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[quote]mass_zotz wrote...

[quote]Rdubs wrote...

[quote]BOML37 wrote...

If those are the endings then whatever, I'm still going to play. However, I have a really hard time believing that those are the only endings for ME3. Bioware can't be that dumb to not realize how much people are invested in this game to just say ok the Normandy  crashes somewhere random, Shepard is stranded or whatever. Your decisions don't matter yada yada yada. Until I actually play this game and attempt to get the ending I want then I won't believe these leaked videos and spoilers are it. Here's hoping...[/quote]

BOML I was once optimistic like you, then I saw this interview today with Mac Waters.  Pay attention to the highlighted part.

[quote]Rdubs wrote...

This interview with Walters just came out, look at what he says about how the story is written with regards to the whole "choices" thing.
[quote]RipTen: Throughout the series, there have been numerous memorable main and side quests where Shepard must make a critical decision. How did you decide which of these past choices would come back to help/haunt the Commander in Mass Effect 3? What kind of repercussions can players expect from their actions beyond the major plot points. We’re pretty sure the Rachni Queen and Collector Base decisions will affect the story, but what about those side quests?

MW: Most of the choices, and certainly the critical ones, will be reflected in Mass Effect 3 to some degree. The real work comes in trying to decide just how much each choice will impact Commander Shepard. If we addressed every choice with equal weight, we’d end up creating nothing more than a customized cutscene of all your past choices. But each game needs to stand on its own, with its own unique story, plots and choices. At the core, my job is to create a compelling framework for the story using the current status of the galaxy. Once that backbone is created, we can start to find ways to weave past choices and their consequences in to the story… to flesh out the main plot. But first and foremost, the core story has to be amazing. It has to blow you away, regardless of the different possibilities. That way, we can more certain that every possible version of the story is one that people will love, and hopefully remember for a long time to come.[/quote]

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......I......don't even know what to say

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I'm a long time lurker and long time avoider of participation of anything that goes on around here due to the crapfest that normally ensues. However .this post forced me to actually log on and  *gasp* post.

Good grief. Seriously? You are taking issue with the bolded text? You are finding fault with the writers' desire to  try to incorporate "past choices and their consequences" into the game once the core, the backbone, the nuts and bolts of the game have been created? 

He isn't saying they are actively trying to ignore, skip, bypass, work around these "past choices and their consequences" here.

You must be confusing past with pass.



One begins to wonder just how misconstrued these leaks have been if one person can misunderstand what Mac Walters has stated in an interview.  :( 


Hell. Anything not seen/heard in the right context can be misconstrued/misunderstood.  It doesn't help matters at all when some random person gets on their soap box on youtube to expound on  what they think should be the correct way of making a game.   It further doesn't help when that youtube user formulates their erroneous "ideas" on snippets posted.  It helps even less when that youtube user goes on a tirade on how game content was cut, therefore you are not getting a complete game.


On another point, if a person only focuses on the end result, what was the point of the journey?  Oh, that's right, it is to get to the end and get our reward. Oh yes. We should be rewarded for being good boys/girls for successfully completing the journey.  Give me that million dollar payoff.  Don't you dare give me a lump of coal.  I'm a loyal customer and have been with company x, y, z from day one and have paid x amount of money on games made by that company.  I am therefore entitled to get what I want.  Give me, give me, give me.  What I want is what I want. What you want to give me is not what I want. I don't care what you say as it is all PR crap. I don't care about what you want, it is what I want. Give me now.  Give me my sunshine and rainbows because i deserve it. I deserve it because I played your games from beginning to the end and spent zillions of hours getting immersed and caring about the world and the inhabitants you've crafted.  Give me my pot of gold or I will turn on you.

Seriously, what sort of mentality is that?

Shouldn't the journey be the reward as the destination isn't always pleasant?  In other words, look at the bigger picture. Look around you and see everything and not just the end result.  What's the saying? "Life is a journey and not a destination.'  If you're only focusing on the destination then you're only focusing on death.  Everyone dies in the end.

Buy the game or don't. Play the game or don't.  Formulate your own opinion based on playing the game yourself.

Oh yes. Opinions are like @ssholes. Everyone's got one.  Why should your opinion matter more than Biowares? After all. They are the ones who created the Mass Effect universe.  We are merely participants in a game where they have allowed us to influence the choices found in the game to a certain degree.  Ultimately, it is their story of Commander Shepard that they are trying to tell. Not your individual story that they want to tell. Theirs from a mere idea/concept to fruition and end.


Anyway, I've digressed and rambled on enough...

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xtorma wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Van Gogh's Starry Night

Amazingly beautiful and inspirational for some reason to me.


It looks like he painted it with his ear.


lol that would've made it even better.

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Johnnycide wrote...

So we're sure there's nothing after the Rave Disco Lights of Doom and the Normandy crashing? No Origin'esque power point presentation epilogue? If so I don't think it'd be very hard for a modder to make and add one.


Unreal is so freaking closed, and Bioware's file structures make it worse. Nearly impossible to even do a texture mod, much less something like that.

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

Why oh why did I read this in Paula Deen's voice?


Hamburger Helper, that's why.


Ironically, Paula Deen totally fits in there. Though I was thinking of that scene from Vacation when Cousin Eddie grilled hamburgers for everybody. That were made of hamburger helper, and didn't actually have any hamburger in it.

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In Mass effect we could not possibly even begin too comprehend the reapers motivations and goals for what they where doing. as said by sovereign, we are each a nation, independent. their numbers would darken the sky of every world. and of course the final battle where it took the entire fleet of every species to bring down sovereign, one reaper.

and now in Mass effect 3 you push a magic space button so you win the game and you end up alone because your crew suddenly decided to go on a space trip while the relays are exploding.

i mean come on bioware, seriously ?? wtf.....

Modifié par The Asari, 02 mars 2012 - 02:13 .


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Going to just say this again. For effect. They never promised a good ending, in fact they give us clear indication a happy sunshine ending wouldn't happen.

" Mass Effect 3 will not end like a traditional war story (Kick enemies ass, proceed to celebrations/calibrations)[PS3M] "

Modifié par Eterna5, 02 mars 2012 - 02:13 .


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at least if these endings are it, we'll know how the thought process went when dietz said 'here's what i wanna do'......i assume he added ' i can give you guys some tips on how to make me3 a humdinger'

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humes spork wrote...

Ironically, Paula Deen totally fits in there. Though I was thinking of that scene from Vacation when Cousin Eddie grilled hamburgers for everybody. That were made of hamburger helper, and didn't actually have any hamburger in it.


Why wasn't she the chef for the Normandy? DLC opportunity!

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

Why oh why did I read this in Paula Deen's voice?


Hamburger Helper, that's why.


Oh no......i kinda like hamburger helper.....guess i need to go out and buy a pair of overalls and a pickup truck :(

Modifié par xtorma, 02 mars 2012 - 02:19 .


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Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Van Gogh's Starry Night

Amazingly beautiful and inspirational for some reason to me.


Argh, damn, it was Picaso's Blue Period, but van Gogh had a similar period, just that's more of an unofficial name for it.

Stupid me...


Salvadore Dali -- some wildly innovative and thought-provoking, yet not depressing, art. Even 'The Scream' (by Edvard Munch) isn't so much sad as disturbing. Makes you wonder what is really going on there...just like the BW writing room. :huh:

(EDIT: clarifying that 'The Scream' was by Munch, not Dali)

Modifié par recentio, 02 mars 2012 - 02:15 .


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GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?

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I hate that in every pick of the opened up citadel all I see is the ark from H3...

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?


Thanks.  I don't beleive bioware would kill the franchise like this.

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recentio wrote...

Salvadore Dali -- some wildly innovative and thought-provoking, yet not depressing, art. Even 'The Scream' isn't so much sad as disturbing. Makes you wonder what is really going on there...just like the BW writing room. :huh:


He had some amazing stuff; crazy, but insanely imaginative. One of the top two surrealists.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I hate that in every pick of the opened up citadel all I see is the ark from H3...


Why did you say that!Image IPBNow i cant stop seeing it. Damn it !

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?


Except for the whole "people with the legitimate game in their hands" part.  Yeah, Space Edition...not one of BW's best ideas.  Then again, apparently they've had worse... :unsure:

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This will go down as the worst ending in any video game history, and they copied it!

Modifié par DifferentD17, 02 mars 2012 - 02:17 .


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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?

I'm not taking the chance with a pre-order, but I've said before I will happily buy the game (and the "Yo, Mon" Prothean DLC) if what we're hearing proves to be wrong.

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...

GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?


If I am wrong, I will gladly eat crow and rush out to buy the not-abysmally-depressing-and-relationship-butchering true version of ME3...I truly do not believe that will happen, though.

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DifferentD17 wrote...

This will go down as the worst ending in any video game franchise, and they copied it!


Haha, let that be a lesson in game designing: don't copy Deus Ex. Only the original can do it right.

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DifferentD17 wrote...

This will go down as the worst ending in any video game franchise, and they copied it!


Kind of premature to say when you have no knowledge of the specifics. 

But you said it so it must be true. 

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Eradyn wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?


Except for the whole "people with the legitimate game in their hands" part.  Yeah, Space Edition...not one of BW's best ideas.  Then again, apparently they've had worse... :unsure:


What part about NDA (NON-DISCLOSURE-AGREEMENT) do people not understand.  You talk about the game=you get a lawsuit.

#6623
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GSS115 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

GSS115 wrote...

Do I beleive...why yes. I think, I do.
Ladies and Gentelmen I think I know whats going on.
TTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What we are witnessing is Biowares feint against the pirates.

http://www.cracked.c...th-pirates.html

There's the reference.

You pirate the game, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE!  GOOD DAY SIR.
Meanwhile Bioware is feeding into Xio's statments with their silent consent.  Not to mention that that is a blatant NDA  violation.  They are torturing us for wanting to know ahead of time how it can end.

I've killed lies like this on the way to real problems.

At least I hope.  And to you cynics that hate on people like me.  The only thing you got is hearsay and 2nd hand vids.  And if you want to beleive in the Internet you go right ahead.


I still have some hope that you are right...:?


Except for the whole "people with the legitimate game in their hands" part.  Yeah, Space Edition...not one of BW's best ideas.  Then again, apparently they've had worse... :unsure:


What part about NDA (NON-DISCLOSURE-AGREEMENT) do people not understand.  You talk about the game=you get a lawsuit.

Not entirely true, sometimes you get off with a hefty fine or if they're really generous just a cease and desist letter.

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Why wasn't she the chef for the Normandy? DLC opportunity!


Have you seen Paula Deen's cooking? It's bad enough by the end of ME3 Shep has had gene therapy, (potentially) tech cybernetic and eezo node implants, and muscular, ocular, dermal, adrenal, nervous implants to boot no matter what. The last thing s/he needs is a quadruple bypass and a pacemaker.

I can see gameplay now:

<Renegade Interrupt>: HNNNGGG--- CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE

And I'm sure Garrus would be pleased as punch to be the first turian sufferer of type-2 diabetes.

Modifié par humes spork, 02 mars 2012 - 02:23 .


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Johnnycide wrote...

What part about NDA (NON-DISCLOSURE-AGREEMENT) do people not understand.  You talk about the game=you get a lawsuit.


Problem is that the people talking about the game didn't sign an NDA, except that tester. Unless you signed a legal document, the NDA doesn't apply.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 02:21 .