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[Primavera11]

Well they burried any chances of Mass Effect MMO with this so joke is on them XD

[Unit-Alpha]

recentio wrote...

treesnogger wrote...

So, I am new to the BSN, after a long break, but are there really people giving a **** about 10 seconds long "romance sub plots", like, seriously?

That game was always about some B-Movie plot in taking the galaxy back from some evildoers.
Who the **** cares if someone of cast gets killed/stranded? Seriously?

There are more than a few players like myself who couldn't care less about that rehashed 'Invaders are coming to destroy us!' plot and play the game instead for the stories and experiences that Shepard shares with his teammates and crew and, yes, LI. Some of us love ME for the characters, not the whatever main plot. In every ending, the characters get screwed. I could not care less about the fate of some made up universe. Characters with interesting personal stories and connections matter to me, and those connections between them and Shepard are ruthlessly and unecessarily severed forever in every ending. Those characters were the only thing that made this game special. There are hundreds of other games where I could save the imaginary galaxy from imaginary monsters, but only one where Commander Shepard, Tali, Miranda, Garrus, Liara, Kaiden, Ashley, Jack, Legion, Joker, Wrex, and everyone else do it. All I and many others are asking for is that these characters that formed such an unforgettable team would have one chance to save their whatever galaxy together.

If I wanted an alien invasion game, I would play Halo. I play ME for the characters.

[18 Brains]

I agree with the stupidity of the endings. Even the original leaked endings were better!

[blueruin]

ademska wrote...
no one reasonable expects a significant amount of variation, just something comparable to what we saw in me2, where the overall narrative stayed the same, but shep's choices and readiness determined outcomes on a more personal level (ie, squadmates/friends living or dying).

the current ending, with the invariable normandy crash, just doesn't fit the game's tone. people keep negatively saying it's another dragon age 2, and while i adore that game, they're right.

in dragon age 2, the endings were unavoidable because that was the whole point of the game. the game presented you with all kinds of choices, and as far as character interaction and smaller issues went it reacted very well, but the big stuff was always unavoidable. in dragon age 2, the point of the game was that hawke couldn't escape his tragic destiny.

in mass effect, we've had two full games where shepard's choices made all the difference in the world as to how his story panned out. sure, because of technical limitations, the big plot end result is always the same. that's to be expected. but shepard has had choices in every game about his squadmates and friends, choices that could either get them killed or at least save some of them.

taking that completely away is just not narratively sound.

basically, i wouldn't expect to get to keep the relays or any reaper tech if shepard defeats the reapers. a lot of the endings make perfect sense within the lore. but not allowing a SINGLE OPTION, even a 100% completion try REALLY REALLY HARD new game+ ffx-2 type deal, to save your squadmates from the most miserable isolated existence?

that's just dumb.

Everyone seems to be acting like they KNOW everything about every single iteration of ME3's endings.  And they don't.  Wait until the game is out before you make your judgments.  There's people out there who were testers and who own the Space Edition but that doesn't mean they're not trolling, or omitting, or know everything there is to know about the game.

The only video leaks are short static cutscenes from the endings that are not affected by your playthrough choices (except for which ones are shown).

[Unit-Alpha]

Patriota125 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Yes

You again? Not in the mood to reply to people who don't even have a clue about ME , and im also talking to Unit Alpha.

I've got a fan!

[Bomb In My Pants]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

recentio wrote...

treesnogger wrote...

So, I am new to the BSN, after a long break, but are there really people giving a **** about 10 seconds long "romance sub plots", like, seriously?

That game was always about some B-Movie plot in taking the galaxy back from some evildoers.
Who the **** cares if someone of cast gets killed/stranded? Seriously?

There are more than a few players like myself who couldn't care less about that rehashed 'Invaders are coming to destroy us!' plot and play the game instead for the stories and experiences that Shepard shares with his teammates and crew and, yes, LI. Some of us love ME for the characters, not the whatever main plot. In every ending, the characters get screwed. I could not care less about the fate of some made up universe. Characters with interesting personal stories and connections matter to me, and those connections between them and Shepard are ruthlessly and unecessarily severed forever in every ending. Those characters were the only thing that made this game special. There are hundreds of other games where I could save the imaginary galaxy from imaginary monsters, but only one where Commander Shepard, Tali, Miranda, Garrus, Liara, Kaiden, Ashley, Jack, Legion, Joker, Wrex, and everyone else do it. All I and many others are asking for is that these characters that formed such an unforgettable team would have one chance to save their whatever galaxy together.

If I wanted an alien invasion game, I would play Halo. I play ME for the characters.

Well said.

[Butthead11]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

treesnogger wrote...

So, I am new to the BSN, after a long break, but are there really people giving a **** about 10 seconds long "romance sub plots", like, seriously?

That game was always about some B-Movie plot in taking the galaxy back from some evildoers.
Who the **** cares if someone of cast gets killed/stranded? Seriously?

BIoWare's writing is so good that people buy into their characters and worship them like gods. It's kind of creepy, but I've been there with characters like Tali.

Same reason people ****** about Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. Sometimes, the characters are just that believable, and we pour our hearts into them. 

  



at least George Lucas did not say F U to us Star Wars fans and destroy the Star Wars Universe like Bioware did in Mass Effect 3 . Oh and any dreams of this being on the level of Star Wars is a joke . this franchise has been one piece sh**t story telling

Lucas did destroy the star wars universe though, with something i like to call "the prequels" <_<

And why are you on the forums if you think the series has been **** storytelling? 

[humes spork]

Rdubs wrote...

Blue I actually agree with you but from a different perspective.  I hundred pages or so ago I spoke exactly about what you reference above, how in ME and ME2 it was easy for them to make promises about how all this was going to come together to create your very own awesome ME3 outcome - yet when they sat down to draft that out, they were like AW CRAP.  My theory is instead of trying to do a wide variety of outcomes as promised, and possibly let quality suffer, they just said "screw it let's force everyone into a big melancholy ending and call it art / drama / "emotional experience."

But if the end result is over-promising and under-delivering, whose fault is that?  Is it the producer for making hype and promises they couldn't keep, or is it the consumer for not discounting what they were told?  I say both, but the key issue is that most consumers trust what they are being told until proven otherwise.  The net effect of this I predict is that no one will believe much of what Bioware says in the future when they try to hype something.  It was easy to say "ME3 and DA2 were made by different studios so compeltely unlrelated" but two data points is harder to dismiss than one.

Shifting back into serious mode for a minute, that may be true but let's look at the ending we're presumably getting. The dev team obviously put a lot of hard work into it to polish it up as much as possible, but at the core it's still a gussied-up deus ex machina to presumably cover for the fact they overextended and wrote themselves into a corner. Everything but the writing looks to be of really high quality. I, nor anyone else, can really deny that.

[Patriota125]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I've got a fan!

Hardly, I don't like twilight fangirls at all.

[CerberusSoldier]

Oh they have no chance in hell of creating a Mass Effect MMO based on this game . No one wants their poor man wanna be Star Trek / Star Wars garbage after this .

[eye basher]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

recentio wrote...

treesnogger wrote...

So, I am new to the BSN, after a long break, but are there really people giving a **** about 10 seconds long "romance sub plots", like, seriously?

That game was always about some B-Movie plot in taking the galaxy back from some evildoers.
Who the **** cares if someone of cast gets killed/stranded? Seriously?

There are more than a few players like myself who couldn't care less about that rehashed 'Invaders are coming to destroy us!' plot and play the game instead for the stories and experiences that Shepard shares with his teammates and crew and, yes, LI. Some of us love ME for the characters, not the whatever main plot. In every ending, the characters get screwed. I could not care less about the fate of some made up universe. Characters with interesting personal stories and connections matter to me, and those connections between them and Shepard are ruthlessly and unecessarily severed forever in every ending. Those characters were the only thing that made this game special. There are hundreds of other games where I could save the imaginary galaxy from imaginary monsters, but only one where Commander Shepard, Tali, Miranda, Garrus, Liara, Kaiden, Ashley, Jack, Legion, Joker, Wrex, and everyone else do it. All I and many others are asking for is that these characters that formed such an unforgettable team would have one chance to save their whatever galaxy together.

If I wanted an alien invasion game, I would play Halo. I play ME for the characters.

Yes yes we know everyone wants their space wifey cry me a new one.

[Capeo]

18 Brains wrote...

I agree with the stupidity of the endings. Even the original leaked endings were better!

These are the original leaked endings. They haven't change since the script leaked ages ago. Unless there was something prior to that I'm unaware of. 

[Rdubs]

blueruin wrote...

The realities of their business dictate that they're obligated to hype up their games and dance the PR dance.  Even if they're secretly dissatisfied with their product and it was rushed due to forces beyond their control or whatever.  As the consumer though, we're not obligated to believe them.

Blue again I agree with you.  And the bigger issue is, much like how you can always sell a sequel ONCE based on the success of its predecessor, same thing with public image.  People will believe you and give you benefit of the doubt up until the point that they feel they've been blatantly lied to, misled or otherwise taken advantage of.  At that point your fan base now treats anything you say as tainted.  As the old captain of my ship once told me regarding respect but it applies to reputation as well - it's hard as hell to build up, but easy as hell to lose.

[Unit-Alpha]

Patriota125 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I've got a fan!

Hardly, I don't like twilight fangirls at all.

Haha, you just rise to the bait, don't you?

You would make an excellent trout.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[Heathen Pride]

kingsims wrote...

Just pretend Adam Jensen is Kai Leng and Shepard is JC Denton. Pretend that Mass Effect and Deus Ex had a baby.

LOL. Even the colors they use reminds me of the Deux Ex endings. The Illuminati monitors have a blue hue(control), Helios has  green lighting(merging) and Tong's dark age destruction ending with lots of red warning lights and explosions(destroy ending).

[middlemarching]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

vanetian wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Wowzers this thread is big. The endings are not the best, but it could be worse. I'm glad I pre-ordered it. I had fun playing the single player demo with every class, so I want the full game.

Also, there are endings to sub-plots that I am invested in. What happens regarding the krogan genophage? How will the quarian/geth thing get resolved? What are Miranda and Jacob up to now that they are no longer Cerberus? Etc. Etc. I still want these answers, even if things end up sucking for the Normandy and Shep.

Also, for the record, I have no problem with the idea of the relays being destroyed. I'm just curious to see the stranded normandy/shepard for myself.

The relays are not what people are mad about. It is the fact that your LIs and crew are left stranded on a random planet and you never get the see them again if you live.

I feel like a broken record here. Can anyone provide screenshots of this stuff?

No one can and i'm not sure why. I'm still holding out that maybe it isn't true, or it is only true for certain endings. There still has to be a golden ending. THERE HAS TO BE!

*cry

I mean, that's what I'm fixating on at the moment:  we've seen no screenshots of this supposedly inescapable outcome, and nothing to prove that it even EXISTS to be inescapable. Saying "well so-and-so had a copy of the Space Edition and has mined the files" is not the same thing as "so-and-so took these screenshots after playing through the game multiple different times, and here is so-and-so's youtube account." Fraps is a pretty easy program to install, and can record 30 second video clips in addition to taking screenshots.

Unless there have been screenshots provided? Does anyone actually have them? Or any proof whatsoever that isn't hearsay?

[Kyria Nyriese]

I don't normally post much around here. I was angry when I first heard about the endings. At this point, I am going to get the game, play it, and if they are as bad as they seem, I'll substitute my own headcanon into the story and not have more than one complete playthrough.

I will also have lost complete faith in Bioware to tell a great story. As in I will never buy another Bioware game, DLC and I will cancel my TOR subscription, which my exhusband knew things were bad when I told him that.

On the note of a 'happy' vs a 'bittersweet' ending, I would be happy if Shepard and the Normandy or Shepard and her squad went out in a blaze of glory. I didn't like it when they made Shepard go solo in Arrival and I don't like what I am hearing about the same thing here with these endings.

[DifferentD17]

Patriota125 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Yes

You again? Not in the mood to reply to people who don't even have a clue about ME , and im also talking to Unit Alpha.

Why would anyone have a clue about YOU.

[Johnnycide]

Actually I'm starting to have my own doubts, I think it'd be corporate suicide to release a game that when the general media gets it they'll hear about the ending involving allusions of inbreeding and incest.

[recentio]

WvStolzing wrote...

recentio wrote...

Salvadore Dali -- some wildly innovative and thought-provoking, yet not depressing, art. Even 'The Scream' (by Edvard Munch) isn't so much sad as disturbing. Makes you wonder what is really going on there...just like the BW writing room. 

(EDIT: clarifying that 'The Scream' was by Munch, not Dali)

You'll get the writers thinking: See, they're comparing us to great artists!

I'll say it again: To give an ending that is 'bleaker than bleak' (...get it?) without having it degenerate into sadistic tripe, to have gruesome scenes yet do it in good taste and be able to say something through them, and to end on a faint note of 'hope in a new beginning, after the destruction that transforms us all', etc. you have to be the guy who wrote King Lear.

How about trying to become geniuses of light entertainment in perfectly good taste? There are people who do it so well, that they become legends. You really can do this kind of thing...

Comparing them very disfavorably, haha. I think they are capable of much better than this, though. I mean, LotSB wasn't a fluke was it? I hope not. I hope they can pull something together for a Together To The End alternative ending (free) DLC. But I really, really doubt they will do it...

[Unit-Alpha]

eye basher wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

recentio wrote...

treesnogger wrote...

So, I am new to the BSN, after a long break, but are there really people giving a **** about 10 seconds long "romance sub plots", like, seriously?

That game was always about some B-Movie plot in taking the galaxy back from some evildoers.
Who the **** cares if someone of cast gets killed/stranded? Seriously?

There are more than a few players like myself who couldn't care less about that rehashed 'Invaders are coming to destroy us!' plot and play the game instead for the stories and experiences that Shepard shares with his teammates and crew and, yes, LI. Some of us love ME for the characters, not the whatever main plot. In every ending, the characters get screwed. I could not care less about the fate of some made up universe. Characters with interesting personal stories and connections matter to me, and those connections between them and Shepard are ruthlessly and unecessarily severed forever in every ending. Those characters were the only thing that made this game special. There are hundreds of other games where I could save the imaginary galaxy from imaginary monsters, but only one where Commander Shepard, Tali, Miranda, Garrus, Liara, Kaiden, Ashley, Jack, Legion, Joker, Wrex, and everyone else do it. All I and many others are asking for is that these characters that formed such an unforgettable team would have one chance to save their whatever galaxy together.

If I wanted an alien invasion game, I would play Halo. I play ME for the characters.

Yes yes we know everyone wants their space wifey cry me a new one.

Haha, seriously, dude, are you unable to read? I have restated a dozen times how I would rather have my LI die than have the end the game currently does. It is a disrespect to the franchise.

[Dean_the_Young]

Not much to prove it's inescapable either, considering FTL still exists and other people could come by.

[Bomb In My Pants]

I'd like to point something out I'm not sure anyone else has noticed yet (they probably have though): Whenever one of the videos shows the Citadel, it's above a planet, not in it's cradle of a nebula.

So, how did they get it to Earth.

And I'm going to head this question off before it comes- How do I know it's Earth? What other planet would it be?...Duh.

[Juniper Mucius]

Primavera11 wrote...

Well they burried any chances of Mass Effect MMO with this so joke is on them XD

Yes, because you know all of their plans.  #fail