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[chmarr]

-Kysi- wrote...

@KHReborn
Frag aber lieber nochmal nach. Will nicht dass du evtl. Probleme bekommst

Sry for answering in german, everyone

Alle warten auf das Licht
fürchtet euch fürchtet euch nicht
die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen
sie wird heut Nacht nicht untergehen
und die Welt zählt laut bis zehn

[Kratz]

Mythandariel wrote...

-Kysi- wrote...

@KHReborn
Frag aber lieber nochmal nach. Will nicht dass du evtl. Probleme bekommst

Sry for answering in german, everyone

Just gives me more incintive to learn a new language. 

Don't think you'll be holding the line *that* long

[Computim]

hahaha I love how Chris Priestly has to remind everyone that no ME3 announcements are coming out on Apr 1st and not to trust anything.. It's like worst nightmare for a gaming company in damage control mode. An internet full of anger and just waiting to vent jokes galore.

[Kushan101]

chmarr wrote...

oh god.......... WHY
http://www.digitalsp...-up-lovers.html

The sheer randomness of your post made me chuckle. That is seriously twisted though, a bacon coffin?! who would have thought THAT was a good idea?

I'm awaiting PAX with a slight feeling of dread, I cant help but feel a "clarification" DLC is in the works. We'll all then say (in unison) "That wasn't what we meant!"; immediately cue IGN article about "Entitled gamers STILL not happy".

[Darth Garrus]

Just a theory, food for thought.

I still think that it could have been a version of the "empty box" campaign from the first SW. Since they had a deadline for making a gazillion money on Christmas with SW toys, but they weren't complete, they sold the box with a coupon inside. You would get you toy in a couple of months.

Of course, there are huge differences between the cases, but I think that BW can very well thought about something similar, but they just missed the right way to do it. They had to release it on March (fiscal year deadlines?), but the end will actually be released later. I think they just thought that people would buy the endings, or at least not have so passionate a response, so they could come with a "real ending", a "what really happened to Shep and his merry band", or something. And everybody would cheer and think that it was a genius move by the company.

If only they had done it right...

It lacked communication. They could have put a real advise, or a cryptic one at the end, so people would get it. They would have been hailed as "genius" by some, other would say that it was a nice touch, and some wouldn't like. But not as passionately as we see everywhere.

The only problem would be making money later with it. Maybe they thought that by doing it this way, it would be easier to make money, since people would be desperate for the good stuff.

It's only a theory. But somehow I think it makes more sense than the endings being "it".

[chmarr]

Kushan101 wrote...

chmarr wrote...

oh god.......... WHY
http://www.digitalsp...-up-lovers.html

The sheer randomness of your post made me chuckle. That is seriously twisted though, a bacon coffin?! who would have thought THAT was a good idea?

I'm awaiting PAX with a slight feeling of dread, I cant help but feel a "clarification" DLC is in the works. We'll all then say (in unison) "That wasn't what we meant!"; immediately cue IGN article about "Entitled gamers STILL not happy".

maybe take the bacon coffin along and see there reaction hehehehe

"lets PAX some bacon"

[Doppelgaenger]

Just wanted to put this out here, I am sure it has been posted but this is important: THERE WILL BE NO ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR ME 3 BY BIOWARE ON APRIL 1ST, DISREGARD EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ON THAT DAY.
http://social.biowar.../index/10812276

[Victia]

Kushan101 wrote...

chmarr wrote...

oh god.......... WHY
http://www.digitalsp...-up-lovers.html

The sheer randomness of your post made me chuckle. That is seriously twisted though, a bacon coffin?! who would have thought THAT was a good idea?

I'm awaiting PAX with a slight feeling of dread, I cant help but feel a "clarification" DLC is in the works. We'll all then say (in unison) "That wasn't what we meant!"; immediately cue IGN article about "Entitled gamers STILL not happy".

I know, that thought came to me today - Bioware and EA think this is a big backlash can you imagine the rage if its a 'why you should love the god-child' dlc rather than something that makes sence

[chmarr]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Just a theory, food for thought.

I still think that it could have been a version of the "empty box" campaign from the first SW. Since they had a deadline for making a gazillion money on Christmas with SW toys, but they weren't complete, they sold the box with a coupon inside. You would get you toy in a couple of months.

Of course, there are huge differences between the cases, but I think that BW can very well thought about something similar, but they just missed the right way to do it. They had to release it on March (fiscal year deadlines?), but the end will actually be released later. I think they just thought that people would buy the endings, or at least not have so passionate a response, so they could come with a "real ending", a "what really happened to Shep and his merry band", or something. And everybody would cheer and think that it was a genius move by the company.

If only they had done it right...

It lacked communication. They could have put a real advise, or a cryptic one at the end, so people would get it. They would have been hailed as "genius" by some, other would say that it was a nice touch, and some wouldn't like. But not as passionately as we see everywhere.

The only problem would be making money later with it. Maybe they thought that by doing it this way, it would be easier to make money, since people would be desperate for the good stuff.

It's only a theory. But somehow I think it makes more sense than the endings being "it".

so in theory we should be getting all the content free of charge if your theory does turn out to be true??

[Cybermortis]

Kushan101 wrote...

I'm awaiting PAX with a slight feeling of dread, I cant help but feel a "clarification" DLC is in the works. We'll all then say (in unison) "That wasn't what we meant!"; immediately cue IGN article about "Entitled gamers STILL not happy".

I think we'd be saying 'We told you that wasn't what we wanted and warned you what would happen. Goodbye.'

Headlines within 12 months would be 'EA shuts down Star Wars MMO due to flagging subscriptions'

Then; 'Dragon Age III poorest selling title of the year, is the end in sight for Bioware?'

'Mass Effect 4 released, but is anyone buying it?'

'Bioware closes doors for last time'

[HITMAN629]

chmarr wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

*Snip*

so in theory we should be getting all the content free of charge if your theory does turn out to be true??

You see that EA logo at the bottom of the page? Nothing will be free

[Darth_Acheron47]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Just a theory, food for thought.

I still think that it could have been a version of the "empty box" campaign from the first SW. Since they had a deadline for making a gazillion money on Christmas with SW toys, but they weren't complete, they sold the box with a coupon inside. You would get you toy in a couple of months.

Of course, there are huge differences between the cases, but I think that BW can very well thought about something similar, but they just missed the right way to do it. They had to release it on March (fiscal year deadlines?), but the end will actually be released later. I think they just thought that people would buy the endings, or at least not have so passionate a response, so they could come with a "real ending", a "what really happened to Shep and his merry band", or something. And everybody would cheer and think that it was a genius move by the company.

If only they had done it right...

It lacked communication. They could have put a real advise, or a cryptic one at the end, so people would get it. They would have been hailed as "genius" by some, other would say that it was a nice touch, and some wouldn't like. But not as passionately as we see everywhere.

The only problem would be making money later with it. Maybe they thought that by doing it this way, it would be easier to make money, since people would be desperate for the good stuff.

It's only a theory. But somehow I think it makes more sense than the endings being "it".

Some days it seems like this is the sort of thing they're really trying to hint at. (Like with the twitter posts about the ending not making sense "yet :D". Although those are really just starting to annoy me more than anything else...)

I kind of hope it was just some kind of PR plan that went horribly, horribly wrong somewhere. I still think they would have come forward with more information and more reassurance before now if that were the case, but I'm willing to wait until PAX at least to see if that's the case.

If the only thing they offer at that point is MP DLC or more of the "we're listening" and "we want to give more people the chance to play," though, I'm going to have a hard time holding out hope there's something better on the horizon.

Personally, I kind of think it's brilliant when there's an unexpected turn in the plot somewhere. That's one of the reasons Fight Club is my favorite movie - I never saw it coming and it was brilliant. So if this was intentional, I will gladly admit that I was fooled and applaud BioWare whole-heartedly for pulling it off.

If not, well... Like I said, I just hope there's some kind of answer/closure on the way that doesn't just involve "explaining" why we "didn't get it."

[Computim]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Just a theory, food for thought.

I still think that it could have been a version of the "empty box" campaign from the first SW. Since they had a deadline for making a gazillion money on Christmas with SW toys, but they weren't complete, they sold the box with a coupon inside. You would get you toy in a couple of months.

Of course, there are huge differences between the cases, but I think that BW can very well thought about something similar, but they just missed the right way to do it. They had to release it on March (fiscal year deadlines?), but the end will actually be released later. I think they just thought that people would buy the endings, or at least not have so passionate a response, so they could come with a "real ending", a "what really happened to Shep and his merry band", or something. And everybody would cheer and think that it was a genius move by the company.

If only they had done it right...

It lacked communication. They could have put a real advise, or a cryptic one at the end, so people would get it. They would have been hailed as "genius" by some, other would say that it was a nice touch, and some wouldn't like. But not as passionately as we see everywhere.

The only problem would be making money later with it. Maybe they thought that by doing it this way, it would be easier to make money, since people would be desperate for the good stuff.

It's only a theory. But somehow I think it makes more sense than the endings being "it".

They could have had a 180 degree reversal here if they had of defended their customers from the press and if they hadn't of rushed the ending to meet EA's Fiscal Year End (Mar 31)..  They need to seriously rethink their customer relations policies after this debacle.

Ironically I read earlier from one of the publications calling us 'entitled whiners' that it would be horrible if Bioware stopped having pre-release interviews and releasing a ton of unapproved info before releases...

Say what?
It's only horrible for the press...  They thrive off this.  I say that's the basis of a LOT of this problem to start with.. if they had of not released a bunch of info that turned out to be horribly inaccurate as to the final product release there would be no story here, there would be no retake ME3... the problem is they were in a cone of silence which they still appear to be in, you can't improve yourself if you don't have regular critique.. all Bioware appears to have done is read the reviews of the critics who require these pre-releases and good reviews in order to keep THEIR jobs... if you take info from a biased source you're not getting the whole picture...
 
They need to consider test groups in the future, much like the movie studios do.  Movies that have won emmys have test screenings... it's not considered desecration of art there, it's considered the equivalent of beta testing your product in front of your end user.  Yes some criticism is harsh and not really helpful.. but when a significant, vocal group of your diehard fans disagree with your business decision you probably should, at the very least, take a step back and figure out how to compromise.  You can make all the art you want, but if no one buys it / sees it who are you really enriching and if your most diehard fans are threatening to never buy your product again you've screwed up somewhere.  No ifs ands or buts there.  Be it in the product itself or simply the way you handled their complaints...

Hold the line all!

[DJBare]

I think the gaming industry is about to undergo a paradigm, and they will have Bioware to thank for it, no longer will they be able to hide behind things such as artistic integrity, gone are the days of the gods we worshipped in their basements working day and night to bring us the next great game, they are now an industry not hobby art, and if they wish to survive as an industry, then they better start taking notice of their customer's and not looking down on them any more.

I understand pride in creativity, any modder understands pride in creativity, but when it's your bread and butter, it's time to swallow some of that pride.

[Computim]

DJBare wrote...

I think the gaming industry is about to undergo a paradigm, and they will have Bioware to thank for it, no longer will they be able to hide behind things such as artistic integrity, gone are the days of the gods we worshipped in their basements working day and night to bring us the next great game, they are now an industry not hobby art, and if they wish to survive as an industry, then they better start taking notice of their customer's and not looking down on them any more.

I understand pride in creativity, any modder understands pride in creativity, but when it's your bread and butter, it's time to swallow some of that pride.

Exactly.  They lost the right to hide behind artistic integrity when they made a business decision to push the game out for EA's FYE.

Now they're just trying to have their cake, eat it, and hope no one realizes the cake is a lie.

[Fox544]

So uhh yeah. Anyone see the "True Ending" DLC for Asura's Wrath? I wonder if BW is waiting to see how many people at Capcom are crucified before announcing their plans. Btw if you didn't see it.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

P.S. This also clearly shows that "artistic integrity" isn't that big of an issue and any company can clearly change their ending anytime they see fit. So if we're not a minority anymore, we're not entitled and there is no such thing as artistic integrity then whats the next excuse for denying us what we want and are willing to pay for?

Modifié par Fox544, 30 mars 2012 - 10:22 .

[Lord Costantino]

Fox544 wrote...

So uhh yeah. Anyone see the "True Ending" DLC for Asura's Wrath? I wonder if BW is waiting to see how many people at Capcom are crucified before announcing their plans. Btw if you didn't see it.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

I posted this earlier today and it's sickening...we are entering into an age of "Buying our endings" We need to stop it before it begins!

[HITMAN629]

Fox544 wrote...

So uhh yeah. Anyone see the "True Ending" DLC for Asura's Wrath? I wonder if BW is waiting to see how many people at Capcom are crucified before announcing their plans. Btw if you didn't see it.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

This is normal for Capcom, that is why I no longer support them

[toffeetrooper]

back in the line

had a few beers(nice)
not enough though i still wont take on Mr bare(legend)

[lijygr]

Alikan wrote...



This made me laugh...and then i got so sad again...(apologies if its already been posted but abit hard to keep up with the thread)

ROFL! Good one!

[Darth Garrus]

Lord Costantino wrote...

I posted this earlier today and it's sickening...we are entering into an age of "Buying our endings" We need to stop it before it begins!

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it happened in Divinity 2, didn't it?

[Major Swift]

lol i would actually pay for this

[KHReborn]

Fox544 wrote...

So uhh yeah. Anyone see the "True Ending" DLC for Asura's Wrath? I wonder if BW is waiting to see how many people at Capcom are crucified before announcing their plans. Btw if you didn't see it.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

P.S. This also clearly shows that "artistic integrity" isn't that big of an issue and any company can clearly change their ending anytime they see fit. So if we're not a minority anymore, we're not entitled and there is no such thing as artistic integrity then whats the next excuse for denying us what we want and are willingto pay for?

To answer that, I just copy something i wrote in another thread:

[...]
But no matter what happens: They lost my trust. I'll shall never preorder any game nor buying any merchandising, book etc.
When
i heard about the Capcom Azuras Wrath true ending, my heart started
bleeding. Call my a pessimist, but i lost most of my trust in the whole
gaming industry. I will only buy games when their complete (that means
all dlc's. game of the year edition etc) for a small budget price.
There is an exception for 3 studios:
- piranha bytes
- cd project red
- vigil games
(-Maybe bethesda, but I'm not 100% sure...)
The rest won't see a lot of my money from now on.

[lijygr]

Forbes became the loudest voice of #RetakeMassEffect movement.
Thank you, Forbes!

Hold The Line, for Marauder Shields sake!

[Computim]

Major Swift wrote...

lol i would actually pay for this

...so THAT's where all the EA R&D money went to.

Modifié par Computim, 30 mars 2012 - 10:18 .