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[Meteor_VII]

Ender99 wrote...

Random side-note:

Is it normal for Gamestop to have like six used copies of ME 3 already on the shelves? I saw that last Tuesday when i walked in.

My sister works at a gamespot and I dunno about having six but I know gamespot does open a few on launch day to have used games even if they haven't had any turned in.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Ender99 wrote...

Random side-note:

Is it normal for Gamestop to have like six used copies of ME 3 already on the shelves? I saw that last Tuesday when i walked in.

Probably, I mean I see used games that are huge and brillaint being traded in all the time.

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Signing back on. Anything new?

BTW

I went to over to my Father's house earlier and while I was there my younger brother walks in and says "Hey, sis, did you here that they are changing the ending to Mass Effect?"

I started laughing and was like "yeah, I might've heard something about that." XD

hahaha yeah.  I've heard like bits here and there at work too.. it's kinda scary being part of something like this and no one realizing who else is involved but seemingly everyone knows at least ONE person who dislikes the ending.

I got people telling me all about the ending and how there are some people online "holding the line"...little did they know I was here as well 

Yeah haha.

This is kinda odd.. I just got an email from MassEffect@em.ea.com advertising http://masseffect.bi...ity/comm_center (which doesn't seem to work 100% for me) and "Thanks for joining the fight" and "See what the community is saying"

Unfortunately I'm not sure if it was put out without proofing it  since it says: Take a look at our <aggregator> site and see what everyone else is saying about mass effect 3.  (actually has the aggregator in html tags lol)  Neat effect.. you can even post Youtube videos about it if you tag them with #MassEffect3 or Mass Effect 3.
The email also was supposed to have my gamertag I think... but it just says Commander Shepard XBOX 360 and won't let me update.

Cool concept though, it's actually not only 'good' tweets on the main ME3 page... so kudos to them for not censoring the community though they obviously give preferential placement to "75 perfect reviews" from our completely unbiased gaming press *snickers*. 

[Darth_Acheron47]

Computim wrote...

This is kinda odd.. I just got an email from MassEffect@em.ea.com advertising http://masseffect.bi...ity/comm_center (which doesn't seem to work 100% for me) and "Thanks for joining the fight" and "See what the community is saying"

I got the same e-mail a couple of hours ago. I was just like, um... You guys are a little late to the party.

Still, interesting that they waited this long to send it out. I've had the game registered on Origin for about three weeks now. Maybe they're trying to generate more interest for their MP weekends or something...?

Either way, it's strange.

[Mastermadskills]

Not giving up.

Not surrendering.

Bioware owes me a good ending.

The line. I am holding it.

[Ender99]

Computim wrote...



Yeah haha.

This is kinda odd.. I just got an email from MassEffect@em.ea.com advertising http://masseffect.bi...ity/comm_center (which doesn't seem to work 100% for me) and "Thanks for joining the fight" and "See what the community is saying"

Unfortunately I'm not sure if it was put out without proofing it  since it says: Take a look at our <aggregator> site and see what everyone else is saying about mass effect 3.  (actually has the aggregator in html tags lol)  Neat effect.. you can even post Youtube videos about it if you tag them with #MassEffect3 or Mass Effect 3.
The email also was supposed to have my gamertag I think... but it just says Commander Shepard XBOX 360 and won't let me update.

Cool concept though, it's actually not only 'good' tweets on the main ME3 page... so kudos to them for not censoring the community though they obviously give preferential placement to "75 perfect reviews" from our completely unbiased gaming press *snickers*. 

Biased? What? IGN is never biased, I don't know what you're talking about.......

That is pretty cool though, I'm honestly surprised they're not censoring out the negative comments. That's the first point I can give them since this whole debacle started.

[Computim]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

Computim wrote...

This is kinda odd.. I just got an email from MassEffect@em.ea.com advertising http://masseffect.bi...ity/comm_center (which doesn't seem to work 100% for me) and "Thanks for joining the fight" and "See what the community is saying"

I got the same e-mail a couple of hours ago. I was just like, um... You guys are a little late to the party.

Still, interesting that they waited this long to send it out. I've had the game registered on Origin for about three weeks now. Maybe they're trying to generate more interest for their MP weekends or something...?

Either way, it's strange.

Well the fact that it's buggy as heck tells me, speaking as a developer, that it was probably done as a quick project last week and didn't have much testing done.  Which is a good thing.. it means we've got EA's PR team trying to get the community involved in a good way and it also means they're devoting staff to deal with us.. meaning they're making it a priority now

[Ihatebadgames]

Hope when they say "later in april" they mean THIS april.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Hope when they say "later in april" they mean THIS april.

Hahaha! oh that made me laugh 

[Ender99]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Hope when they say "later in april" they mean THIS april.

Don't give them any ideas!!!

[Darth_Acheron47]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Hope when they say "later in april" they mean THIS april.

Ha ha. Yeah. That would be the last nail in the coffin for me. "Oh, we never said what YEAR we meant..."

Next step would be boxing up the games and selling them or donating them or something.

[Computim]

xHezz90 wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Hope when they say "later in april" they mean THIS april.

Hahaha! oh that made me laugh 

Rofl yeah... When they said we would help craft the endings I didn't think they meant we'd actually hit the year 2149, find the Charon relay and then start the cycle of events in the trilogy before we hit the -real- endings

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Hold the line!

[Richard 060]

Reading that GiantBomb article made me realise yet another irritating misconception that some folk have gotten into their heads:

This fallacious notion of a 'fan ownership mentality', where people have become so personally invested in the game experience that they develop a warped perspective, and thus feel that the game is, in a sense, 'theirs'. Hence the ending controversy - BioWare failed to give fans the ending 'they' wanted for 'their' game.

Except, of course, it's a crock of presumptuous pop psychology, and it demeans and insults the intelligence of fans and players of the series in general.

If I see a movie, and the otherwise-stellar plot is let down by shoddy writing at the dénouement, then I'm perfectly entitled to say so. Just because this is a video game, doesn't mean that any negative opinion about it simply comes from being a entitled obsessive.

It's a dangerous and precarious state of affairs when people can so easily write off dissenting viewpoints, simply by smearing critics as not being able to 'think straight', or lacking sufficient intelligence to grasp what's being discussed. Either that, or there's a great many rampant egos out there, all of the mindset that "they don't agree with me, so therefore they must be morons".

In either case, it's presumably a great deal easier than trying to understand the perspectives of others, and in response, either change one's stance or defend it. You know, like rational, logical people...

[Nharia1]

*snuggles down under covers* I'm feeling really tired now, and its only 20:53.... ah well I'm going to sleep I'll be back later, nighty night peeps, keep holding the line! And remember, don't believe anything that gets "announced" this Sunday.

[JMA22TB]

Hey guys I'm with you on the endings, and have been working on something kinda crazy but has been fun as hell

http://social.biowar.../index/10830029

It's a rewrite of the ME trilogy, which yeah I know what?, but I if you could give me some feedback on the thread I would appreciate it.

A teaser - what if Shepard had a brother who was a major character in the story?

[Darth_Acheron47]

Richard 060 wrote...

Reading that GiantBomb article made me realise yet another irritating misconception that some folk have gotten into their heads:

This fallacious notion of a 'fan ownership mentality', where people have become so personally invested in the game experience that they develop a warped perspective, and thus feel that the game is, in a sense, 'theirs'. Hence the ending controversy - BioWare failed to give fans the ending 'they' wanted for 'their' game.

Except, of course, it's a crock of presumptuous pop psychology, and it demeans and insults the intelligence of fans and players of the series in general.

If I see a movie, and the otherwise-stellar plot is let down by shoddy writing at the dénouement, then I'm perfectly entitled to say so. Just because this is a video game, doesn't mean that any negative opinion about it simply comes from being a entitled obsessive.

It's a dangerous and precarious state of affairs when people can so easily write off dissenting viewpoints, simply by smearing critics as not being able to 'think straight', or lacking sufficient intelligence to grasp what's being discussed. Either that, or there's a great many rampant egos out there, all of the mindset that "they don't agree with me, so therefore they must be morons".

In either case, it's presumably a great deal easier than trying to understand the perspectives of others, and in response, either change one's stance or defend it. You know, like rational, logical people...

Agreed. I stopped when I got to the "in five years we'll all understand and love it" part. If it takes five years to wrap my head around this mess, no THANK you.

I like that they didn't just pull the "art" card and leave it at that, but the fact that they seem to think the lack of a sunny, happy ending is all that caused the problem just irritates me. Yes, I understand that it's a story about galactic warfare and not everything is going to work out - that not everyone is going to be happy and live through to the end of the story - but... Really? Is obliterating the entire franchise and annihaliting your fanbase the ONLY way this could possibly end?

All right, I think I'm getting a little too cynical and bitter for my own good. Think I'll head off for the night.

[Mythandariel]

Because art isn't appreciated until after the artist is dead...

[Debi-Tage]

Mythandariel wrote...

Because art isn't appreciated until after the artist is dead...

and sometimes it never is...and for good reasons, usually

[Darth Garrus]

That's it for today, my friends. Good night!

Hold the Line!!!

[Mythandariel]

G'nigt all! Hold the line.

[Ihatebadgames]

A movie just popped into my head.Can't remember the name had Dick VanDyke and James Garner starving artists in Paris.Anyway who thinks 90-98% of the DLC will be for multiplayer?Gotta sell them bullets.
Favorite scene in ME3 is when Wrex steps out into the cure,looks up and smiles.

[Xelv88]

Long post incoming, skip if you like... I won't hold it against you!

So the thread has gotten a little... fatalistic recently, what with PAX coming and the opinion that "clarification" can only mean that the artisitic disaster of the ending will stand forever or be completely undone and rewritten.  In addition, reflection has lead me to realize that every other time I've actually posted here, it's to be unequivocally negative as well.  So here's something different.

I was talking with a friend today about why I hadn't purchased a lottery ticket for the big Mega Millions lottery.  Being a scientist, I argued from the perspective of statistics.  Beyond just citing random things that were more likely to happen than winning the lottery (thanks, Shark Week), I made the case that living your life ignoring statistics was essentially living a life devoid of logic, in opposite of nature.  Only the fool sees all the information, can draw statistical siginifance from it, and promptly ignores it.  

After the conversation, I began to reflect on a couple things:

- Bioware is a great company filled with talented people that have, to date, demonstrated a capacity for caring about their games and their audience

- They haven't screwed up a storyline before, in my opinion.  BG, KOTOR/TOR, ME, DA... no screw ups.  Even up until the very end of the game in question, it held together.

- Management of final product release has not necessarily been flawless.  DA2 and TOR engame come to mind.  The games we play are not perfect, though errors seem more governed by management decisions concerning game content.

- EA has demonstrated a capacity for enacting fan-percieved attrocities in the pursuit of profit.  My favorite recent example is the BF3 "shortcuts".

Now I present you with two options:

#1) Bioware completely dropped the ball on the storyline of the ending.  And I mean to an extent that forces you to question if a sober, non-stoned human being actually had a part in it.  11th hour change, executives rushing, vendetta of second-tier writers trying to steal the story for themselves... you name it.

#2) Powers that be in management believed they could break a perfectly intact storyline off at the end and sell us the final piece as DLC.

To be honest, I've come to believe #2 is just simply more likely.  There is no reason based on past precedent to believe, no matter what the scenario we as disgruntled fans have concocted with little evidence of the inner workings of Bioware and their ME team, that the story writers would drop the ball so dramatically.  It's just not the statistically likely thing to happen.  Far more likely, in my humble opinion, is that in a greater context the ending makes sense and we got screwed over by greedy management.

My point is I would like to throw in my hat with the crowd that believes Bioware can fix this.  Not just rewrite a failure, but help us complete what is currently incomplete.  With Indoctrination Theory (or a derivative) being fulfilled, with something I can't think of, whatever.  I don't think Bioware's writers screwed the ending up and it needs to be completely rewritten - that necessitates a belief that it is more likely that a company with a perfect track record INCLUDING 95%+ of the very game in question screwed up in a (literally) historical way than... well, that Indoctrination Theory or some other interpretation was intended and simply was broken apart for the purpose of making more money.

So I'm now holding the line not just for us, the fans, but also for the team that wrote this ending.  Bioware, I believe you guys knew what you were doing.  Don't make me eat my words at PAX.

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On a brief side note, I feel someone might say "even if the story is complete, and it was broken apart when that wasn't at all what was originally intended for the point of 'true DLC' revenue, how could anyone involved believe that would be OK?!?!  How could they not know the emotional and psychological trauma that the fans would undergo?".  


As an analogy, I'd like to take the general writing process itself.  I'm guessing we can all at least remember an English paper we wrote at some point in our education where we edited and re-edited some argument, fixing grammar and little details, until we thought it was perfect.  We then handed it to a peer or a teacher, and were promptly told we missed an obvious error that made it difficult to understand what we were trying to say at some point.  We're confused - how did we miss something so obvious?  The answer is that we're programmed to see the whole, not the parts.  An author has foresight the reader lacks; he's seen the full picture already, while the reader has only the words in the present.

I'd imagine that's what a broken ending would be like.  Imagine Indoctrination Theory is correct, but in the complete, original story you're supposed to wake up and finish the fight.  The writers finish this and all high five at the awesomeness they've created.  They then learn that the waking up scene is going to be broken off and sold separately.  "That's stupid," they say, "but at least the ending will still be awesome".  They can't know the betrayal and depression we'd feel, because they already know how it really ends.  You can't find the error in the English paper because you know what you meant to say; the writer can't know the agony an incomplete ending would cause because they already knows the complete ending.  It's damn hard to relate with an incomplete present when you already know the complete future.  So perhaps that's why, all things considered, an incomplete - but in the greater scheme of things whole and awesome - ending came to pass.

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So, long post.  In any event, just wanted to lend some hope to the depression.  I've decided to switch sides and believe in Bioware.  It's just the logical thing to do.  

But being that I live in the "incomplete present", you better believe I'm still holding he line!

[Ishiken]

I posted this in a thread but since the boards are moving so fast. I don't think I will get an answer to it.

So the Synthesis ending would fuse organics and synthetics together and create this new harmonious peace. All organics would have synthetics fused into them. So what happens to the synthetics? Do they have organic parts fused into them as well? Legion stated that there were millions and millions of geth programs and most of them do not actually have a hardware platform and they exist mainly in servers. So how exactly do those Geth get fused with organics? Do they suddenly all turn into tiny Geth fetuses or something? Also there is EDI who exists primarily in the Normandy AI Core and in Dr. Eva Core's body. When EDI combines with organics, what happened to the parts of EDI that is in the AI Core? Does she have a giant half metal and half organic brain in the AI Core as well as the body? I am very curious.

[Ihatebadgames]

Ishiken wrote...

I posted this in a thread but since the boards are moving so fast. I don't think I will get an answer to it.

So the Synthesis ending would fuse organics and synthetics together and create this new harmonious peace. All organics would have synthetics fused into them. So what happens to the synthetics? Do they have organic parts fused into them as well? Legion stated that there were millions and millions of geth programs and most of them do not actually have a hardware platform and they exist mainly in servers. So how exactly do those Geth get fused with organics? Do they suddenly all turn into tiny Geth fetuses or something? Also there is EDI who exists primarily in the Normandy AI Core and in Dr. Eva Core's body. When EDI combines with organics, what happened to the parts of EDI that is in the AI Core? Does she have a giant half metal and half organic brain in the AI Core as well as the body? I am very curious.

Very good question!I have no idea.What does happen to normal computers?I could not pick synthesis as that would be forcing my world view on others.Plus it's what Saran wanted to do,I killed him.