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[Computim]

Cybermortis wrote...

To Bioware;

Please be assured that the motion to use Clowns at PAX is NOT supported by Retake or its members. We have no desire or intention to throw pastries, use water-filled button holes, deploy buckets of white-wash or subject Bioware staff to oversized shoes, trousers or 'humorous' red noses.

Disclaimer; We can't make promises about the dress code or dress sense of individual members of retake. Some of them don't get out much, and we can't guarantee that all members are capable of buying clothing that doesn't make them look like idiots.

I'm going to laugh if the crowd shows up in red green or blue hahahaha

[PhoenixDove1]

Jetfire99 wrote...

Here's a fun little link that's good for a laugh.
http://i762.photobuc...aenok/ME3/s.jpg

He's right you know.

[Bionic Weapon]

Computim wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

To Bioware;

Please be assured that the motion to use Clowns at PAX is NOT supported by Retake or its members. We have no desire or intention to throw pastries, use water-filled button holes, deploy buckets of white-wash or subject Bioware staff to oversized shoes, trousers or 'humorous' red noses.

Disclaimer; We can't make promises about the dress code or dress sense of individual members of retake. Some of them don't get out much, and we can't guarantee that all members are capable of buying clothing that doesn't make them look like idiots.

I'm going to laugh if the crowd shows up in red green or blue hahahaha

And each shirt should have an A B or C on them

[Dj14365]

Computim wrote...
I'm going to laugh if the crowd shows up in red green or blue hahahaha

Everyone who goes on behalf of the movement has to team up with two othe people.

The first wears a red shirt that says TAKE on it.

The second a green shirt that says YOUR on it.

The third a blue shirt that says PICK on it.

[Feraiin]

It would be better if you all went in the attire you want, not a pre-determined pick of colours. That way, you represent a broad fanbase with concerns, rather than an organized protest.
It's also harder to make exclusionary comments if you appear as members of the audience. Otherwise the panel could just point at everybody with a red blue or green shirt and say "Oh, they're the minority that's unhappy, ignore them."

Not to say you can't do it, but the guy who ran the organizing thread for PAX made a good point.

Stand fast. Stand strong. Stand together.

Hackett out.

[Cybermortis]

Darth Suetam wrote...


Yes, I do think it may very well have been a PR Stunt. And it really backfired.

The first mistake is: not predicting that such bad endings could generate more than simple anxiety.

Second: After it happened, they should have changed the strategy. They should have thrown some real clues, or even better, let something out to appease the hurt crowd.

<Sorry about the heavy trimming>

Well, if the idea for the PR stunt came about because of the leak and the decision to change the ending. Then it clearly was made at the last minute - in which case the idea might not have been thought through fully. This would explain why it was so badly handled...and also why they apparently didn't have a backup plan if everything went to hell in a handbasket.

Its quite possible they DID try to throw out some clues initially. In I fact have been half wondering if the 'leak' about 'The Truth' DLC was intentional. They may have decided to stop playing that game for fear of making things worse - especially given that the existance of a MP DLC had been just leaked before then. They may have come to the conclusion (as the Forbes writer explained) that coming out with *ahem* the truth or dropping too many hints about such a DLC would make things worse than they already were. Besides, at the moment it appears that Bioware lied through its teeth about what the ending of the game would be like as it is*...so it is quite possible that anything short of a full confirmation about an ending DLC would have been taken as another lie.

*Clarrification; My comments apply to how things look or could be taken at this moment in time, and is based on pre-release statements that are already known and frequently quoted by the development team. It is not and was not meant as an accusuation.

Modifié par Cybermortis, 30 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[mCorfe]

Just watched Angry Joe's indoctrination theory movie and i gotta say ... it has to be true - and if it is and in DLC we will get the final fight with the Reapers... damn i'll love Bioware forever.

here is the link http://angryjoeshow....me3-ending-dlc/

Holding the line

[Darth Garrus]

Cybermortis wrote...

Yeah. I commented on Forbes that I thought what we were seeing was a 'cult of the game developer'. Meaning that games designers have been used to being praised for their work for so long they have started to believe their own hype, and the gaming press has in many cases been dragged into the 'cult' after them - becoming the 'High Priests' as it where.

Oh, yes. As I wrote before, the BW authorized "The Final Hours" has some pretty disturbing stuff. You buy to get an idea about the making of the game, how it's done, previews maybe, but get a lot of a guy in his farm, the guy in his aeroplane, the guy flying his aeroplane, the guy in his hangar showing his expensive toys, a walk around the guy's office.

Gee, it's pretty bizarre. Why would I want to see that? I wanted to see the game being done, and BW in action while doing it. But I get a lot of cult of personality. And those are just facts!!! It's in their authorized "making of".

Maybe the game industry is really trying to get to the same level as the movies industry. Heck, games are moving around the same or more money than the movie industry. Maybe they want the fame too. But there's a huge problem in it. Games are done by "faceless" people. The idea that they should get as much attention as movie stars is bizarre. Not that I agree with so much exposure for anybody, but you can understand. But trying that with games?

This kind of approach used to be a trap made by journalists. Inflate the ego and expose the ridicule. I thought people knew it by now. But maybe it wasn't a trap. And it may be even more bizarre if it's not.

Anyway, this may be a reason why people start to think that what they touch turns into gold, and that they can't fail. That is usually when you fall.

ME3, undoubtedly, will be a case study. Stunt or not. Happy ending or not.

And people have to realize that it's a young industry. An ever evolving one. You have to prepare differently. You can't get to a couple of months before release and not have an ending. Find more writers, and prepare a very rigid schedule. If you don't have a whole story (the main plot and some big events, at least) agreed in 1 month, something is very wrong. Of course things change. But just small things, and not main things. And if they do change, you have to agree to it only if it's possible to do it. If you can't, stick to the first and accepted idea.

Unless it's part of a stunt, the "Final Hours" show the guys from BW talking about not having an ending way into production. If that's true, it's a big mistake.

Well, at least I'm still waiting for great endings to this game.

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 30 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[Shiyamirai]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

I just want to share a quote from my screenwriting class this morning. My teacher was explaining how to write the ending of a screenplay, and why workshopping and going over what you've written with other people is essential, and this is what she said:

"As a writer you have to recognize audience. You can’t just go “you people just don't get it” and refuse to accept feedback, or you’re just going to be sitting there writing a lot of stuff that only you will ever read forever."

AWESOME!
And your teacher is right!

[LdyBelial]

Holding the Line!!!

But please? No CLOWNS!!!

[Neko Hibiki]

Squaresoft used to make reaaally excellent stuff. Remember 'Secret of Mana', 'Chrono Trigger', 'Final Fanatasy III'(SNES)? Then they merged with Enix and made good stuff. Not as good as they used to. But still good.

[Shiyamirai]

LdyBelial wrote...

Holding the Line!!!

But please? No CLOWNS!!!

:looks @ LdyBelial and Stuffs Bozo puppet in a box:
Well, 7 days til PAX.
and I read sonmeone's defense on indocTheory. They way it was explained made sense, but it just added to my fury at the fact that now I see ME3 as an incomplete game. And this house dosen't have one copy- it has two because of MP. So I am rather infuriated at them trying to suck out more money from me because I want a proper ending. Hell now it's just any kind of ending.


Edit: Added quote

Modifié par Shiyamirai, 31 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[Jere85]

Im happy Bioware actually made an official post about not posting anything on April 1st, so we can debunk all the threads with pranks with a simple url.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Shiyamirai wrote...

LdyBelial wrote...

Holding the Line!!!

But please? No CLOWNS!!!

:looks @ LdyBelial and Stuffs Bozo puppet in a box:
Well, 7 days til PAX.
and I read sonmeone's defense on indocTheory. They way it was explained made sense, but it just added to my fury at the fact that now I see ME3 as an incomplete game. And this house dosen't have one copy- it has two because of MP. So I am rather infuriated at them trying to suck out more money from me because I want a proper ending. Hell now it's just any kind of ending.


Edit: Added quote

You are far from the only one who feels this way.  I can see the Indoc theory, I understand the Indoc theory, and on paper it's a really cool way to go with the game.  HOWEVER, it should have been done with the game, not as an addon to the game after the fact.  First off, it looks like Bioware either a) snipped part of the ending to sell it to us or couldn't come up with their own ending and stole it from the fans.

Now, if it shows up free of charge after point X (i.e. PAX) then I can be somewhat forgiving, but still not happy with the way it was done.

[HITMAN629]

PAX may not reveil ending dlc but........ it may reveal the first Marauder Shields tattoo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darth Garrus]

People need to keep things civil. There's a difference in being direct, talking straight, to be rude. Or to be fun and ironic than to be annoying. The clown thing, if true, may be bad. They should think of a better way.

[-PG-Skyre]

So, anything new?

[IndustrializedTaco]

Coming back after a few days. Anything new on the line?


Btw guys sorry for grammer im using a phone

[Cybermortis]

Darth Suetam wrote...

People need to keep things civil. There's a difference in being direct, talking straight, to be rude. Or to be fun and ironic than to be annoying. The clown thing, if true, may be bad. They should think of a better way.

To quote everyones favourate AI; That was a joke.


Two more articles on Forbes, a formal warning from Bioware that they will NOT be releasing any statements on April 1st.

Beyond that, nothing new to report as far as I know.

[DJBare]

Folks, I've just had a thought(it happens sometimes), one popular feature on YouTube, the guys and gals who like to take their cameras and stir up trouble in public places just to film it and put it on YouTube, all you folks going to PAX, be very aware of these people.

[HITMAN629]

DJBare wrote...

Folks, I've just had a thought(it happens sometimes), one popular feature on YouTube, the guys and gals who like to take their cameras and stir up trouble in public places just to film it and put it on YouTube, all you folks going to PAX, be very aware of these people.

Faith Hilling South Park?

Modifié par HITMAN629, 31 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[mrderp27]

don't know if this was posted but the cupcakes sent to bioware were given to hungry kids in a youth shelter http://www.gamesrada...se-mass-effect/

wicked

Modifié par mrderp27, 31 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[KaiserinKai]

B.Shep wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

So uhh yeah. Anyone see the "True Ending" DLC for Asura's Wrath? I wonder if BW is waiting to see how many people at Capcom are crucified before announcing their plans. Btw if you didn't see it.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

This is normal for Capcom, that is why I no longer support them

Yeah...Capcom is completely destroying their series...

I've boycotted Capcom since they canceled Megaman Legends 3.... I only bought Capcom for the Megaman series and if they aren't releasing that, no thank you...

[christrek1982]

I thought that the cupcake idea was grate and what Bioware did with them was wonderful. It also keeps in the spirit of the retake movement of something good coming from this whole ending mess

Good on you bioware.

[Computim]

christrek1982 wrote...

I thought that the cupcake idea was grate and what Bioware did with them was wonderful. It also keeps in the spirit of the retake movement of something good coming from this whole ending mess

Good on you bioware.

Indeed!  I gotta admit I jumped the gun yesterday based off some incomplete news articles.  Reading through a bit more today I gotta say they probably couldn't have done any better... so my apologies to them for being rather harsh yesterday!