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[Darkspazztic]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

What if they tell us it was all "april fools" and then actually them telling us is an "april fool"?

An April Fool's inside of an April Fool's?

Someone call DiCaprio.

[Major Swift]

Off topic for one second, I was watching LoTR again(due to that comic/pic thing that someone made about ME3 ending/marauder shields) and two things came to mind, Elrond could have destroyed the ring 3000 years before frodo came along by killing isildur and throwing the ring in or hell even just throwing him in the lava, and why didn't they ride the eagles to mt doom, on topic, even the ME3 MP has stopped being fun for me, I can't even play anything now lol

[gekko513]

KaiserinKai wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

I hope they don't change the endings. Sure, add an epilogue with explanations or something, but if they actually change the endings as they are, then I'll be disappointed.

Can you explain to us why people acctually like this ending beyond "The hero sacrificing himself"? Because we could easily get an ending like that without the plot holes, god kid AIs and OOC characters...

Not trying to be rude, I just can't see why anyone would like the ending...

Well, my interpretation of the "god kid appearance" is that the reapers are communicating using the same brain wave stuff they've used throughout the game and pick an appearance that holds big significance to Shepard, that kid that he couldn't save back when he left earth and made a big impression on him/her. To me that seems obvious, but I can't speak for what the writers intentions were.

I can't say I remember any glaring plot holes in the synthesis ending, which is the only one I've tried. I'm sure there are some if I wanted to tear it apart. I was just left with a sense of wonder... a sadness that the game was over... and, yeah, I also wish to know more about how the story goes on for important people and planets.

[DJBare]

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

Modifié par DJBare, 01 avril 2012 - 12:42 .

[Matt_gekko88]

Major Swift wrote...

Off topic for one second, I was watching LoTR again(due to that comic/pic thing that someone made about ME3 ending/marauder shields) and two things came to mind, Elrond could have destroyed the ring 3000 years before frodo came along by killing isildur and throwing the ring in or hell even just throwing him in the lava, and why didn't they ride the eagles to mt doom, on topic, even the ME3 MP has stopped being fun for me, I can't even play anything now lol

Yeah, I know.

[Computim]

Major Swift wrote...

Off topic for one second, I was watching LoTR again(due to that comic/pic thing that someone made about ME3 ending/marauder shields) and two things came to mind, Elrond could have destroyed the ring 3000 years before frodo came along by killing isildur and throwing the ring in or hell even just throwing him in the lava, and why didn't they ride the eagles to mt doom, on topic, even the ME3 MP has stopped being fun for me, I can't even play anything now lol

Well the dark armies of Sauron were still in Mordor before Aragorn called them out and gave them that opening.  As well, Sauron's eye was still searching for them.  You might remember where Frodo and Samwise were hiding amongst the flats in Mordor not knowing what they were going to do.

[chmarr]

Harorrd wrote...

ok THIS one i like

~bro hoofs the brony~

Modifié par chmarr, 01 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Ender99]

DJBare wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

I agree. Even IF they are still able to travel to different solar systems, they have no way to get enough fuel to make it there. Heck, the Normandy can barely make it to different systems in the same cluster, let alone a completely different system. Plus, what about food? Especially for the Turians and Quarians? Or the colonies that don't have FTL ships?

Yeah.....I think I'd prefer the quick death....

[Ender99]

Computim wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Anything new happen while I was off?

Mojang/Notch (creators of Minecraft) released their april fools joke and much laughter and crying in hilarity ensued:

Mars Effect

Eeeeee!! I want it! XD

[TSC_1]

gekko513 wrote...

I hope they don't change the endings. Sure, add an epilogue with explanations or something, but if they actually change the endings as they are, then I'll be disappointed.

Why? Just don't download the DLC, and you get to keep your preferred endings.

[Alamandorious]

DJBare wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

Better question:

Why does it say in the ME3 secondary codex under the section 'The Reaper War' under the subheading 'Desperate Measures' that when a relay explodes that it ruins all terrestrial planets in its solar system?  And doesn't mention anything about it specifically having to be an asteroid hitting it to cause this?

Might wanna ask those peeps that, too

[FinalEndeavor]

After the Geth virtual world i just got done talking to joker and he says how do you know if you are really out and you are just seeing a simulation.

i will now use that as canon and believe the endings are fake!

[Ender99]

Alamandorious wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

Better question:

Why does it say in the ME3 secondary codex under the section 'The Reaper War' under the subheading 'Desperate Measures' that when a relay explodes that it ruins all terrestrial planets in its solar system?  And doesn't mention anything about it specifically having to be an asteroid hitting it to cause this?

Might wanna ask those peeps that, too

I never noticed that, but it is good to know. Thanks. So now everyone is dead basically, no need to wait until they starve.

Modifié par Ender99, 01 avril 2012 - 12:53 .

[Mythandariel]

Ender99 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

Better question:

Why does it say in the ME3 secondary codex under the section 'The Reaper War' under the subheading 'Desperate Measures' that when a relay explodes that it ruins all terrestrial planets in its solar system?  And doesn't mention anything about it specifically having to be an asteroid hitting it to cause this?

Might wanna ask those peeps that, too

I never noticed that, but it is good to know. Thanks. So now everyone is dead basically, no need to wait until they starve.

That bar tab is gonna be high...

[Dj14365]

Mythandariel wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
 So now everyone is dead basically, no need to wait until they starve.

That bar tab is gonna be high...

They need to just pray to the enkindlers, goddess, insert other religious leaders that they go to Turian heaven. I heard that they have an open bar.

[gekko513]

Debi-Tage wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

Because those endings are the intentional conclusion of the story that has been building up throughout the whole series. The sacrifice and the hard choice that Shepard is making is almost symbolic given all the others that have sacrificed themselves for their cause: Mordin, Legion, Ashley/Kaidan and the countless others. If they cave in and feel forced to give people a happy ending with Shepard and his/her love interest, then that would be an example of how simple, easy to digest and streamlined titles on a big budget are being forced to become because the audience "demands it".

That would be a sad state of things, because that means anything on a big budget will have to follow similar cookie cutter stories and the gaming community as a whole will be less interesting, hold less opportunity for creative storytelling and entertainment.

Sure, they could fix plot holes, although I didn't really find any important ones on my first play through, and personally I'd like to know a little bit about the consequences of the story choices for the future of Tuchanka and such.

I think they should add a Q and A epilogue where a child named after Shepard asks a former squad member or love interest of Shepard about all these things after having been told the story about the great hero who saved the galaxy. A bit like Dumbledore and Harry Potter in the first Harry Potter book/movie when Dumbledore explains everything to Harry after Voldemort was defeated.

How would an epilogue fix the plotholes...and how can the relays exploding not be considered a plothole? What about the Normandy crash? and why Joker was fleeing? and how Shepard breathes in some rubble in London if s/he was just in a space explosion? and how creating synthetics to destroy organics so organics wouldn't create synthetics that destroy organics makes any sense? or how your crew that was with you on the approach made it to the Normandy to be stranded on some random planet could have happened? Your crew would never have abandoned you...or the unlimited ammo pistol?  Just curious how a few minutes of an epilogue would fix that?

Well, again the way I interpreted the ending: After Shepard makes his final choice, the Crucible powers up, and leads to a "it's gonna blow" pick up and evacuation by the Normandy. That's possible because the reapers know it's no point now that the Crucible has been activated and don't fight anymore, and that's natural for the squad and Joker who really don't know what the explosion will do. The relays are the means by which the Crucible can spread the energy of the explosion throughout the galaxy. The crucible was obviously designed to use them or it wouldn't really be helpful building only one, and the design would have included instructions to build several.

The dilemma and choice for the future between organics and synthetics has been the main theme and build of the entire story. If the ending turned into a good guys beat bad guys and everyone lived happily every after, that would make the previous build up and revelations of the reapers thought process and actions pointless, and then things would really not make any sense.

Breathing in some rubble in London? I don't follow you there.

Unlimited ammo pistol... nitpicking, but yeah, sure, I can see that might be a plot hole.

Modifié par gekko513, 01 avril 2012 - 01:21 .

[Cybermortis]

Ender99 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

I agree. Even IF they are still able to travel to different solar systems, they have no way to get enough fuel to make it there. Heck, the Normandy can barely make it to different systems in the same cluster, let alone a completely different system. Plus, what about food? Especially for the Turians and Quarians? Or the colonies that don't have FTL ships?

Yeah.....I think I'd prefer the quick death....

Time to read you the Lore.

FTL drives build up a charge when used, this charge has to be discharged in a gravity well. (There are a number of planets where this is noted ships discharge the drive core in ME1&2).

So FTL, as opposed to relay, travel is limited to systems relatively close to the nearest relay or at least planetary bodies that have a strong enough gravitational field to allow the core to be discharged.

So no, the Quarian's, Turians, Asari, Rachni and Geth are not getting home by using their ships FTL engines.

[Ender99]

Dj14365 wrote...

Mythandariel wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
 So now everyone is dead basically, no need to wait until they starve.

That bar tab is gonna be high...

They need to just pray to the enkindlers, goddess, insert other religious leaders that they go to Turian heaven. I heard that they have an open bar.

And hopefully a never-ending tap.

[VyseN1]

That's my biggest issue with the ending. Either the Mass Relays exploding destroys all the major races home worlds, or everyone is stranded in the Sol system. Earth's infrastructure is destroyed, so they couldn't support that huge armada. Also, I imagine that the ships are in poor condition after that huge battle, probably not in good enough shape to make a long journey across the galaxy.

[Computim]

Cybermortis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Ender99 wrote...
Anything new happen while I was off?

Yeah, I just had a thought I posted in another thread, folk have been saying that even with the relays destroyed the alien ships around earths orbit can still get home, it will just take them longer, my question is, where are they going to get the fuel and supplies for such a journey?, the Normandy used up a lot of fuel while flying from one system to another.
So maybe my Shepard did not commit mass murder after all, he just condemned them to a slow miserable death.
I feel so relieved.

I agree. Even IF they are still able to travel to different solar systems, they have no way to get enough fuel to make it there. Heck, the Normandy can barely make it to different systems in the same cluster, let alone a completely different system. Plus, what about food? Especially for the Turians and Quarians? Or the colonies that don't have FTL ships?

Yeah.....I think I'd prefer the quick death....

Time to read you the Lore.

FTL drives build up a charge when used, this charge has to be discharged in a gravity well. (There are a number of planets where this is noted ships discharge the drive core in ME1&2).

So FTL, as opposed to relay, travel is limited to systems relatively close to the nearest relay or at least planetary bodies that have a strong enough gravitational field to allow the core to be discharged.

So no, the Quarian's, Turians, Asari, Rachni and Geth are not getting home by using their ships FTL engines.

Not to mention regular FTL is -slow-.. the whole reason for the mass relays added were to get over this scientific hurdle.  Anyone who's ever watched Star Trek voyager realizes, even at like 6069 times the speed of light (Warp 9.975) it was supposed to take the Voyager ship like 75 years to go 1/4 of the way across the galaxy.  Shepard would do an outer rim jump and be back to the Citadel before they finished cleaning up the glass from the last alien attack

[VyseN1]

Cybermortis wrote...


FTL drives build up a charge when used, this charge has to be discharged in a gravity well. (There are a number of planets where this is noted ships discharge the drive core in ME1&2).

So FTL, as opposed to relay, travel is limited to systems relatively close to the nearest relay or at least planetary bodies that have a strong enough gravitational field to allow the core to be discharged.

So no, the Quarian's, Turians, Asari, Rachni and Geth are not getting home by using their ships FTL engines.

Wow, didn't realize that. Does Bioware read it's own lore for goodness sake?!!

[Ender99]

VyseN1 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...


FTL drives build up a charge when used, this charge has to be discharged in a gravity well. (There are a number of planets where this is noted ships discharge the drive core in ME1&2).

So FTL, as opposed to relay, travel is limited to systems relatively close to the nearest relay or at least planetary bodies that have a strong enough gravitational field to allow the core to be discharged.

So no, the Quarian's, Turians, Asari, Rachni and Geth are not getting home by using their ships FTL engines.

Wow, didn't realize that. Does Bioware read it's own lore for goodness sake?!!

Apparently not......

[Computim]

VyseN1 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...


FTL drives build up a charge when used, this charge has to be discharged in a gravity well. (There are a number of planets where this is noted ships discharge the drive core in ME1&2).

So FTL, as opposed to relay, travel is limited to systems relatively close to the nearest relay or at least planetary bodies that have a strong enough gravitational field to allow the core to be discharged.

So no, the Quarian's, Turians, Asari, Rachni and Geth are not getting home by using their ships FTL engines.

Wow, didn't realize that. Does Bioware read it's own lore for goodness sake?!!

You'd think a company like Bioware would require you read some sort of Story Technical Bible before you worked on writing for it... Star Trek required it, Star Wars required it before you could even do the art for them... most major science fiction art required it because part of that artistic integrity is keeping to the integrity of the story line, of which, the science is a large portion, and it wasn't like Star Wars where you could just cast aside most science... the first two games, and 95% of this paid specific attention to ensuring that the universe had reasons where the standard laws of physics didn't apply..

[Major Swift]

Computim wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Off topic for one second, I was watching LoTR again(due to that comic/pic thing that someone made about ME3 ending/marauder shields) and two things came to mind, Elrond could have destroyed the ring 3000 years before frodo came along by killing isildur and throwing the ring in or hell even just throwing him in the lava, and why didn't they ride the eagles to mt doom, on topic, even the ME3 MP has stopped being fun for me, I can't even play anything now lol

Well the dark armies of Sauron were still in Mordor before Aragorn called them out and gave them that opening.  As well, Sauron's eye was still searching for them.  You might remember where Frodo and Samwise were hiding amongst the flats in Mordor not knowing what they were going to do.

Well that makes sense(meant when they started out from rivendell, but that still is understandable) Elrond isn't off the hook though lol, he literally could have ended it right there instead of let isildur walk off haha

[Cybermortis]

Ender99 wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...


FTL drives build up a charge when used, this charge has to be discharged in a gravity well. (There are a number of planets where this is noted ships discharge the drive core in ME1&2).

So FTL, as opposed to relay, travel is limited to systems relatively close to the nearest relay or at least planetary bodies that have a strong enough gravitational field to allow the core to be discharged.

So no, the Quarian's, Turians, Asari, Rachni and Geth are not getting home by using their ships FTL engines.

Wow, didn't realize that. Does Bioware read it's own lore for goodness sake?!!

Apparently not......

It is the sort of thing that players might miss, since they (thankfully) decided not to include the Normandy having to discharge its drive core every five minutes when you were exploring.

As for Bioware...given all the other plot holes they managed to cram into the last 5 minutes this is a rather mild one...as opposed to, say, every living being that was anywhere near a relay having been turned into ash.


One has to wonder what kind of culture the 'Stargazer' comes from, if they worship an individual who condemmed 98% of the known Galaxy to death on the advice of a transparent child.