces dependent on fan feedback?

Now that would truly be devious and epic. Mosly devious.

[RatedRRachel]

Ohpus wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...
There were little nitpicky things that I didn't like. And they did do away with a lot of elements from the first two games (after every main mission cutscene dialogue with squad, bypassing/hacking puzzles, etc...). But honestly, if the ending was amazing, I could have dealt with them. The emotion throughout the whole game was so well done... until they went ahead and introduced a character in the last five minutes of the game.

To be fair to Bioware. The hacking mini-games were only fun the first couple times through. After that....

Fortunately some companies, like Big Huge, do a happy medium and let you do the mini game or not. The Dispelling mini-game can be bypasses by just doing a percentage change to crack it. makes the things later in the game (after 160 hours) easier to bear.

I understand that the minigame puzzles got a little tiresome, but you were bypassing doors or hacking terminals. There should be a little more than hit the same button you use to open a regular door or terminal.  In ME3, opening a door and bypassing a door are exactly the same except that you have to wait five seconds instead of one. It is just a small nitpick that honestly I didn't mind all that much. It was just something that they took away that made it more like a generic shooter. 

[silencemayday]

ld1449 wrote...

To be honest, that tweet "Endings don't make sense...yet" leaves me with mixed feelings.

That's confirmation that they're working on SOMETHING whether that something will be good or bad has yet to be seen so it leaves me tenuously hopeful.

Then I immagine "What if they just plan to "flesh out" the ending?" Like add some cutscenes some more explanation ect. ect. That would probably just ****** me off so it leaves me feeling angry/wary.

And then of course it could also mean that these "endings" are just a 'root' to a tree of alternative endings that change based on the three choices so I'm back to feeling optimistic.



This wait for Pax is irritating

yup, pretty much. 

[Bionic Weapon]

Afternoon guys/ gals,Happy Thursday!

Came to see what yall are up too, so what's been up as of late?

[Darth_Acheron47]

Mythandariel wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Last post tonight I swear! They could have always had a plan for the complete ending but gave us this to see what the reaction would be to the game as a whole and what the consensus was for how the fans wanted it to be left. This way they have the story itself set but can tweak bits and pieces dependent on fan feedback?

Now that would truly be devious and epic. Mosly devious.

I agree. If that's the case, it's probably one of those things that might have sounded like a good idea at the time, and maybe the level of backlash just caught them off-guard. I think if there was already a for-sure "plan" in place, like the Indoc Theory, it would have been revealed by now. It just seems like they're waiting an awfully long time.

On a side-note, does anyone else find it odd that the US release date of the game was 3/6 and PAX is on 4/6? Or am I drinking the conspiracy kool-aid again?

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[Rdubs]

Elanor1 wrote...

-Kysi- wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This just posted s019.radikal.ru/i616/1203/fd/5c214a1b5df9.jpg in this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10750224/53

I still have to laugh at the vagueness.

Am I the only one who gets a veeeeery bad feeling after seeing this?

Personally, I don't think that the ending can be explained. I don't even want it to be explained...

I have bad feeling about this too. Ech... It's exhausting. This uncertainty and waiting...

Yeah it's called "We tried to be dramatic and go for maximum emotional pull but we forgot about the plot holes it created, so now we're working feverishly to try and plug them.  SETH GREEN GET YOUR ASS BACK IN THE RECORDING STUDIO QUICK, YOU GOTTA COME GIVE US SOME VOICE TO PICK UP THESE SQUADDIES!!!!

Trust me, the next formal word you will hear related to the endings is going to be a reiteration of how the new content will "clarify" the endings, which is code for fill in the plot holes they didn't notice until fans did.  Admitting the endings sucked balls will never happen due to this thing in management called "hubris."

[Darth Garrus]

I agree with some fears described here. As I said before, I don't think an "explanation" is acceptable. For me, at least, it's like calling us stupid: "you didn't understand our great endings, and now we are gonna explain so you can be enlightened".

But to tell the truth, I think BW is preparing something bigger, like true endings in the form of a big DLC. I may be fooling myself with hope, but I'm still confident.

[Mythandariel]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

Mythandariel wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Last post tonight I swear! They could have always had a plan for the complete ending but gave us this to see what the reaction would be to the game as a whole and what the consensus was for how the fans wanted it to be left. This way they have the story itself set but can tweak bits and pieces dependent on fan feedback?

Now that would truly be devious and epic. Mosly devious.

I agree. If that's the case, it's probably one of those things that might have sounded like a good idea at the time, and maybe the level of backlash just caught them off-guard. I think if there was already a for-sure "plan" in place, like the Indoc Theory, it would have been revealed by now. It just seems like they're waiting an awfully long time.

On a side-note, does anyone else find it odd that the US release date of the game was 3/6 and PAX is on 4/6? Or am I drinking the conspiracy kool-aid again?

Who knows. One full month to get every little bit of feedback and suggestion to tweak every single possible ending with every single possible descision made in the games.

Who knows...

[TSC_1]

Rdubs wrote...

Trust me, the next formal word you will hear related to the endings is going to be a reiteration of how the new content will "clarify" the endings, which is code for fill in the plot holes they didn't notice until fans did.  Admitting the endings sucked balls will never happen due to this thing in management called "hubris."

I hope not. It would mean the end of Bioware.

[Denethar]

Elanor1 wrote...

-Kysi- wrote...

DJBare wrote...

This just posted s019.radikal.ru/i616/1203/fd/5c214a1b5df9.jpg in this thread social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10750224/53

I still have to laugh at the vagueness.

Am I the only one who gets a veeeeery bad feeling after seeing this?

Personally, I don't think that the ending can be explained. I don't even want it to be explained...

I have bad feeling about this too. Ech... It's exhausting. This uncertainty and waiting...

My first thought was "Funny, one would think it would make sense to me since I've finished the damn game."