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Darth Suetam wrote...

Just a theory, food for thought.

I still think that it could have been a version of the "empty box" campaign from the first SW. Since they had a deadline for making a gazillion money on Christmas with SW toys, but they weren't complete, they sold the box with a coupon inside. You would get you toy in a couple of months.

Of course, there are huge differences between the cases, but I think that BW can very well thought about something similar, but they just missed the right way to do it. They had to release it on March (fiscal year deadlines?), but the end will actually be released later. I think they just thought that people would buy the endings, or at least not have so passionate a response, so they could come with a "real ending", a "what really happened to Shep and his merry band", or something. And everybody would cheer and think that it was a genius move by the company.

If only they had done it right...

It lacked communication. They could have put a real advise, or a cryptic one at the end, so people would get it. They would have been hailed as "genius" by some, other would say that it was a nice touch, and some wouldn't like. But not as passionately as we see everywhere.

The only problem would be making money later with it. Maybe they thought that by doing it this way, it would be easier to make money, since people would be desperate for the good stuff.

It's only a theory. But somehow I think it makes more sense than the endings being "it".


The end of the fiscal year is the 31st of March, so yes releasing ME3 before then makes financial sense as even if the game was very badly recieved the initial sales figures would boost the end of year report. I strongly suspect this is why Bioware wasn't allowed to push the release date back a second time - especially since EA/BW knew that SWTOR wasn't doing as well as they'd predicted.

The idea that Bioware was always intending to release an 'ending' DLC has been around since shortly after the games release, when rumours about a DLC called 'The Truth' surfaced. However as far as I'm aware this rumour has never been shown to have any evidence to support it - the closest Bioware ever came to denying its existance was on Twitter with the line 'Do you really think we'd call a DLC the Truth?'...which is the usual ambigous statement we've come to expect over the last month.  The comment could be taken as 'No such thing exists' or as 'That was the working title, we're calling it something else now' depending on your hopes and dreams.

During the online chat earlier this week one of the guys at Forbes did say he suspected that the whole issue was a PR stunt by Bioware, if one that horrifically backfired on them. He pointed out that if it was a PR stunt, and they badly underestimated the reaction to the 'ending', they most certainly would not have come out and admitted to it. Since such an admission would have made things far, FAR worse than they already were at that point.

Of course such speculation might have more to do with people simply not being willing to believe that Bioware was capable of messing up this badly, let alone messing up their most important franchise. But there is some circumstancial evidence that *could* be used as a basis for thinking this way. We do know, as I said above, that they were working to a deadline that couldn't be changed. We know that after the original ending was leaked they decided to change it more or less at the last minute, and we also know that they ran into some serious technical issues regarding end game content which resulted in them being unable to implement it. This 'evidence' could, and I stress *could*, support the idea that maybe they decided to release the game with a 'placeholder' ending while they worked on finishing the 'true' ending. That the app notes released make no mention of this is hardly surprising. First because 'buy the game now, get the ending later' is hardly the best way to advertise a game (especially if the release date was set for the end of the financial year) since people would hold off buying the game until the ending was available. The second reason is that not only do the notes we've seen about the ending date from some six months ago, but if they DID intend to run a PR stunt they certainly would not have released information about their plans at that time.

Personally I'm nursing a faint hope that this was intended to be a PR/Marketing stunt. This is based on some comments from the BW writer who will be at PAX made on twitter. Something along the lines of 'Look forward to seeing you at PAX, we've got a lot to talk about :)' (I can't recall the exact words). This, along with the apparent intention of broadcasting the Bioware panel at PAX online, would seem to imply they are very confident in being able to say something that will go down well...and unless they have entirely lost their connection to reality they must know that the only news likely to do that would be a new ending - Not a clarrification of the existing pile of crud, but a new one with more options and far more satisfying endings.

We'll just have to cross our fingers and hope...because the alternative is that Bioware is about to commit suicide at PAX in front of the worlds media....

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well bioware cant wait to see Ur answers in pax on April.. don't know whenever to order an executioner or a surprise party for u bioware we will see......

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mr.surv wrote...

http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/


I don't understand something.
What's the point of posting Alliance Network news since most of players finished game???

This news is before Earth battle ? dafaqu?



Interesting - adds this little piece to all the other pieces that support my theory ;D


HOLD THE LINE

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XIzCarnageXIXZ wrote...

well bioware cant wait to see Ur answers in pax on April.. don't know whenever to order an executioner or a surprise party for u bioware we will see......

Hire both the hitman and clown have everything scheduled for 2 hours post announcement then call off the one that isn't needed.

I'm gearing up for the hm but I'm really really really hoping for the clown and balloons.

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Weltenschlange wrote...

I just wanted to repost this nice little article here.

Last paragraph:

Doyce Testerman wrote...

Bioware is a company. Making their stories into games is their business model. Hiding behind some kind of “but it’s art, so we’re not changing it” defense is insulting, disingenuous, and flat-out stupid. Worse, it perpetuates the idea that the creator’s output is in some stupid way sancrosant and, as art, cannot be “wrong” or “bad”. If you as a creator imagine that to be the case — if you think that kind of argument is going to defend your right to never do a rewrite or a revision or line edits or to ever alter, in any way, your precious Artistic Process — discard that notion.

Or become accustomed to a long life as an “undiscovered talent”.



I seriously want to send the author of that article a cupcake.... and not a red green or blue one because he pretty much summed up my original complaint about the story, (before the whole what kind of craptastic customer service is this? one) Image IPB

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mr.surv wrote...
http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/
I don't understand something.
What's the point of posting Alliance Network news since most of players finished game???
This news is before Earth battle ? dafaqu?

Wait up!, it's been a while since I played, but is not primarch Fedorian dead?

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@Dj14365

we can only hope the future of bioware is riding on there answer they give at pax please be the right one.

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[quote]Cybermortis wrote...

[quote]Darth Suetam wrote...



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Cyber you've seen my theory which a lot have added to it - but still going with it was planned; the PR completely fell to peices on it.........

We'll see the real ending announcement at PAX; gut is still telling me this.......


1 week..........

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DJBare wrote...

mr.surv wrote...
http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/
I don't understand something.
What's the point of posting Alliance Network news since most of players finished game???
This news is before Earth battle ? dafaqu?

Wait up!, it's been a while since I played, but is not primarch Fedorian dead?


Yeah, he died before you even got to Menae to look for him.

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DJBare wrote...

I think the gaming industry is about to undergo a paradigm, and they will have Bioware to thank for it, no longer will they be able to hide behind things such as artistic integrity, gone are the days of the gods we worshipped in their basements working day and night to bring us the next great game, they are now an industry not hobby art, and if they wish to survive as an industry, then they better start taking notice of their customer's and not looking down on them any more.

I understand pride in creativity, any modder understands pride in creativity, but when it's your bread and butter, it's time to swallow some of that pride.



Yeah. I commented on Forbes that I thought what we were seeing was a 'cult of the game developer'. Meaning that games designers have been used to being praised for their work for so long they have started to believe their own hype, and the gaming press has in many cases been dragged into the 'cult' after them - becoming the 'High Priests' as it where.

Woe betide any who question the awesomness of the gaming gods!

We see the exact same thing happen with directors and actors. They win a high profile award or two, get full of themselves and then slide into obscurity as they loose their connection to reality.

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Okay, enough gloom and doom with the ending speculation. Nothing's gonna get answered until Pax

So threadwide question for all of you. Which was the most emotionally gut wrenching moment for you (besides the ending) or the most beautiful moment for you.

For me it was respectively when you find David hooked up to that machine in project overlord, crying and just going through that math formula over and over and in ME3 (Tali romance) when you jump off the car to face down the reaper where she says "I love you" and Shepard responds "Keehla'selai"

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Cybermortis wrote...

This, along with the apparent intention of broadcasting the Bioware panel at PAX online, would seem to imply they are very confident in being able to say something that will go down well...and unless they have entirely lost their connection to reality they must know that the only news likely to do that would be a new ending - Not a clarrification of the existing pile of crud, but a new one with more options and far more satisfying endings.


Oooh I didn't even see this till you just mentioned it!  That IS good news.  Image IPB
Let's just hope it's not so it's easier to see them all raise their riot shields that have Artistic Integrity spelt out on them. Image IPB

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DJBare wrote...

mr.surv wrote...
http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/
I don't understand something.
What's the point of posting Alliance Network news since most of players finished game???
This news is before Earth battle ? dafaqu?

Wait up!, it's been a while since I played, but is not primarch Fedorian dead?

yeah he is, the guy that becomes the next primarch  and comes onto the normandy is Primarch Victus

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Dj14365 wrote...

XIzCarnageXIXZ wrote...

well bioware cant wait to see Ur answers in pax on April.. don't know whenever to order an executioner or a surprise party for u bioware we will see......

Hire both the hitman and clown have everything scheduled for 2 hours post announcement then call off the one that isn't needed.

I'm gearing up for the hm but I'm really really really hoping for the clown and balloons.


WHAT!  GOOD GOD! PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!?

Are you some sort of sociopath!? I mean...come on! Nothing, NOTHING Bioware has said or done or could say or do justifies such an over the top and indefencible reaction as that!

My god...clowns...you seriously want to send in the clowns...?:crying:

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Cybermortis wrote...

WHAT!  GOOD GOD! PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!?

Are you some sort of sociopath!? I mean...come on! Nothing, NOTHING Bioware has said or done or could say or do justifies such an over the top and indefencible reaction as that!

My god...clowns...you seriously want to send in the clowns...?:crying:


Yeah.. at least give them the cyanide pills in advance.. no one deserves the clowns Image IPB

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XIzCarnageXIXZ wrote...

@Dj14365

we can only hope the future of bioware is riding on there answer they give at pax please be the right one.

You can bet your bottom dollar on that. 

I have always been a loyal customer of not only BW but also to EA (I love sports games and they make the best). Earlier today I tried to figure out how much cash I've given to those companies over the years. I got depressed when I got over $400 and gave up. I hope that my devotion counts for something and this relationship doesn't have to end because they are unwilling to admit a mistake and rectify it.

Modifié par Dj14365, 30 mars 2012 - 11:08 .


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Dj14365 wrote...

XIzCarnageXIXZ wrote...

well bioware cant wait to see Ur answers in pax on April.. don't know whenever to order an executioner or a surprise party for u bioware we will see......

Hire both the hitman and clown have everything scheduled for 2 hours post announcement then call off the one that isn't needed.

I'm gearing up for the hm but I'm really really really hoping for the clown and balloons.


What about a clown who moonlights as a hitman?

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Here's a fun little link that's good for a laugh.
http://i762.photobuc...aenok/ME3/s.jpg

He's right you know.

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Major Swift wrote...
yeah he is, the guy that becomes the next primarch  and comes onto the normandy is Primarch Victus

That's exactly what I thought, Shepard never even gets to meet Fedorian, millions will have played and completed the game by now, that ANN article is nonsensical at this late stage.

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chosen_trekie wrote...

Dj14365 wrote...

XIzCarnageXIXZ wrote...

well bioware cant wait to see Ur answers in pax on April.. don't know whenever to order an executioner or a surprise party for u bioware we will see......

Hire both the hitman and clown have everything scheduled for 2 hours post announcement then call off the one that isn't needed.

I'm gearing up for the hm but I'm really really really hoping for the clown and balloons.


What about a clown who moonlights as a hitman?


Hiring Kefka or the Joker is a bad idea D:

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Major Swift wrote...

DJBare wrote...

mr.surv wrote...
http://blog.bioware....e-news-network/
I don't understand something.
What's the point of posting Alliance Network news since most of players finished game???
This news is before Earth battle ? dafaqu?

Wait up!, it's been a while since I played, but is not primarch Fedorian dead?

yeah he is, the guy that becomes the next primarch  and comes onto the normandy is Primarch Victus


If you read closely it talks about the Reapers advancing on Palaven or now being able to. Since the Reapers are already there by the time Shepard arrives the 'story' is dated to around the time Shepard was first on the Citadel or possibly when he/she was on Mars.

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DJBare wrote...

Major Swift wrote...
yeah he is, the guy that becomes the next primarch  and comes onto the normandy is Primarch Victus

That's exactly what I thought, Shepard never even gets to meet Fedorian, millions will have played and completed the game by now, that ANN article is nonsensical at this late stage.


And this surprises you coming from Citadel Kid creators? Image IPB

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Computim wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...
WHAT!  GOOD GOD! PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!?

Are you some sort of sociopath!? I mean...come on! Nothing, NOTHING Bioware has said or done or could say or do justifies such an over the top and indefencible reaction as that!

My god...clowns...you seriously want to send in the clowns...?:crying:

Yeah.. at least give them the cyanide pills in advance.. no one deserves the clowns Image IPB

I have never understood why people are so messed up about clowns. I guess I haven't watched enough scary movies.

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Cybermortis wrote...


Personally I'm nursing a faint hope that this was intended to be a PR/Marketing stunt. This is based on some comments from the BW writer who will be at PAX made on twitter. Something along the lines of 'Look forward to seeing you at PAX, we've got a lot to talk about :)' (I can't recall the exact words). This, along with the apparent intention of broadcasting the Bioware panel at PAX online, would seem to imply they are very confident in being able to say something that will go down well...and unless they have entirely lost their connection to reality they must know that the only news likely to do that would be a new ending - Not a clarrification of the existing pile of crud, but a new one with more options and far more satisfying endings.

We'll just have to cross our fingers and hope...because the alternative is that Bioware is about to commit suicide at PAX in front of the worlds media....

(edited for space)


Yes, I do think it may very well have been a PR Stunt. And it really backfired.

 I think they didn't find the best way to do it before, and from there was a PR trainwreck . They could have saved it, but the silence and the absence of a good strategy may have hurt their plans.

Besides, we've seen some twitts that idicated that there was some "pain" about they being "attacked" by some people while they were working in the true ending. Things like "oh, if only you knew", or similar, were said.

I think they were counting on some anxiety about a better (or "true") ending, but not something like that.


The first mistake is: not predicting that such bad endings could generate more than simple anxiety.

Second: After it happened, they should have changed the strategy. They should have thrown some real clues, or even better, let something out to appease the hurt crowd.

And then, take so many steps to deny everything. Maybe they thought that all that publicity, in reality, was good. But it certainly wasn't. And isn't.

If, I mean, if it really was a PR stunt, not a change of plans completely.

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To Bioware;

Please be assured that the motion to use Clowns at PAX is NOT supported by Retake or its members. We have no desire or intention to throw pastries, use water-filled button holes, deploy buckets of white-wash or subject Bioware staff to oversized shoes, trousers or 'humorous' red noses.

Disclaimer; We can't make promises about the dress code or dress sense of individual members of retake. Some of them don't get out much, and we can't guarantee that all members are capable of buying clothing that doesn't make them look like idiots.