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[Cybermortis]

Debi-Tage wrote...

...I can see the headlines now "Bioware sacrifices artistic integrity for cupcakes". 

Well, just be glad we didn't send them tarts. Imagine the headlines then...

[TSC_1]

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

[chmarr]

now we know where they got the idea for the 3 colours.........and the mystery 4th
https://twitter.com/...7047297/photo/1

[Computim]

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Those cupcakes will be tainted with the stigma of failure.  There will be no cupcakes for our favourite staff at Bioware sadly.  We'll have to start a charity drive to cupcakify these poor souls pretty soon.... we can call it "Retake Sugary Awesome"

[Debi-Tage]

chmarr wrote...

now we know where they got the idea for the 3 colours.........and the mystery 4th
https://twitter.com/...7047297/photo/1

that's awesome!

[Major Swift]

chmarr wrote...

now we know where they got the idea for the 3 colours.........and the mystery 4th
https://twitter.com/...7047297/photo/1

lmao!! thank you for that haha thats just great

[Computim]

Debi-Tage wrote...

chmarr wrote...

now we know where they got the idea for the 3 colours.........and the mystery 4th
https://twitter.com/...7047297/photo/1

that's awesome!

Agreed!  Man.. Now I want someone to come grafitti 8bit art on my street.

[LethesDeep]

Debi-Tage wrote...

That's a very good point. Say they ate the cupcakes and then we find out that they indeed are going to change the ending based on our feedback...I can see the headlines now "Bioware sacrifices artistic integrity for cupcakes".

If those headlines came up they'd be laughably wrong for two reasons: 1) They said they were going to modify the endings (somehow) before the cupcakes and 2) BioWare has no "artistic integrity" in the sense they are using it.

Explanation of point 2: Dr. Muzyka, in that letter on Wednesday, said they were deciding how to maintain the artistic integrity of the game while addressing fan concerns. This means that by changing the ending they would be lowering or destroying the artistic integrity of the game and implies that the version of the product shipped at launch is the version with the most artistic integrity (the version closest to the artist's vision). If that is the case, then why do they constantly release DLC and change the integrity of the piece? If Miranda's catsuit is the closest to the ME team's vision of how her character should look why did they release a DLC that gave her a Jacob-esque combat suit? If they hold artistic integrity so high, why did they release a toolkit for DA:O and let others make stuff for their game? That's like letting kindergarteners doodle on the Mona Lisa (if you see it from their POV).

So, really, the whole "artisitc integrity" argument is just as BS as all the other arguments for the ending. That's all just my opinion though; different people have different ideas about what "artistic integrity" means.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 30 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[Chrislo1990]

Hey guys I"ve been spending so much time in other threads expresswing my extreme disatissfation with ME3's ending. I thought that perhaps offering my thoughts here would help further support the cause to change ME3's ridiculous and illogical ending.

After spending some time organizing my thoughts I came upon a bunch of questions.

1.) As had been established in the Mass Effect 2 Arrival DLC, destroying a mass effect relay would unleash an incredible amount of energy, akin to that of a supernova, that would decimate an entire solar system. If this were true, then I fail to see how my crew, indeed all life in the galaxy, did not instantly vaporize upon the destruction of the mass relays in the ending. Did Bioware completely ignore canon or what? I just don't understand! This makes absolutely no sense. It gives me the impression that Bioware writers did not care enough to adhere to established concepts.

2.) How in the world was your crew, of whose members can vary, flying in the Normandy when they were busy fighting a ground war in London only a while ago? One would think would have the courage to stay and fight the Reapers along with the rest of the galactic species, and not run from them. No explanation is offered as to why this is.

3.) What is the origin of the the Catalyst? What created it? Why did it it allow Shepard, a simple organinc, decide the fate of an entoire galaxy? One would think that the catalyst could have simply left Shepard to bleed out at the control panel in the Citadel and continue with the harvsting of organinc life by the Reapers unimpeded.

4.) it is depicted that Joker and the crew survive the crashlanding of the Normandy on a jungle planet. How in the world will they get back home without the Mass relays? Also why is my love interest who had just proclaimed her love for me before I left for the final battle not seem worried or distraught about me? No emotion is depicted as she exits the Normandy. Hell some crying would have done the trick. It's as if what we had was just a fling and nothing more. This really disturbed me.

5.) How did Anderson manage to make it to the Citadel when he was nowhere to be seen during the push toward the Conduit? He states that he was behind Shepard as he limped toward the beam, but in the background you can hear over the radio that the entire team has been decimated by Harbinger's beam. I fail to see the logic here as well..

6.) Why did Shepard not question the catalyst in depth? Why did he simply accept every word it said? Shepard is o much smarter than that. He knew so much about the Reapers. He's spoken to them directly. The only human to do so.

7.) How did Hackett know Shepard was at the Citadel if, as I said,earlier, it was reported over the radio that the entire team had been decimated. Hackett couldn't have known he had made it.

8.) And of course most important of all why is there so little varitety with the endings? They are 95 percent identical with the exception of the color of the energy unleashed from the crucible being either, red blue, or green and some minor details. It is soooooooo disapponting and lazy in part by Bioware. You can't afford that luxury when yu intend to provide a satisfying conclusion to Shepard's story. Also why am I forced to die in every option taken. Where is the freedom of choice to survive the consequences of my action? If I wish to be paragon and survive, why can't I? It isn't fair and contradicts with Bioware's promise of varitey in the conclusion of Shepard's story.

As you can see there are so many plot holes and conflicting ideas in this game. I just hope that Bioware will take me and my fellow fans seriously enough to drastically change the ending in accordance with our desires. After all, Casey said that we too were integral in the shaping of Mass Effect 3's story. I hope he proves this to us this time around. Thank you.

[Debi-Tage]

LethesDeep wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

That's a very good point. Say they ate the cupcakes and then we find out that they indeed are going to change the ending based on our feedback...I can see the headlines now "Bioware sacrifices artistic integrity for cupcakes".

If those headlines came up they'd be laughably wrong for two reasons: 1) They said they were going to modify the endings (somehow) before the cupcakes and 2) BioWare has no "artistic integrity" in the sense they are using it.

Explanation of point 2: Dr. Muzyka, in that letter on Wednesday, said they were deciding how to maintain the artistic integrity of the game while addressing fan concerns. This means that by changing the ending they would be lowering or destroying the artistic integrity of the game and implies that the version of the product shipped at launch is the version with the most artistic integrity (the version closest to the artist's vision). If that is the case, then why do they constantly release DLC and change the integrity of the piece? If Miranda's catsuit is the closest to the ME team's vision of how her character should look why did they release a DLC that gave her a Jacob-esque combat suit? If they hold artistic integrity so high, why did they release a toolkit for DA:O and let others make stuff for their game? That's like letting kindergarteners doodle on the Mona Lisa (if you see it from their POV).

So, really, the whole "artisitc integrity" argument is just as BS as all the other arguments for the ending. That's all just my opinion though; different people have different ideas about what "artistic integrity" means.

You and me are on the same side on that one! And I was halfway joking...the fact of the matter is the "artistic integrity" argument is just as stupid as the "entitled whiner" argument as used when people address gamer's concerns while doing very little real research (or thinking for that matter) to back up the crap they are spewing. Neither are to be taken seriously by people who know better - but they are released nonetheless.

[B33ker]

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Unless they can time travel and go back and change the game that ended up shipping, they can't do anything at this point to give me what I want.

I want my fond memories of ME back without that travesty of an ending causing me to regret ever playing.

[LethesDeep]

Slightly related to topic by way of ME3: does anyone know if Gibbed has released a ME3 Save Editor? I've been wanting to import my custom class Shep (it has a LOT of modifications) to ME3 for a "up to ending" run.

[tjc2]

Are they really going to do a fan Q&A at PAX East, if so, I hope it is prefaced with something to satiate them about the endings.

*Remember: No Magic Will do!

Modifié par tjc2, 30 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[tjc2]

B33ker wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Unless they can time travel and go back and change the game that ended up shipping, they can't do anything at this point to give me what I want.

I want my fond memories of ME back without that travesty of an ending causing me to regret ever playing.

This is probably unlikely, but they could change the ending by giving a divergent quest point before you attack Cerberus. For instance if you do X quest the endings will be diferent from what we got...

[chmarr]

LethesDeep wrote...

Slightly related to topic by way of ME3: does anyone know if Gibbed has released a ME3 Save Editor? I've been wanting to import my custom class Shep (it has a LOT of modifications) to ME3 for a "up to ending" run.

yup its out http://svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/

Modifié par chmarr, 30 mars 2012 - 12:28 .

[TamiBx]

tjc2 wrote...

Are they really going to do a fan Q&A at PAX East, if so, I hope it is prefaced with something to satiate them about the endings.

*Remember: No Magic Will do!

No no no. You got it wrong. It's Space Magic 


And yes, they are having a Q & A.


P.S. don't forget the little emoticon next to it. 

[LethesDeep]

chmarr wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

Slightly related to topic by way of ME3: does anyone know if Gibbed has released a ME3 Save Editor? I've been wanting to import my custom class Shep (it has a LOT of modifications) to ME3 for a "up to ending" run.

yup its out http://svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/

thank you so much!

[Debi-Tage]

TamiBx wrote...

tjc2 wrote...

Are they really going to do a fan Q&A at PAX East, if so, I hope it is prefaced with something to satiate them about the endings.

*Remember: No Magic Will do!

No no no. You got it wrong. It's Space Magic 


And yes, they are having a Q & A.


P.S. don't forget the little emoticon next to it. 

you cracks me up Tamibx...

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

tjc2 wrote...

Are they really going to do a fan Q&A at PAX East, if so, I hope it is prefaced with something to satiate them about the endings.

*Remember: No Magic Will do!

No no no. You got it wrong. It's Space Magic 


And yes, they are having a Q & A.


P.S. don't forget the little emoticon next to it. 

Yes.  The emoticon is required.  You have no choice here.  It is all an illusion brought on by Space Magic .

Surgeons' General Warning: Space Magic  may cause feelings of hostility, anger, betrayal, and the urge to group together with fellow exposed and defeat bad endings.  Limit Exposure whenever possible.

Modifié par Computim, 30 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[d1ta]

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Was thinking the same thing X) .. or maybe other yummy goodies instead? hmm, chocolate? cookies? Pies? or maybe little teddy bears wearing ''I luv u" and "thank u" T-shirts..?
.. *getting carried away*.. better I just stop now >.<

[tjc2]

d1ta wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Was thinking the same thing X) .. or maybe other yummy goodies instead? hmm, chocolate? cookies? Pies? or maybe little teddy bears wearing ''I luv u" and "thank u" T-shirts..?
.. *getting carried away*.. better I just stop now >.<

We need to send something that could not be given to charity, but would be insensitive to disregard, Ideas?

[Cybermortis]

LethesDeep wrote...

If those headlines came up they'd be laughably wrong for two reasons: 1) They said they were going to modify the endings (somehow) before the cupcakes and 2) BioWare has no "artistic integrity" in the sense they are using it.

1; Bioware did not state that they were going to change the ending. They used the words 'Clarrify' and 'Explain', but did not specifically say that this would be done via DLC or a patch. The media, with the very notable exception of Forbes who appear to be one of few media outlets capable of critical thought who've weighed in on the issue, did report the statement as being 'Mass Effect 3 to get a new ending'. However the comments about additional content mentioned in the statement in question are much the same as earlier comments that were made about other DLC content Bioware was already working on...such as the MP DLC that is expected.

The wording was rather ambigous, and probably deliberatly so, and doesn't commit Bioware to doing anything but a power point presentaion at PAX to explain what the endings in the game mean...Not that they would get away with that methinks....

2; I don't recall Bioware itself ever using the 'art' argument. The claims about 'artistic integrity' have come from 'journalists', using the word in its loosest possible sense, who really need to see a doctor as they seem to have their vocal cords stuck up their backsides. The argument for 'art' being unchangeable has been demolished by rather a lot of smart people, especially in regards video games.

One of the reasons I don't think Bioware would use this line of reasoning is the same as the wording of the statement above. Basically it would commit them to a particular course of action, or in this case commit them to not taking action.

Now I will point out that individuals at Bioware MAY have a different take on this, and they may well agree with the 'artistic integrity' line. They may even have said this outright at some point. However this is their opinion, NOT the opinion of Bioware itself...If Bioware as a company thinks that the best course of action is to change the ending, then they will change the ending regardless of if anyone's ego gets bruised in the process.

[TamiBx]

Debi-Tage wrote...

you cracks me up Tamibx...

I am glad I am able to entertain this thread. 

Sometimes we need a little humor or we will all be depressed over the ending all the time. 

[nitefyre410]

tjc2 wrote...

d1ta wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Was thinking the same thing X) .. or maybe other yummy goodies instead? hmm, chocolate? cookies? Pies? or maybe little teddy bears wearing ''I luv u" and "thank u" T-shirts..?
.. *getting carried away*.. better I just stop now >.<

We need to send something that could not be given to charity, but would be insensitive to disregard, Ideas?

  

simple large card, with a bunch of signatures with two very simpe words... 

"Thank you"    let the mull of over the reason with Lots of Speculation for everyone about  the meaning behind a simple thank you.  

[Debi-Tage]

tjc2 wrote...

d1ta wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

If we do get what we want... should we send them more cupcakes that they can eat as a thank you?

Was thinking the same thing X) .. or maybe other yummy goodies instead? hmm, chocolate? cookies? Pies? or maybe little teddy bears wearing ''I luv u" and "thank u" T-shirts..?
.. *getting carried away*.. better I just stop now >.<

We need to send something that could not be given to charity, but would be insensitive to disregard, Ideas?

handwritten love letters with glitter glued to them and bottles of alcohol??