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[RiouHotaru]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

 This makes so very little sense. After the triumphant endings of the first two games, we're treated to endings that damn the galaxy and the player character in every scenario. If the relays are destroyed no matter what, small colonies and razed worlds will be cut off from most outside help, leaving them strapped for resources and likely dying in huge numbers from starvation. It's Rakhana on a galactic scale. Sure, FTL will still be around, but it requires eezo, which will likely be in short supply. And while our Normandy crew may survive and colonize, you've got to wonder if there's dextro food available, or if only Liara and the humans managed to survive. Not very cheery.

This is a fine ending, and appropriate for a galaxy-wide war against such powerful beings. However, I don't understand it being the only ending. I don't think anyone asking for a happy ending is looking for rainbows and sunshine--it's a war, after all, and casualties are expected. Most endings resulting in death is a-okay by me. But what's the point of having a 'perfect', difficult to achieve ending and separating Shepard from the characters we've come to love over the past six years? It's horribly jarring in comparison to the other two installments, and makes me feel the ending is a bit forced. I'd be much happier with just a couple of adjustments:

• Have the relays survive the Control ending. Shepard has to choose between saving the relays and keeping the reapers around, or blowing them both to hell. It allows players a sense of--you guessed it--control, and Renegade Shepard to actually gain power and get a decent ending.
• Let Shepard reunite with someone in the 'best' ending. Whether it's the LI, a good friend, or even Anderson, it's at least a sliver of happiness, and allows for more closure than we seem to currently have.

Edit: Formatting, how do you work?

This.  Both the previous games allowed for dramatic but triumphant and victorious endings.  Suddenly we're being blasted with endings that not only are completely UNFITTING of Bioware's consistent writing style, but doesn't at all fit with Gamestar's review of "a satisfying ending that wraps up the trilogy and leaves no cliffhangers or plot threads unresolved."

[Warhawk137]

xtorma wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I would love if this information is wrong. But I saw a lot of evidence that it wasn't, and a lot of disappointed people. The only way to rectify it, if it is true, is to show the fanbase's opposition to it, and hopes for more options, i.e. from DLC. Bethesda's fans did it to Bethesda, and look what they got.

And let's not forget the group of people who convinced BW to let us romance a gypsy with chicken feet and a cat/eagle/crab guy.

all a dev has to do is pop in and say, this is all bullcrap. problem solved

Problem with denying false rumors is that it's essentially a confirmation of the ones you don't deny.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before the release, you need a policy of shutting up and letting things run their course.  Otherwise people would just start throwing things against the wall and seeing if they stick (i.e., if they're not denied).

And, of course, the other issue is if a rumor is partly true, but partly false, and in specific ways.  It'd then be hard to address the rumor in any kind of broad way without going into detail, at which point you're giving away too much information as it is.  For all we know, half of this could be legit and half could be false.  In that case, nobody would expect Bioware to show up and point out which particular bits are true.

Modifié par Warhawk137, 28 février 2012 - 06:55 .

[SpiderFan1217]

I don't see why we couldn't just make new EZ stuff. It'd take a minute, but we could do it. We killed the Reapers. WE'RE BOSSES!!

[DarkSeraphym]

Tancho wrote...

You know, after reading all of this, I've concluded that I'm being trolled. I know it may sound like denial and I understand that rage is the popular opinion right now, but given every choice that is building into this game, I cannot logically believe that there are only six endings and they are all pretty much the same friggin thing. Do you honestly believe that anyone reviewing the game would conclude that the ending was fitting when our 'current information' completely disgraces all talk of honoring all variables? I mean, completely disregarding the 'crew ends up on a different planet' thing, our current information does not sound like it ends an epic tale at all - it sounds like trolling.

And, for all of you who keep throwing 'the guy who said it predicted the prothean's name! They shut down the thread that had this information!' Just stoooooooop. First, who wouldn't troll one of the biggest game releases in vg history? Second, all we have is a typed summary. Zero evidence. It's his word that he data mined the game. It's his word that all that happened. Sure, he could be telling the truth, but we have no reason to start a flame war based on something we haven't even played. Which brings me to three - just because they shut down the thread does not mean it's true. There are some viciously nasty responses to these rumors and if I were moderating a forum, I'd shut it down too.

The only way that I'm going to change my mind is via hardcore evidence. I need footage or high res pics from the strategy guide that firmly states 'these are the only possible outcomes'. From what I understand, the guide only 'seems to support his testimony' and the leaked script was apparently very ambiguous regarding the endings. So, until we have hardcore evidence, I'm logically inclined to think that these rumors do not reflect the full story (or the story at all) and that the game can still deliver what we're looking for. I won't know until someone provides evidence or until I play it myself.

I'd encourage others to take the same stance and enjoy the week leading up to the release.

You're right. We shouldn't be starting a flame war on something we've only read. We also have to take any information handed out by anyone, included the developers themselves, with a certain amount of skepticism if it involves something we haven't experienced ourselves. However, I just want to point out that the reason all of this has blown up isn't because he "revealed the Prothean's name". It's more than that. This particular individual claims to be a tester for the game. He described the way in with the Galaxy at War system works, all of the classes and their special abilities, what we could expect in the demo, a description of how multiplayer works, a description of Samantha Traynor's appearance, and a picture of Diana Allers (which obviously came from a test build if you look at it) all before any of it had been revealed. People believe what he has to say because he has been right about every other thing he has said to date. He might be wrong about it, I'm just putting into perspective why people are accepting what he has to say.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 28 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[magnuskn]

cerberus1701 wrote...
My contention is simply that, for all their venting, the fact that they keep showing up means that they're not so disappointed after all.

Look, I was disappointed in DA2. But BioWare had earned my trust through a decade of bringing out good games.

And I am disappointed in SWTOR. But, hey, it's an MMO, they get patched better after a while and storytelling of course is limited by the genre.

But this is now the third title in a row where things look screwed up. And after two excellent games which built up the universe and also Shepard and his crew, these endings feel just horrible.

As I said, trust is difficult to build, but easy to lose. And regaining it is so much harder after that.

[RiouHotaru]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Tancho wrote...

You know, after reading all of this, I've concluded that I'm being trolled. I know it may sound like denial and I understand that rage is the popular opinion right now, but given every choice that is building into this game, I cannot logically believe that there are only six endings and they are all pretty much the same friggin thing. Do you honestly believe that anyone reviewing the game would conclude that the ending was fitting when our 'current information' completely disgraces all talk of honoring all variables? I mean, completely disregarding the 'crew ends up on a different planet' thing, our current information does not sound like it ends an epic tale at all - it sounds like trolling.

And, for all of you who keep throwing 'the guy who said it predicted the prothean's name! They shut down the thread that had this information!' Just stoooooooop. First, who wouldn't troll one of the biggest game releases in vg history? Second, all we have is a typed summary. Zero evidence. It's his word that he data mined the game. It's his word that all that happened. Sure, he could be telling the truth, but we have no reason to start a flame war based on something we haven't even played. Which brings me to three - just because they shut down the thread does not mean it's true. There are some viciously nasty responses to these rumors and if I were moderating a forum, I'd shut it down too.

The only way that I'm going to change my mind is via hardcore evidence. I need footage or high res pics from the strategy guide that firmly states 'these are the only possible outcomes'. From what I understand, the guide only 'seems to support his testimony' and the leaked script was apparently very ambiguous regarding the endings. So, until we have hardcore evidence, I'm logically inclined to think that these rumors do not reflect the full story (or the story at all) and that the game can still deliver what we're looking for. I won't know until someone provides evidence or until I play it myself.

I'd encourage others to take the same stance and enjoy the week leading up to the release.

You're right. We shouldn't be starting a flame war on something we've only read. We also have to take any information handed out by anyone, included the developers themselves, with a certain amount of skepticism if it involves something we haven't experienced ourselves. However, I just want to point out that the reason all of this has blown up isn't because he "revealed the Prothean's name". It's more than that. This particular individual claims to be a tester for the game. He described the way in with the Galaxy at War system works, all of the classes and their special abilities, what we could expect in the demo, a description of how multiplayer works, a description of Samantha Traynor's appearance, and a picture of Diana Allers (which obviously came from a test build if you look at it) before her appearance had been revealed. People believe what he has to say because he has been right about every other thing he has said to date. He might be wrong about it, I'm just putting into perspective why people are accepting what he has to say.

Except if he was a tester he'd be under an NDA.  Hell, ANYONE working on a video game goes under a strict NDA.

To spoil that is to break the NDA and face serious legal ramifications.

[xtorma]

Warhawk137 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I would love if this information is wrong. But I saw a lot of evidence that it wasn't, and a lot of disappointed people. The only way to rectify it, if it is true, is to show the fanbase's opposition to it, and hopes for more options, i.e. from DLC. Bethesda's fans did it to Bethesda, and look what they got.

And let's not forget the group of people who convinced BW to let us romance a gypsy with chicken feet and a cat/eagle/crab guy.

all a dev has to do is pop in and say, this is all bullcrap. problem solved

Problem with denying false rumors is that it's essentially a confirmation of the ones you don't deny.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before the release, you need a policy of shutting up and letting things run their course.  Otherwise people would just start throwing things against the wall and seeing if they stick (i.e., if they're not denied).

And, of course, the other issue is if a rumor is partly true, but partly false, and in specific ways.  It'd then be hard to address the rumor in any kind of broad way without going into detail, at which point you're giving away too much information as it is.  For all we know, half of this could be legit and half could be false.  In that case, nobody would expect Bioware to show up and point out which particular bits are true.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before release, you don't give out copies of the game.....before release.

[MouseNo4]

Bioware please start in a DLC to alter or change the ending to a happier one.

[MouseNo4]

I have been under NDA in the past. And you can be damned sure i broke it at every opportunity.

[RiouHotaru]

xtorma wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I would love if this information is wrong. But I saw a lot of evidence that it wasn't, and a lot of disappointed people. The only way to rectify it, if it is true, is to show the fanbase's opposition to it, and hopes for more options, i.e. from DLC. Bethesda's fans did it to Bethesda, and look what they got.

And let's not forget the group of people who convinced BW to let us romance a gypsy with chicken feet and a cat/eagle/crab guy.

all a dev has to do is pop in and say, this is all bullcrap. problem solved

Problem with denying false rumors is that it's essentially a confirmation of the ones you don't deny.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before the release, you need a policy of shutting up and letting things run their course.  Otherwise people would just start throwing things against the wall and seeing if they stick (i.e., if they're not denied).

And, of course, the other issue is if a rumor is partly true, but partly false, and in specific ways.  It'd then be hard to address the rumor in any kind of broad way without going into detail, at which point you're giving away too much information as it is.  For all we know, half of this could be legit and half could be false.  In that case, nobody would expect Bioware to show up and point out which particular bits are true.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before release, you don't give out copies of the game.....before release.

Or if you give out copies, you make the recipients aware of the fact they're legally bound not to say anything.

[yoshibb]

I would pay for a nice ending. Just one ending where Shepard lands with the normandy crew on the planet. Just a 5 second animation. I can make up the rest afterwards.

[Warhawk137]

xtorma wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I would love if this information is wrong. But I saw a lot of evidence that it wasn't, and a lot of disappointed people. The only way to rectify it, if it is true, is to show the fanbase's opposition to it, and hopes for more options, i.e. from DLC. Bethesda's fans did it to Bethesda, and look what they got.

And let's not forget the group of people who convinced BW to let us romance a gypsy with chicken feet and a cat/eagle/crab guy.

all a dev has to do is pop in and say, this is all bullcrap. problem solved

Problem with denying false rumors is that it's essentially a confirmation of the ones you don't deny.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before the release, you need a policy of shutting up and letting things run their course.  Otherwise people would just start throwing things against the wall and seeing if they stick (i.e., if they're not denied).

And, of course, the other issue is if a rumor is partly true, but partly false, and in specific ways.  It'd then be hard to address the rumor in any kind of broad way without going into detail, at which point you're giving away too much information as it is.  For all we know, half of this could be legit and half could be false.  In that case, nobody would expect Bioware to show up and point out which particular bits are true.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before release, you don't give out copies of the game.....before release.

Which is a fair point, but that doesn't have too much bearing on their PR policy.

[DarkSeraphym]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Except if he was a tester he'd be under an NDA.  Hell, ANYONE working on a video game goes under a strict NDA.

To spoil that is to break the NDA and face serious legal ramifications.

That is completely true. However, I'm just pointing out that this guy released information before any of it had been confirmed yet and all of it was later confirmed by another source. I don't know about you, but if someone seems to be consistently right about information that has not yet been revealed, it's logical to assume they are likely an inside source. Your only other possible conclusions would be that they have some kind of supernatural quality to them or that they just guessed and happened to be right everytime. Both of which are rather unlikely.

Besides, I think it is important to keep in mind that NDA is not designed to end all possibility of disclosure. It is merely a deterrent.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 28 février 2012 - 07:03 .

[DiegoProgMetal]

There is one thing that really, I mean REALLY doesn't add up: according to the guys who told us about the ending, the only ending where Shepard won't die will be the option to destroy all reaper tech (reapers and mass relays). But Shepard IS REAPER TECH! Lazarus Project, rings a bell on anyone? So destroying the reapers and mass relays, wouldn't destroy Shep too?

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Warhawk137 wrote...

If, hypothetically, I wanted to come up with some fake spoilers to cause a stir, I would probably base those spoilers on the information that's already been leaked.  If I made them up wholecloth, they might seem less credible.  So, that they align with the old leaked script doesn't actually lend the air of "credibility" we might think, simply because someone posting fake spoilers would use that as a resource.

Basically, similarity with previous leaks doesn't prove a thing either one way or the other.

I wonder that too.

I don't know why people think it's 100% certain, since we have no video proof or anything.


But... hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

[Warhawk137]

MouseNo4 wrote...

I have been under NDA in the past. And you can be damned sure i broke it at every opportunity.

Well, I was in the LOTRO closed beta, and I probably could have broken it too if I wanted to.

But that being said, the fewer people under an NDA, and the more contact they have with the company, the easier it is for that company to monitor and enforce it.

[redbaron76]

@ The op where are you getting your information, present proof or stop spreading rumors please.

[Capeo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Except if he was a tester he'd be under an NDA.  Hell, ANYONE working on a video game goes under a strict NDA.

To spoil that is to break the NDA and face serious legal ramifications.

As I said in your other thread: NO you are not.  I have direct experience with this at my company.  NDA's are nearly impossible to enforce.  Just google it if you don't believe me:

https://www.google.c...iw=1126&bih=708

[CheeseEnchilada]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

There is one thing that really, I mean REALLY doesn't add up: according to the guys who told us about the ending, the only ending where Shepard won't die will be the option to destroy all reaper tech (reapers and mass relays). But Shepard IS REAPER TECH! Lazarus Project, rings a bell on anyone? So destroying the reapers and mass relays, wouldn't destroy Shep too?

Apparently there's multiple 'destroy' endings. Shepard dies in all but one, where you had the highest amount of galactic readiness. Despite that, Shep's still severely injured, so for all we know s/he actually died from the wounds off-screen.

[Phoenix-Warden]

Where is the "perfect ending" you can get??? What is a perfect ending? Reaper destroyed, Earth saved, Shepard survives, lives with his/her LI together and the Galaxy and all races gets a chance for a new beginning...

Why isn't there a ending that is more like the DAO ending... This ending was perfect. The Warden stays with his/her LI and they are happy together. The Archdemon/Blight was a great threat, too. And still there is a happy ending. Why not ME3??? Why BioWare??
 

[xtorma]

RiouHotaru wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I would love if this information is wrong. But I saw a lot of evidence that it wasn't, and a lot of disappointed people. The only way to rectify it, if it is true, is to show the fanbase's opposition to it, and hopes for more options, i.e. from DLC. Bethesda's fans did it to Bethesda, and look what they got.

And let's not forget the group of people who convinced BW to let us romance a gypsy with chicken feet and a cat/eagle/crab guy.

all a dev has to do is pop in and say, this is all bullcrap. problem solved

Problem with denying false rumors is that it's essentially a confirmation of the ones you don't deny.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before the release, you need a policy of shutting up and letting things run their course.  Otherwise people would just start throwing things against the wall and seeing if they stick (i.e., if they're not denied).

And, of course, the other issue is if a rumor is partly true, but partly false, and in specific ways.  It'd then be hard to address the rumor in any kind of broad way without going into detail, at which point you're giving away too much information as it is.  For all we know, half of this could be legit and half could be false.  In that case, nobody would expect Bioware to show up and point out which particular bits are true.

If you really want to avoid providing any information before release, you don't give out copies of the game.....before release.

Or if you give out copies, you make the recipients aware of the fact they're legally bound not to say anything.

How do you prove who did it? unless you release only 1 copy , it can't be proven. a guy can call his pal in amsterdam and have him post it all from an internet cafe , with a brand spanking new hotmail. i mean how do you prove who did it?

the only way i can think is if you released only 1 section of the game to each person so you would know who was playing which section. if they all get the full game....

[Balancer]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

There is one thing that really, I mean REALLY doesn't add up: according to the guys who told us about the ending, the only ending where Shepard won't die will be the option to destroy all reaper tech (reapers and mass relays). But Shepard IS REAPER TECH! Lazarus Project, rings a bell on anyone? So destroying the reapers and mass relays, wouldn't destroy Shep too?

Apparently there's multiple 'destroy' endings. Shepard dies in all but one, where you had the highest amount of galactic readiness. Despite that, Shep's still severely injured, so for all we know s/he actually died from the wounds off-screen.

Yea, except we know nothing.

[casedawgz]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

There is one thing that really, I mean REALLY doesn't add up: according to the guys who told us about the ending, the only ending where Shepard won't die will be the option to destroy all reaper tech (reapers and mass relays). But Shepard IS REAPER TECH! Lazarus Project, rings a bell on anyone? So destroying the reapers and mass relays, wouldn't destroy Shep too?

Apparently there's multiple 'destroy' endings. Shepard dies in all but one, where you had the highest amount of galactic readiness. Despite that, Shep's still severely injured, so for all we know s/he actually died from the wounds off-screen.

Don't forget him most likely to starving to death either way. 

[GodWood]

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

casedawgz wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Apparently there's multiple 'destroy' endings. Shepard dies in all but one, where you had the highest amount of galactic readiness. Despite that, Shep's still severely injured, so for all we know s/he actually died from the wounds off-screen.

Don't forget him most likely to starving to death either way. 

Well, since the 'best' ending doesn't have Shepard dying, it most likely ties up to a DLC if it happens.

What other reason would there be to have him alive? Just to say "Hah! Take that Shepard fans! He won't die fast now, but sloooooowly!".

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 28 février 2012 - 07:13 .