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[corkey sweet]

Raxxman wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

I guess the point is all the ME games end in a similar manner, the conclusion to the first one is essentially the same be it Renegade or Paragon, as is the second one (with a non-canonical Shepard dies ending). The 3rd game is not changing the formula.

It's really no different. Shepard was always going to end up in the same place, you only infulence how he got there (and even then, in relatively minor ways)

yep. all the "its your sheperd" was all hogwash

[XX55XX]

Is anyone still really upset by the endings? I find myself not caring anymore.

But, the BSN forums will make for GREAT reading in a few days. Can't wait for that. I can't wait to see the endless arguments and debates that ensue. Almost looking forward to that as much as the game itself.

[Fafner_Ni]

Patriota125 wrote...

This SHlT is still going on?

Don't you get it?

FACTS:

Twilight fangirls crying because his hero died and the whole crew included claiming "Bioware destroyed their series". How exactly are they destroying Mass Effect? I can't see it, how are they destroying it? Stop b.i.t.chin and just cancel your preorder-

Ah, the idiot is back.

[Bomb In My Pants]

XX55XX wrote...

Is anyone still really upset by the endings? I find myself not caring anymore.

But, the BSN forums will make for GREAT reading in a few days. Can't wait for that. I can't wait to see the endless arguments and debates that ensue. Almost looking forward to that as much as the game itself.

I am somewhat disappointed by the endings that have made it out, but as I said earlier today, there are likely more endings than the ones we have seen alone.

[CerberusSoldier]

blueruin wrote...

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

Well, ideals meet reality then, lesson learned?  Just imagine for a moment about what the development process for a game like Mass Effect 3 would have to involve.  The production costs, animation, voice acting alone.  Think about the logistics of trying to write to the variables laid out from the previous two games and the amount of planning that would take.  The budget and time constraints.  To expect a multitude of wildly divergent narratives branching off from the main story is not realistic.  Especially when the vast majority of people who buy your games are not going to play through multiple times and see all of the content they invested time and money into.

Games with choice are as good as they are, right now.  And they're pretty good  Why don't you just try to enjoy the ride?

   


This ride is not even worth the trouble of playing . whats the point you are not taking back Earth or saving the galaxy . you are destroying it no matter what .

[crimzontearz]

XX55XX wrote...Is anyone still really upset by the endings? I find myself not caring anymore.But, the BSN forums will make for GREAT reading in a few days. Can't wait for that. I can't wait to see the endless arguments and debates that ensue. Almost looking forward to that as much as the game itself.

yep...still pissed

[webhead921]

Wowzers this thread is big. The endings are not the best, but it could be worse. I'm glad I pre-ordered it. I had fun playing the single player demo with every class, so I want the full game.

Also, there are endings to sub-plots that I am invested in. What happens regarding the krogan genophage? How will the quarian/geth thing get resolved? What are Miranda and Jacob up to now that they are no longer Cerberus? Etc. Etc. I still want these answers, even if things end up sucking for the Normandy and Shep.

Also, for the record, I have no problem with the idea of the relays being destroyed. I'm just curious to see the stranded normandy/shepard for myself.

[humes spork]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Think of how much harder it would be to kill him/her.

Well, Fat Shepard might have more damage reduction and health, but the hitbox would be bigger and Fat Shepard would have a harder time taking cover. Not to mention storming might not work quite as well. So, I think it would balance out in the end.

[Sashimi_taco]

I have been working on perfect playthroughs for YEARS with each one i hoped to have a perfect ending with different people. The majority of people have perect bring them back alive saves. Why on earth would bioware make it so they are just gone and whatever else and not WITH shepard in the end if we showed we cared that much?

You know what? I don't even care about the colony. Even if everyone died a slow death, at least let my shepard die a slow death WITH the crew. That would be sad and tragic or whatever else people want. I just want them to be together.

[Unit-Alpha]

Patriota125 wrote...

This SHlT is still going on?

Don't you get it?

FACTS:

Twilight fangirls crying because his hero died and the whole crew included claiming "Bioware destroyed their series". How exactly are they destroying Mass Effect? I can't see it, how are they destroying it? Stop b.i.t.chin and just cancel your preorder-

GTFO guy! Where've you been?

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

XX55XX wrote...

Is anyone still really upset by the endings? I find myself not caring anymore.

But, the BSN forums will make for GREAT reading in a few days. Can't wait for that. I can't wait to see the endless arguments and debates that ensue. Almost looking forward to that as much as the game itself.

u really mean the great poo storm of our time

i'll be eagerly anticipating that.

[humes spork]

Fafner_Ni wrote...

Patriota125 wrote...

This SHlT is still going on?

Don't you get it?

FACTS:

Twilight fangirls crying because his hero died and the whole crew included claiming "Bioware destroyed their series". How exactly are they destroying Mass Effect? I can't see it, how are they destroying it? Stop b.i.t.chin and just cancel your preorder-

Ah, the idiot is back.

He must really like Twilight.

[Sashimi_taco]

webhead921 wrote...

Wowzers this thread is big. The endings are not the best, but it could be worse. I'm glad I pre-ordered it. I had fun playing the single player demo with every class, so I want the full game.

Also, there are endings to sub-plots that I am invested in. What happens regarding the krogan genophage? How will the quarian/geth thing get resolved? What are Miranda and Jacob up to now that they are no longer Cerberus? Etc. Etc. I still want these answers, even if things end up sucking for the Normandy and Shep.

Also, for the record, I have no problem with the idea of the relays being destroyed. I'm just curious to see the stranded normandy/shepard for myself.

The relays are not what people are mad about. It is the fact that your LIs and crew are left stranded on a random planet and you never get the see them again if you live.

[DeinonSlayer]

Weltenschlange wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Well the endings are pretty much deus ex. I posted this previously.

Synthesis - JC uploads himself to Helios and now humanity is one and together and he controls all of earths electronics including microchips. JC no longer exists as a single entity.

Destroy - JC says this is all wrong and destroys Helios which then humanity is plunged into a dark age. JC supposedly escapes or dies in the explosion.

Control - JC decides to preserve helios and gives power to the illuminanti which he becomes a member of giving the illumanti total control of humanity.

See the similarities? Btw for anyone who has not played Deus Ex go play it, its way ahead of its time.

Do you also find it ironic that the writers said that there'd be 'no Deus Ex' in the ending.

I'm not sure if I would call it ironic.   

Anyway - assuming that these are the actual endings, what I find so unsatisfying about them is not the fact that they were seemingly "inspired" by the original Deus Ex (of which I have many fond memories), but that they clash so violently with the overall tone of the Mass Effect series.

To me the ME trilogy is essentially a space opera with some hard-SF elements. In my experience space operas tend to have an overall positive outcome even if there is doom and gloom inbetween. ME 1 and 2 both had an overall optimistic sense of "we can do this". Even the 'suicide mission' could be turned into a full success given some effort.

And now with ME3 we apparently get endings that are very fitting for a dystopian game like Deus Ex, but to me seem absolutely out of place in a space opera like Mass Effect.

I don't know anymore...

Even the hard-SF element is going right out the window. What was that about some magical green energy pulse that spontaneously implants every organic in the galaxy with cybernetics? If I wanted to play a fantasy game, I'd buy a fantasy game. This is sci-fi.

[RazorrX]

humes spork wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Think of how much harder it would be to kill him/her.

Well, Fat Shepard might have more damage reduction and health, but the hitbox would be bigger and Fat Shepard would have a harder time taking cover. Not to mention storming might not work quite as well. So, I think it would balance out in the end.

but his Vanguard charge would do hella big damage due to more mass.

[blueruin]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

blueruin wrote...

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

Well, ideals meet reality then, lesson learned?  Just imagine for a moment about what the development process for a game like Mass Effect 3 would have to involve.  The production costs, animation, voice acting alone.  Think about the logistics of trying to write to the variables laid out from the previous two games and the amount of planning that would take.  The budget and time constraints.  To expect a multitude of wildly divergent narratives branching off from the main story is not realistic.  Especially when the vast majority of people who buy your games are not going to play through multiple times and see all of the content they invested time and money into.

Games with choice are as good as they are, right now.  And they're pretty good  Why don't you just try to enjoy the ride?

   


This ride is not even worth the trouble of playing . whats the point you are not taking back Earth or saving the galaxy . you are destroying it no matter what .

I'd respond but I feel like I'm trying to talk you out of going to the bathroom and cutting yourself.  It's a video game.  Don't like what you speculate will be the ending?  Don't buy it?  Don't play it?  It's easy enough.

[Unit-Alpha]

humes spork wrote...

Fafner_Ni wrote...

Patriota125 wrote...

This SHlT is still going on?

Don't you get it?

FACTS:

Twilight fangirls crying because his hero died and the whole crew included claiming "Bioware destroyed their series". How exactly are they destroying Mass Effect? I can't see it, how are they destroying it? Stop b.i.t.chin and just cancel your preorder-

Ah, the idiot is back.

He must really like Twilight.

For someone who goes on and on about it, it sure seems like he does.

They say the greatest homphobes are those that have homoerotic feelings themselves...
maybe the same thing?

[recentio]

blueruin wrote...

I get your point, but all along we've been told the magic of Mass Effect is that the game's Shepard is YOUR Shepard, that your decisions have a material impact on the outcome especially in the final piece of the trilogy where the endings can be whatever.  If they had been pitching it as, hey you get to make window dressing choices along the way but we're going to pre-decide all the important stuff, it wouldn't have the same allure.  That might be how it turned out, but that's not what they've been promising.  It would be interesting to see how many people agree with you that the marketing materials and PR statements and interviews clearly made sure people knew the whole "decision" aspect of the game was relevant "only to a certain degree."

Well, ideals meet reality then, lesson learned?  Just imagine for a moment about what the development process for a game like Mass Effect 3 would have to involve.  The production costs, animation, voice acting alone.  Think about the logistics of trying to write to the variables laid out from the previous two games and the amount of planning that would take.  The budget and time constraints.  To expect a multitude of wildly divergent narratives branching off from the main story is not realistic.  Especially when the vast majority of people who buy your games are not going to play through multiple times and see all of the content they invested time and money into.

Games with choice are as good as they are, right now.  And they're pretty good  Why don't you just try to enjoy the ride?

It should be pretty easy to do divergence at the very end of a story because nothing after that point has to agree. I think the Fate of the Normandy was fixed on purpose to make the ending more "moving" because their doom and separation from Shep and the rest of the galaxy is unavoidable. Including even one 'Together to the End' ending would, by some imagination, "weaken" the plot point they wanted to ram down our throats.

[DifferentD17]

humes spork wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Think of how much harder it would be to kill him/her.

Well, Fat Shepard might have more damage reduction and health, but the hitbox would be bigger and Fat Shepard would have a harder time taking cover. Not to mention storming might not work quite as well. So, I think it would balance out in the end.

If he/she kept using charge thier barrier would keep going up. That and Shep can sit on people.

[Johnnycide]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Wowzers this thread is big. The endings are not the best, but it could be worse. I'm glad I pre-ordered it. I had fun playing the single player demo with every class, so I want the full game.

Also, there are endings to sub-plots that I am invested in. What happens regarding the krogan genophage? How will the quarian/geth thing get resolved? What are Miranda and Jacob up to now that they are no longer Cerberus? Etc. Etc. I still want these answers, even if things end up sucking for the Normandy and Shep.

Also, for the record, I have no problem with the idea of the relays being destroyed. I'm just curious to see the stranded normandy/shepard for myself.

The relays are not what people are mad about. It is the fact that your LIs and crew are left stranded on a random planet and you never get the see them again if you live.

Actually I think there are people upset about all different aspects of the ending, and then some of us who are upset by the sum total of it.

Like 3 different people:
A - Well this is crap
B - Nah this part is crap
C - Guys you're staring at a mound of feces, its all crap

[xtorma]

Patriota125 wrote...

This SHlT is still going on?

Don't you get it?

FACTS:

Twilight fangirls crying because his hero died and the whole crew included claiming "Bioware destroyed their series". How exactly are they destroying Mass Effect? I can't see it, how are they destroying it? Stop b.i.t.chin and just cancel your preorder-

Yes

[Switish]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Wowzers this thread is big. The endings are not the best, but it could be worse. I'm glad I pre-ordered it. I had fun playing the single player demo with every class, so I want the full game.

Also, there are endings to sub-plots that I am invested in. What happens regarding the krogan genophage? How will the quarian/geth thing get resolved? What are Miranda and Jacob up to now that they are no longer Cerberus? Etc. Etc. I still want these answers, even if things end up sucking for the Normandy and Shep.

Also, for the record, I have no problem with the idea of the relays being destroyed. I'm just curious to see the stranded normandy/shepard for myself.

The relays are not what people are mad about. It is the fact that your LIs and crew are left stranded on a random planet and you never get the see them again if you live.

Oh im the opposite then...but i am pretty pissed about the LI

[middlemarching]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Wowzers this thread is big. The endings are not the best, but it could be worse. I'm glad I pre-ordered it. I had fun playing the single player demo with every class, so I want the full game.

Also, there are endings to sub-plots that I am invested in. What happens regarding the krogan genophage? How will the quarian/geth thing get resolved? What are Miranda and Jacob up to now that they are no longer Cerberus? Etc. Etc. I still want these answers, even if things end up sucking for the Normandy and Shep.

Also, for the record, I have no problem with the idea of the relays being destroyed. I'm just curious to see the stranded normandy/shepard for myself.

The relays are not what people are mad about. It is the fact that your LIs and crew are left stranded on a random planet and you never get the see them again if you live.

I feel like a broken record here. Can anyone provide screenshots of this stuff?

[treesnogger]

So, I am new to the BSN, after a long break, but are there really people giving a **** about 10 seconds long "romance sub plots", like, seriously?

That game was always about some B-Movie plot in taking the galaxy back from some evildoers.
Who the **** cares if someone of cast gets killed/stranded? Seriously?

[Johnnycide]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Even the hard-SF element is going right out the window. What was that about some magical green energy pulse that spontaneously implants every organic in the galaxy with cybernetics? If I wanted to play a fantasy game, I'd buy a fantasy game. This is sci-fi.

That green beam? Oh that's easy that's the power of love.