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[Capeo]

Eterna5 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

This will go down as the worst ending in any video game franchise, and they copied it!

Kind of premature to say when you have no knowledge of the specifics. 

But you said it so it must be true. 

Oh good God, man. We know the specifics. The guardian explains what the Reapers are, that they exist to stop AI from reaching singularity. He goes on to explain how each one is one species. Humans were going to be next. At this point you're half dead and limping around. He gives you three choices Destroy them, which involves walking down a long hall and shooting a panel, Control, in which case you become the new Guardian, or you can jump into the beam and meld organic life with synthetic life in the Synergy ending. In any event the crew is stranded or dies and Shep lives in one of the variations.  What is hard to understand about the fact that people have the game?  

Modifié par Capeo, 02 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[DBZMagus]

GSS115 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Yeah, troll people into wanting to not buy your game and ripping on your franchise. Generate negative hype before launch. Spectacular marketing decision. Again, if they knew pirates were going to get it anyways, why wouldn't they want to generate good hype/publicity instead of it being torn to shreds? And since when does winning a copy of the game to play it early count as pirating it?

No offense, but we here are the minority (the 1% lol).  The "copy from space" comes with an N...D...A...  Pleas read on it.  As stated before:  If you want to beleive in the internet you go right ahead.  Lets wait til the 6th and then start ****ing if needed.

The NDA is meaningless. The internet is anonymous, and Bioware has no way of tracing which people are leaking the information, especially if they hide their IPs which is easy to do. An NDA does not entitle Bioware to follow those people around and monitor them until release date.

[Unit-Alpha]

Aceattack wrote...

There is a reason I think a lot of this controversy is over blown. In this interview yesterday executive producer .

http://www.gamespot....tml?sid=6363842

About 20 minutes in he talks about wanting a satisfying ending , there is no one any where that believes a satisfying ending would be the whole universe goes to hell.

The power of marketing!

[Perkocet13]

www.youtube.com/watch

or even this one

[blueruin]

DBZMagus wrote...

Liedral wrote...

How about you jump to your conclusions on the ending once the game is released and not based on a script leak that is months old? Personally, bioWare would be shooting itself in the foot if there was no "happy" ending.

It should be difficult as heck to get, because you're fighting Reapers, not your kittens. If it's too easy to get (like "No one left behind, got it on my first run through") then it's pointless. Bittersweet? I would accept that.

Adds a replayability to it if you want your perfect ending. There has to be some consequences somewhere, this game is based on choices, options and morality. If you cut corners and expect the perfect ending, you're in for a surprise.

If there is no happy ending, I'm sure BioWare is expecting a trove of hate from the fans and maybe a huge drop in their profits because no one is going to keep buying their games if they emotionally invest players for 8+ years just to troll them. Would be a bad business move.

I need my happy ending, but I expect to work for it and I hope I'm not disapointed on how to obtain it. Even if I have to replay the damned game over and over and suffer through horrid heartbreak until I find the ending I'm happy with.

I don't think anyone is basing these statements on the leaked script. The game came out a while ago for some people who got the Space Edition, and they've been leaking things left and right. I believe them when they say the endings are all horrible.

Who else with the Space Edition has been posting about it, and where?  The only person I saw was Xoisite and he loved the game/ending so much he ordered the CE even though he already had two copies of it.

[Heathen Pride]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I get everything. I see forever.

Then is there a Paula Dean DLC in our future?!?
 
I must know!

WHY YES! Shepard is revived by her in a huge vat of butter and mayo.

Hahahah. Shepard sort of looked like an extremely burnt pot roast before being resurrected in ME2.

[DifferentD17]

Aceattack wrote...

There is a reason I think a lot of this controversy is over blown. In this interview yesterday executive producer .

http://www.gamespot....tml?sid=6363842

About 20 minutes in he talks about wanting a satisfying ending , there is no one any where that believes a satisfying ending would be the whole universe goes to hell.

I'd rather not watch 20mins of lies so I can watch some more.

[Zulmoka531]

Rdubs wrote...

xtorma wrote...

I have to agree with you. Even though i do not personally like the possible leaked endings, I do not really think it is going to cost BW much. It cost them my money, but that is such a small amount they wont even notice it. they made a decision to end the series on a dark note for you and your crew, and that is thier choice. I can voice my displeasure, but in the end....it really does not matter.

Xtorma I agree with you in the SHORT term.  You can always fool gamers into buying something ONCE.  After that, the quality of your product (coupled with the promises you made about it) determines if they trust you a second time around.  Anyone think DA3 is going to get nearly as many pre-orders as DA2 did, which built off DA:O (which was awesome)?  I doubt it, I think you'll see everybody adopt a "wait and see" mentality after getting burned like that no matter HOW much they try to hype that in DA3 they incorporated all of the lessons learned from DA2.  Same thing here, they have tons of pre-orders for ME3 based on the success of ME2 and people wanting to know how it ends, but if this turns out the way it looks that trust will be broken and whatever follow-up product they're planning won't do nearly as well as people will remember being burned by this.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"

[middlemarching]

Yeah, I'd like to see input firsthand from people with a copy of the Space Edition. Or at least screenshots of the marooned Normandy and crew.

[PosterAnonymous]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I get everything. I see forever.

Then is there a Paula Dean DLC in our future?!?
 
I must know!

WHY YES! Shepard is revived by her in a huge vat of butter and mayo.

Morelike there were so many preservatives in that crap that her physical form is over 200 years old...

And it hungers for flesh!!! 

[DifferentD17]

Heathen Pride wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I get everything. I see forever.

Then is there a Paula Dean DLC in our future?!?
 
I must know!

WHY YES! Shepard is revived by her in a huge vat of butter and mayo.

Hahahah. Shepard sort of looked like an extremely burnt pot roast before being resurrected in ME2.

We will all return to where we began.

[Rdubs]

Rdubs wrote [quoting Mac Walters]...
Once that backbone is created, we can start to find ways to weave past choices and their consequences in to the story… to flesh out the main plot. But first and foremost, the core story has to be amazing. It has to blow you away, regardless of the different possibilities. That way, we can more certain that every possible version of the story is one that people will love, and hopefully remember for a long time to come.

Soulfyre1 wrote...
Good grief. Seriously? You are taking issue with the bolded text? You are finding fault with the writers' desire to  try to incorporate "past choices and their consequences" into the game once the core, the backbone, the nuts and bolts of the game have been created? 

The issue is that the "core / backbone" is already pre-canned when we have been told all along the great thing about ME is that our choices will determine the outcome.  Pre-canned plots are fine for ME and ME2, but then there were a lot of promises about how since ME3 would be the end it didn't have to follow a pre-canned storyline, it could branch off into wildly different endings.  And yet here we are.

Shouldn't the journey be the reward as the destination isn't always pleasant? 

Using this defense conceeds that the destination sucks, which is the point of this thread.  A lot of people, myself included, had decent expectations for the ending.  Those expectations were not mitigated along the way by Bioware trying to temper down people's expectations by saying things like "guys you should know the ending is largely pre-canned" - in fact they actively marketed the opposite.

We are merely participants in a game where they have allowed us to influence the choices found in the game to a certain degree.  Ultimately, it is their story of Commander Shepard that they are trying to tell. Not your individual story that they want to tell.

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

[ratzerman]

So now Priestly is tweeting fake ME3 spoilers. I'm glad he finds this so amusing.

[kingsims]

Casey hudson said deception was great and it was a great disappointment instead. Did he lie, not really.... he just didn't give the full story.

[Capeo]

Nobody had to sign an NDA for the Space Edition. And NDA, which is nearly impossible to enforce anyway, would be in no way binding in a give away situation. There are two people on this board that were at the Vegas event. They asked you to sign an affidavit and apparently people weren't even doing that. Crap gets leaked constantly. Entire movies. No one ever gets sued. It's not worth it.

[humes spork]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Heathen Pride wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

WHY YES! Shepard is revived by her in a huge vat of butter and mayo.

Hahahah. Shepard sort of looked like an extremely burnt pot roast before being resurrected in ME2.

We will all return to where we began.

Finally, what I've always wanted to play. Fat Shepard. It worked for Apollo in the BSG remake, so why the crap not?

Dear god, imagine the damage biotic charge could do from Fat Shepard.

[Weltenschlange]

Raxxman wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Well the endings are pretty much deus ex. I posted this previously.

Synthesis - JC uploads himself to Helios and now humanity is one and together and he controls all of earths electronics including microchips. JC no longer exists as a single entity.

Destroy - JC says this is all wrong and destroys Helios which then humanity is plunged into a dark age. JC supposedly escapes or dies in the explosion.

Control - JC decides to preserve helios and gives power to the illuminanti which he becomes a member of giving the illumanti total control of humanity.

See the similarities? Btw for anyone who has not played Deus Ex go play it, its way ahead of its time.

Do you also find it ironic that the writers said that there'd be 'no Deus Ex' in the ending.

I'm not sure if I would call it ironic.   

Anyway - assuming that these are the actual endings, what I find so unsatisfying about them is not the fact that they were seemingly "inspired" by the original Deus Ex (of which I have many fond memories), but that they clash so violently with the overall tone of the Mass Effect series.

To me the ME trilogy is essentially a space opera with some hard-SF elements. In my experience space operas tend to have an overall positive outcome even if there is doom and gloom inbetween. ME 1 and 2 both had an overall optimistic sense of "we can do this". Even the 'suicide mission' could be turned into a full success given some effort.

And now with ME3 we apparently get endings that are very fitting for a dystopian game like Deus Ex, but to me seem absolutely out of place in a space opera like Mass Effect.

I don't know anymore...

[corkey sweet]

this is turning out to be another Dragon age 2. the endings are un-avoidable

[Goose1004]

ratzerman wrote...

So now Priestly is tweeting fake ME3 spoilers. I'm glad he finds this so amusing.

who? and Link!

[DifferentD17]

ratzerman wrote...

So now Priestly is tweeting fake ME3 spoilers. I'm glad he finds this so amusing.

I'm glad he represents Bioware.

[Raxxman]

Rdubs wrote...

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

I guess the point is all the ME games end in a similar manner, the conclusion to the first one is essentially the same be it Renegade or Paragon, as is the second one (with a non-canonical Shepard dies ending). The 3rd game is not changing the formula.

It's really no different. Shepard was always going to end up in the same place, you only infulence how he got there (and even then, in relatively minor ways)

[blueruin]

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

Well, ideals meet reality then, lesson learned?  Just imagine for a moment about what the development process for a game like Mass Effect 3 would have to involve.  The production costs, animation, voice acting alone.  Think about the logistics of trying to write to the variables laid out from the previous two games and the amount of planning that would take.  The budget and time constraints.  To expect a multitude of wildly divergent narratives branching off from the main story is not realistic.  Especially when the vast majority of people who buy your games are not going to play through multiple times and see all of the content they invested time and money into.

Games with choice are as good as they are, right now.  And they're pretty good  Why don't you just try to enjoy the ride?

Modifié par blueruin, 02 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[Patriota125]

This SHlT is still going on?

Don't you get it?

FACTS:

Twilight fangirls crying because his hero died and the whole crew included claiming "Bioware destroyed their series". How exactly are they destroying Mass Effect? I can't see it, how are they destroying it? Stop b.i.t.chin and just cancel your preorder-

[CerberusSoldier]

dam EA first you learned that BF 3 on the consoles sucked ass now you are finding out that Mass Effect 3 is garbage . not a good few months for you

[DifferentD17]

humes spork wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Heathen Pride wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

WHY YES! Shepard is revived by her in a huge vat of butter and mayo.

Hahahah. Shepard sort of looked like an extremely burnt pot roast before being resurrected in ME2.

We will all return to where we began.

Finally, what I've always wanted to play. Fat Shepard. It worked for Apollo in the BSG remake, so why the crap not?

Dear god, imagine the damage biotic charge could do from Fat Shepard.

Think of how much harder it would be to kill him/her.