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[Missy_MI]

Xelv88 wrote...
The writers finish this and all high five at the awesomeness they've created.  They then learn that the waking up scene is going to be broken off and sold separately.  "That's stupid," they say, "but at least the ending will still be awesome".  They can't know the betrayal and depression we'd feel, because they already know how it really ends.  You can't find the error in the English paper because you know what you meant to say; the writer can't know the agony an incomplete ending would cause because they already knows the complete ending.

I see where you are coming from with this argument, but have to disagree.  At their very heart, BioWare games are about great storytelling.  And great storytelling, in my opinion, invokes emotion.  So far I haven't seen anyone who's played through all three Mass Effect games finish the genophage piece and say 'meh, that left me feeling empty, I could take it or leave it'.

Why is that?  Why did we feel something?  Because we were meant to feel something.  Because the creators of this series know how to craft characters with great depth to them, like Mordin and Wrex, that the players care about.  I don't believe for one second they could break off the real endings (if that is the case) and not know what that would do to the players. 

Emotional connection to the story and the characters is much of what has made the ME series so successful.  That the writers could be blind to that on purpose in the eleventh hour?  Not possible.  Brain does not accept.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Ishiken wrote...

I posted this in a thread but since the boards are moving so fast. I don't think I will get an answer to it.

So the Synthesis ending would fuse organics and synthetics together and create this new harmonious peace. All organics would have synthetics fused into them. So what happens to the synthetics? Do they have organic parts fused into them as well? Legion stated that there were millions and millions of geth programs and most of them do not actually have a hardware platform and they exist mainly in servers. So how exactly do those Geth get fused with organics? Do they suddenly all turn into tiny Geth fetuses or something? Also there is EDI who exists primarily in the Normandy AI Core and in Dr. Eva Core's body. When EDI combines with organics, what happened to the parts of EDI that is in the AI Core? Does she have a giant half metal and half organic brain in the AI Core as well as the body? I am very curious.

I doubt you will get any answers on this since the ending is just too nonsensical for words.

[CitizenSnips28]

Ishiken wrote...

I posted this in a thread but since the boards are moving so fast. I don't think I will get an answer to it.

So the Synthesis ending would fuse organics and synthetics together and create this new harmonious peace. All organics would have synthetics fused into them. So what happens to the synthetics? Do they have organic parts fused into them as well? Legion stated that there were millions and millions of geth programs and most of them do not actually have a hardware platform and they exist mainly in servers. So how exactly do those Geth get fused with organics? Do they suddenly all turn into tiny Geth fetuses or something? Also there is EDI who exists primarily in the Normandy AI Core and in Dr. Eva Core's body. When EDI combines with organics, what happened to the parts of EDI that is in the AI Core? Does she have a giant half metal and half organic brain in the AI Core as well as the body? I am very curious.

you may be thinking about this harder than the writers did, sadly. Its been said a million times before but space magic. I'd really love to hear someone try and explain how an energy wave turns people into half synthetics. Robot DNA? My biology is pretty rusty but I didn't think there was a circuit board gene. And yeah nothing is explained about what happens to full synthetics. Its a mess.

[Missy_MI]

Ishiken wrote...
So the Synthesis ending would fuse organics and synthetics together and create this new harmonious peace. All organics would have synthetics fused into them. So what happens to the synthetics? Do they have organic parts fused into them as well?

The whole synthesis ending confused the heck out of me.  Mostly because the Starchild says that the option would 'create a framework' for fused synthetic and organic life.

At first I took that to mean just some current life would be that way, or eventually all life would be fused.  But then when Joker got off the ship with EDI and he had little hexagons all over his arms (Sci-Fi = hexagons y'all) , then it seemed to mean more 'instantly fused'.

Which... yes brings up all the questions you have to which I'm not sure anyone has satisfactory answers.

[Neko Hibiki]

TamiBx wrote...

I just got back from babysitting seven 3 year old kids and I'm exhausted.
I also can't play any games ever since ME3 ending...
They all remind me of how awesome the ending could have been but wasn't...

Hmmm...

It could have really been worse Tami.

It could have been the Cutie Mark Crusaders you babysat instead, think about it now.^ _ ^

[infinitekilan]

www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/27/spoiled-mass-effect-3.aspx

Haven't watched it yet, so I have no input. Watching now.

[CitizenSnips28]

As for whether Bioware intentionally split off the real ending to be sold later, I sorta doubt it, if only because of how they have been handling this mess and how they seem a bit hurt and insulted that we don't love their three flavors of ending. I think if they really had plans for the real ending, it would be leaked by sympathetic BW employees once things became a crapstorm. Also I couldn't imagine official announcements to be so vague if that were the case. I'd think they'd start to blatantly hint that they had something cooked up that takes place AFTER the games end, not just the usual dlc that's supposed to take place before the final battle. I could be wrong but yeah, I think they genuinely meant for those to be the real ending. Perhaps they were rushed or maybe they felt they needed to do a civilization reset button to create a clean slate for Mass Effect 4guys and Commander Dirk Slabfists adventures through the new galaxy a few thousand years after the Shepard.

[Baboonballs]

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet or not. But looks like Bioware got the cupcakes. Well played Bioware, well played.   www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/722250/mass-effect-3-protest-cupcakes-donated-to-charity-by-bioware/

Modifié par Baboonballs, 31 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[BhallSpawn1011]

the ending was trash. fix it bioware

[laughing sherpa girl]

sitting here watching TED on the science channel, and jj abrams is speaking tonight.. Its amazing.. I now know what happened to Lost. Abrams cant keep a straight liner thought to save his live and i wonder if that may be similar to what happened with ME3.

[CitizenSnips28]

Hmm and yes its quiet in here. The usual heavy chatters are gone. Muahaha now maybe I lead the Retake movement. The cupcake thing wasreasonably successful, but you know what would REALLY get Bioware's attention? A new cupcake drive but delivered to my house. >.> Now that'd show them!

[bowery tuff]

Hey all. Forgive me if I break up a discussion but I've been watching a lot of old Star Trek lately and was delighted when watching the season 1 finale "Operation -- Annihilate," I saw something that seemed very familiar. A strange organism had invaded this planet and was injecting these living tissue samples into the humans on the planet and controlling them through pain. In fact, as Kirk's sister-in-law answered more questions, the worse the pain got. I immediately thought, "The Thorian! Awesome!"

Boy, it's always good to see some potential influences for Mass Effect. Then later on, Kirk was faced with a choice: Let the creatures spread or destroy the planet. Wow that is a tough choice and both kind of suck. What was Kirk's response? He rejected the choices laid out in front of him and made his own option. In time, they figured out a way to kill the creatures without killing the inhabitants or the infected Spock.

Just remember when you think back on the ending of ME3 to ask yourself, "What would Capt. James T. Kirk do?" He wouldn't accept one of three crappy choices from some strange AI and he would hold the line. He doesn't believe in no win scenarios and neither would Commander Shepard.

Please disregard post if indoctrination turns out to be true.

[CirusTheVirus666]

Heading to bed, hold the line people! One more week and we will finally see our fruits of labour...or I hope!

[Ihatebadgames]

How many will be holding the line after PAX?(Me!)BW/EA probably thinks we'll die off after PAX.

[TamiBx]

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

Hmm and yes its quiet in here. The usual heavy chatters are gone. Muahaha now maybe I lead the Retake movement. The cupcake thing wasreasonably successful, but you know what would REALLY get Bioware's attention? A new cupcake drive but delivered to my house. >.> Now that'd show them!

Are you talking about me? 

Lol JK. I'm just watching videos here, so haven't posted a lot. 

[TamiBx]

Neko Hibiki wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I just got back from babysitting seven 3 year old kids and I'm exhausted.
I also can't play any games ever since ME3 ending...
They all remind me of how awesome the ending could have been but wasn't...

Hmmm...

It could have really been worse Tami.

It could have been the Cutie Mark Crusaders you babysat instead, think about it now.^ _ ^

...I think I will take the seven 3 year old kids. 

Also, I was so glad they were too young to look like the Catalyst...they also weren't wearing grey hoodie. 

[CitizenSnips28]

TamiBx wrote...

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

Hmm and yes its quiet in here. The usual heavy chatters are gone. Muahaha now maybe I lead the Retake movement. The cupcake thing wasreasonably successful, but you know what would REALLY get Bioware's attention? A new cupcake drive but delivered to my house. >.> Now that'd show them!

Are you talking about me? 

Lol JK. I'm just watching videos here, so haven't posted a lot. 

Bah! I was hoping to consolidate power before any of you guys or gals returned. I could have had it all!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

How many will be holding the line after PAX?(Me!)BW/EA probably thinks we'll die off after PAX.

I will be holding the line until they fix the ending.

P.S. Sorry I wasn't saying anything for while guys, was having my dinner and watching the X-FILES 

[CitizenSnips28]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

How many will be holding the line after PAX?(Me!)BW/EA probably thinks we'll die off after PAX.

It really depends on Bioware. Alot of people left the line because they felt PAX will be where we get the answer, one way or another, and not before. I would agree though I still poke around on here to see what folks are chatting about. If Bioware gives us something good, I think things will die down majorly after a few days of congratulations. If Bioware gives us a clear "no ending change" I think some will come back to holding the line but alot will give up. Ill point out that that option will drive a pretty big wedge between BW and alot of their fans/customers. Lastly and what I'm most afraid of, they may try and walk the line still at PAX and give us more vague non answers. I think that will see the line grow again, at least for awhile. Still, I'm personally at the point where I just want an answer, one way or another.

[saracen16]

bowery tuff wrote...

Hey all. Forgive me if I break up a discussion but I've been watching a lot of old Star Trek lately and was delighted when watching the season 1 finale "Operation -- Annihilate," I saw something that seemed very familiar. A strange organism had invaded this planet and was injecting these living tissue samples into the humans on the planet and controlling them through pain. In fact, as Kirk's sister-in-law answered more questions, the worse the pain got. I immediately thought, "The Thorian! Awesome!"

Boy, it's always good to see some potential influences for Mass Effect. Then later on, Kirk was faced with a choice: Let the creatures spread or destroy the planet. Wow that is a tough choice and both kind of suck. What was Kirk's response? He rejected the choices laid out in front of him and made his own option. In time, they figured out a way to kill the creatures without killing the inhabitants or the infected Spock.

Just remember when you think back on the ending of ME3 to ask yourself, "What would Capt. James T. Kirk do?" He wouldn't accept one of three crappy choices from some strange AI and he would hold the line. He doesn't believe in no win scenarios and neither would Commander Shepard.

Please disregard post if indoctrination turns out to be true.

Only that Star Trek isn't Mass Effect, and Captain Kirk isn't Commander Shepard. Mass Effect never gave you an easy choice because you had consequences to fathom for each. Why can't you save both Ash and Kaidan? Why can't you save the Rachni Queen but send her to the Council so they can decide her fate? Why can't you keep the Collector Base from TIM and instead send it to the Alliance?

I doubt you can answer these questions because that was how Mass Effect was played out from the beginning.

[Debi-Tage]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

How many will be holding the line after PAX?(Me!)BW/EA probably thinks we'll die off after PAX.

I'll still be here.BW is wrong if that is what they think. I believe PAX will only revitalize conversations because even if nothing concrete comes out, I am almost positive people will be reading into things that happened or were insinuated!

[CitizenSnips28]

Hmm bed time for me. Good night/day all.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

How many will be holding the line after PAX?(Me!)BW/EA probably thinks we'll die off after PAX.

I'll still be here.BW is wrong if that is what they think. I believe PAX will only revitalize conversations because even if nothing concrete comes out, I am almost positive people will be reading into things that happened or were insinuated!

I agree with you. After PAX we will either be celebrating, wonder what the hell happened to us gettng answers or raging because they are doing bugger all.

Either way PAX is the turning point for us all.
Hoping It Is Good News!

[N7_Sniper91]

xHezz90 wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

How many will be holding the line after PAX?(Me!)BW/EA probably thinks we'll die off after PAX.

I will be holding the line until they fix the ending.

Same here. I'm not leaving till we get new endings, not "clarification".

[bowery tuff]

saracen16 wrote...

bowery tuff wrote...

Hey all. Forgive me if I break up a discussion but I've been watching a lot of old Star Trek lately and was delighted when watching the season 1 finale "Operation -- Annihilate," I saw something that seemed very familiar. A strange organism had invaded this planet and was injecting these living tissue samples into the humans on the planet and controlling them through pain. In fact, as Kirk's sister-in-law answered more questions, the worse the pain got. I immediately thought, "The Thorian! Awesome!"

Boy, it's always good to see some potential influences for Mass Effect. Then later on, Kirk was faced with a choice: Let the creatures spread or destroy the planet. Wow that is a tough choice and both kind of suck. What was Kirk's response? He rejected the choices laid out in front of him and made his own option. In time, they figured out a way to kill the creatures without killing the inhabitants or the infected Spock.

Just remember when you think back on the ending of ME3 to ask yourself, "What would Capt. James T. Kirk do?" He wouldn't accept one of three crappy choices from some strange AI and he would hold the line. He doesn't believe in no win scenarios and neither would Commander Shepard.

Please disregard post if indoctrination turns out to be true.

Only that Star Trek isn't Mass Effect, and Captain Kirk isn't Commander Shepard. Mass Effect never gave you an easy choice because you had consequences to fathom for each. Why can't you save both Ash and Kaidan? Why can't you save the Rachni Queen but send her to the Council so they can decide her fate? Why can't you keep the Collector Base from TIM and instead send it to the Alliance?

I doubt you can answer these questions because that was how Mass Effect was played out from the beginning.

It was just a bit of a light-hearted comparison but ok. :happy: I was leaning more toward the blind acceptance that synthetics would always overthrow organics despite the fact that I just proved there could be peace. I just have trouble believing that Shepard would blindly accept that with no resistance.