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g_bassi13 wrote...

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Daniel Bryan v. Sheamus Wrestlemania Match.

Arguably a worse ending than ME3?


Well it was the technically the begining... But it was somehow worse, lol.


Lol. I still don't think it was as bad as Mass Effect 3's end. Stupid that they gave more time to Randy Orton's entrance than a title match... but StarChild still trumps all. And Keith David doing the introduction video voiceover... I should have expected it cause he has done it in the past, but still... this ending just will never leave me. 

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I think ill be standing down after PAX, one way or another. Either they give us hopeful news and I stand down to be patient, or they artfully tell us to suck it, in which case ill be moving on. Bioware games aren't the only way to get good entertaining stories. The worst would be if they continue to be vague and avoid giving us an answer. Either way, Ill stick around for a bit, maybe collect some Xbox gamertags for any of you fine folks who play on Xbox, but I don't see myself doing weeks more of this.


As will I. The 10th will mark one month since I finished ME3. I think that'll be quite enough holding the line for me. Also, I have finals, so if I do come back it'll be at least a few week before I do.

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Computim wrote...

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I honestly don't even know why its missing in the first place, everything else is the same up there


They would have had to account for Miranda getting killed....etc

That would have taken away from "key features" in a game that was already rushed for time... I honestly think they needed about 6 more months the more we're discussing things these days. Image IPB
 

I agree with you on that with the more time, hell maybe we would have actually gotten some endings that were decent and made sense/weren't riddled with plotholes if they had had more time, unfortunately we will never know what they could have done with such time
Edit: for dead LI's there could have been like a memento/picture/something of whoever that you would be able look at and remember etc an example being maybe a prayer book of thane's (off the top of my head)

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Little Miss Angel wrote...

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

I think ill be standing down after PAX, one way or another. Either they give us hopeful news and I stand down to be patient, or they artfully tell us to suck it, in which case ill be moving on. Bioware games aren't the only way to get good entertaining stories. The worst would be if they continue to be vague and avoid giving us an answer. Either way, Ill stick around for a bit, maybe collect some Xbox gamertags for any of you fine folks who play on Xbox, but I don't see myself doing weeks more of this.


As will I. The 10th will mark one month since I finished ME3. I think that'll be quite enough holding the line for me. Also, I have finals, so if I do come back it'll be at least a few week before I do.


Truth.  Skyrim will be releasing DLC soon enough as well.  If it's a choice between Bioware and Bethesda, Bethesda is bringing a lot more to the table these days.  If you release Horse Armour and don't correct it you're just not on the same level of class as Bethesda.  I'd like to think Bioware's at least as good, now we'll see whether they just sell themselves that way, or if, when it's crunch time, if they step up and take responsibility and fix what a ton of their diehard fans, the ones who used to be called 'fanboys' because they could do anything and we'd still buy their stuff, think is a mistake.

Still holding the line. Image IPB

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Little Miss Angel wrote...

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

I think ill be standing down after PAX, one way or another. Either they give us hopeful news and I stand down to be patient, or they artfully tell us to suck it, in which case ill be moving on. Bioware games aren't the only way to get good entertaining stories. The worst would be if they continue to be vague and avoid giving us an answer. Either way, Ill stick around for a bit, maybe collect some Xbox gamertags for any of you fine folks who play on Xbox, but I don't see myself doing weeks more of this.


As will I. The 10th will mark one month since I finished ME3. I think that'll be quite enough holding the line for me. Also, I have finals, so if I do come back it'll be at least a few week before I do.


I will as well. I've been here since the 8th, and I think that's enough. If they make a new ending, great, I'm off to get ym N7 hoodie. If they don't..goodbye, BioAr- I meant Bioware... :crying:

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I will as well. I've been here since the 8th, and I think that's enough. If they make a new ending, great, I'm off to get ym N7 hoodie. If they don't..goodbye, BioAr- I meant Bioware... :crying:


Pretty much. I really wanted one of those Normandy models. But unless they fix the endings? Nah. No interest.

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NPH11 wrote...

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Arguably a worse ending than ME3?



actually it was a better ending than ME3, at least we expected bryan to loose and at least we had a laugh

Modifié par chmarr, 01 avril 2012 - 11:52 .


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TamiBx wrote...

I will as well. I've been here since the 8th, and I think that's enough. If they make a new ending, great, I'm off to get ym N7 hoodie. If they don't..goodbye, BioAr- I meant Bioware... :crying:


I really wanted a N7 hoodie too, thank god I held off. Otherwise I would've felt so ashamed. I wouldn't want to wear in public

:P

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 01 avril 2012 - 11:52 .


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Little Miss Angel wrote...

I really wanted a N7 hoodie too, thank god I held off. Otherwise I would've felt so ashamed. I wouldn't want to wear in public

:P


agreed :mellow:

i hope they get cracking (making us wait till this PAX thing is just plain stupid on their part IMHO...bad PR strategy...i think this strategy was decided by the same person who invented the crucible and tossed the original story out the window!)

greetings from a still very much pissed of LAX

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TamiBx wrote...

I will as well. I've been here since the 8th, and I think that's enough. If they make a new ending, great, I'm off to get ym N7 hoodie. If they don't..goodbye, BioAr- I meant Bioware... :crying:

I've been here since the beginning, before the game even released lol(mainly lurked back then) and ill be here till the end if there's bad news/still some people left *crosses fingers for PAX bringing good news*

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

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*snip*


While the button didn't do much, it still added a feature in the game that you spend some time with your LI outside of the missions in a "Let's just be together and happy" kind of way. Which to say, I do miss that button also.


Exactly. I miss being able to invite Garrus up to my quarters. It was nice to just be able to spend time with my LI...

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If there's not at least an announcement about DLC to fix the ending by the 10th or the 11th I'm not going to be a Bioware customer anymore.

Taking that further though, if I get an announcement of the lines of "We're not changing the ending, it's our artistic integrity, and we don't have to give into you people" I'll be taking my holding the line a bit further.. 
Over the last 3 weeks I've taken a look at EA's financial statements.  I've learnt about the Fiscal Year End being March 31st, I've also learnt some interesting data about their concerns for retail chain..  For instance, Gamestop is their largest customer.  They're actually concerned that, should Gamestop ever stop buying games (ironic wordplay there) from EA that their profits would be greatly at risk.  This isn't just internet hype either.  You can find it yourself in their Q3 Quarterly Report under Risks.

I've not said this for a few weeks mainly because I didn't want it to come across as a threat... however I'd like this to come across more as a point to everyone here.  Regardless of what they say, we still hold the final word on this.  If we don't like their answer we, as consumers, are entitled to take it to the next level, in this case it would be Electronic Arts, their parent company.  If Bioware refuses to redress our grievances, we, as consumers, have a right to stop buying things from them, and anyone who does business with them until we're satisfied our message has been heard.  If I feel that I'm having an ending forced on me by the studio I will stop purchasing Electronic Arts, Bioware, and any games from Gamestop until such time as I feel that they are treating us as customers.

This could be taken as a very explosive statement.  I am not saying this is what I am going to do at this moment.  I am not even saying that if they don't announce anything I'm going to do this.  I'm saying this is what I will do if I feel that I'm not a customer to them and I'm required to just be spoon-fed the ending and am expected to just give them my money and take it.

Some of you may realize I buy a LOT of games from Gamestop.. my local EB Games (Gamestop in Canada) manager considers me a valuable enough customer that he gives me discounts and routinely will call me personally if something isn't coming in on a specific date and what not.  I've already spoken to him about this and he has agreed to pass my statement up the chain to his regional customer relations head should I tell him to.  I warned him in advance since he gets his income from selling games and EA are a large supplier and he was, obviously, concerned about it.

I don't make that decision lightly, I value my customer relationship with the manager of the local EB Games, I value my relationship with various people in developer studios, and I am routinely defending of them.  However, if I feel, at any time, I am not being treated as a customer, and they are instead taking on a feeling of entitlement that they can make whatever they want and I should just buy it, I am warning them that I will not accept that.

Once again, to clarify, I'm not suggesting a boycott of Gamestop/EA/Bioware at this time.  I am simply saying do not become disheartened.  Should we not be happy with the response they give us here it is not the end of the line, we can take this further, we can shake up the entire industry and change things.  We can make this a better environment for the consumer, which, in the end will be better for the studios, they'll be able to get the time they need to release games completed and not be forced into sacrificing ACTUAL artistic integrity for DLC business choices.

Still holding the line, I encourage you all to take heart and not be discouraged.  EA is here because we, as consumers, buy their product, if they wish to continue this relationship we expect respect and consideration for our reasonable expectations for excellence that they both advertise and have a reputation for delivering.

-Computim Out.

Modifié par Computim, 02 avril 2012 - 12:08 .


#67638
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chmarr wrote...

NPH11 wrote...

Daniel Bryan v. Sheamus Wrestlemania Match.

Arguably a worse ending than ME3?



actually it was a better ending than ME3, at least we expected bryan to loose and at least we had a laugh


There's an ongoing (friendly) debate on a youtube video's comments.

Which is worse, Mass Effect 3's ending or Twilight's love story?

I never imagined I'd see the day that people would be comparing Mass Effect to Twilight :crying:

Modifié par KaiserinKai, 02 avril 2012 - 12:12 .


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I think my shift on the line is done for tonight.

Remember, when you're thinking about giving up... ask yourself, "What would Marauder Shields do?"

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Computim wrote...

If there's not at least an announcement about DLC to fix the ending by the 10th or the 11th I'm not going to be a Bioware customer anymore.

..........

Still holding the line, I encourage you all to take heart and not be discouraged.  EA is here because we, as consumers, buy their product, if they wish to continue this relationship we expect respect and consideration for our reasonable expectations for excellence that they both advertise and have a reputation for delivering.

-Computim Out.


The sad thing is that they will probably not change the ending because, it is going to be too costly in money and time to do it and because, as mr. Muzyka said, what they will do is "clarify" the current ending. This alone means that the ending stays as is and a DLC will come out, which we will have to pay for, which will try to patch the holes, if that is ever possible, seeing as how a lot of people have literally broken apart every second of it.

So, for my part, if they pull something like that, I will of course not buy the DLC and will, probably not buy another EA game again. Fortunately, the competition in the game development theater is so fierce that a lot of companies, either Indie or AAA, produce a lot of good games. It's not like I will destroy my entire world, although I'm certain that my money will be missed, as they should.

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CDHarrisUSF wrote...

I think my shift on the line is done for tonight.

Remember, when you're thinking about giving up... ask yourself, "What would Marauder Shields do?"

He'd get back up and try to save the next shep that comes along from the ending lol

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Computim wrote...

If there's not at least an announcement about DLC to fix the ending by the 10th or the 11th I'm not going to be a Bioware customer anymore.

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Still holding the line, I encourage you all to take heart and not be discouraged.  EA is here because we, as consumers, buy their product, if they wish to continue this relationship we expect respect and consideration for our reasonable expectations for excellence that they both advertise and have a reputation for delivering.

-Computim Out.


The sad thing is that they will probably not change the ending because, it is going to be too costly in money and time to do it and because, as mr. Muzyka said, what they will do is "clarify" the current ending. This alone means that the ending stays as is and a DLC will come out, which we will have to pay for, which will try to patch the holes, if that is ever possible, seeing as how a lot of people have literally broken apart every second of it.

So, for my part, if they pull something like that, I will of course not buy the DLC and will, probably not buy another EA game again. Fortunately, the competition in the game development theater is so fierce that a lot of companies, either Indie or AAA, produce a lot of good games. It's not like I will destroy my entire world, although I'm certain that my money will be missed, as they should.

Witcher 2 coming to xbox this month, ac3 and borderlands 2 later in the year, I definitely will have other things to buy if there is no fix here and just some other bs DLC like retake omega or MP junk

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TekMage wrote...

Computim wrote...

If there's not at least an announcement about DLC to fix the ending by the 10th or the 11th I'm not going to be a Bioware customer anymore.

..........

Still holding the line, I encourage you all to take heart and not be discouraged.  EA is here because we, as consumers, buy their product, if they wish to continue this relationship we expect respect and consideration for our reasonable expectations for excellence that they both advertise and have a reputation for delivering.

-Computim Out.


The sad thing is that they will probably not change the ending because, it is going to be too costly in money and time to do it and because, as mr. Muzyka said, what they will do is "clarify" the current ending. This alone means that the ending stays as is and a DLC will come out, which we will have to pay for, which will try to patch the holes, if that is ever possible, seeing as how a lot of people have literally broken apart every second of it.

So, for my part, if they pull something like that, I will of course not buy the DLC and will, probably not buy another EA game again. Fortunately, the competition in the game development theater is so fierce that a lot of companies, either Indie or AAA, produce a lot of good games. It's not like I will destroy my entire world, although I'm certain that my money will be missed, as they should.


Yeah, I would pack up, leave, and ask Blizzard to shut up and take my money instead. Diablo 3 is coming out next month, so I'll be there.

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 02 avril 2012 - 12:40 .


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I am reporting for the line.Witcher 2 sounds like a winner if we still get crap for a ending.Best part is it's not EA.

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Major Swift wrote...

Witcher 2 coming to xbox this month, ac3 and borderlands 2 later in the year, I definitely will have other things to buy if there is no fix here and just some other bs DLC like retake omega or MP junk


+1
Also pre-ordered the Diablo 3 CE (long-time fan since Diablo 1) and I seriously hope that ActiVision/Blizzard doesn't pull an EA/BioWare on this one.

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Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Morning all any new news or till in the speculation/discussion mode


Amazon UK has stopped selling ME3 while it investigates complaints that the product sold was not the same as the product advertised. There is a copy of Amazon's reasoning a few pages back, or you could just go to Amazon UK and see for yourself.

Humm, I wonder if the guys at Forbes will pick up on that and comment?



Now might be a good time to reiterate Bioware's apparent position, and the options open to them.

They don't, realistically, have an option of doing nothing - in part because the press reported that they were going to change the ending (Bioware never stated this, but the media will get annoyed at looking like idiots for saying it and are likely to take that annoyance out on Bioware if not EA at the first chance). The other reason is Amazon UK - if they uphold the complaints about the games advertising they might well continue to refuse to sell the game, and other retailers will probably follow. I'd certainly expect Amazon stores in other countries to follow Amazon UK's lead.
As this is the second Bioware game in 12 months that retailers have ended up having to offer full refunds for (the other being DA2, on the basis its bugs resulted in a broken product). Doing nothing will make it very difficult for Bioware to find retailers willing to sell their products in future, or at least not stock their games in large numbers or on favourable terms.

'Explaining', 'Clarrifying' or just adding a slideshow onto the end of the game would be just as bad, if not worse, than doing nothing. It would not counter the misadvertising claims and would really tick off customers.

The 'suits' at EA and Bioware will be screaming blue murder at all the bad publicity, and quite probably the way the situation was mismanaged. They will want the situation resolved in a way that doesn't make things worse. This is especially likely given the existance of a Mass Effect film in early pre-production and hopes for a long-running franchise. If the situation is allowed to get worse neither is likely to happen.

So. The basic position, as I can see it, is that if Bioware wishes to remain in business they will have to;

A; Address the ending issue at PAX, meaning that they will have to state than they either have or are working on an ending DLC. They have no option of stalling for time.

B; They will have to indicate, at least in general terms, what it will contain - ie, new endings - and a rough idea as to when it will be released.

C; Indicate if it will be a paid or free download. They *might* get away with paid DLC, but it will badly damage their image and probably kill off a large percentage of their existing customer base. The smarter move would be a free DLC, which would come over as better for all involved and unless it is very bad could very well result in a surge of sales - it is NOT too late for this to happen. Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins showed and increase in sales from around week 5/6 after release.


Now I am nursing the faint, if wary, hope that they will announce a new ending at PAX. This is based mainly on two things.

First are comments made by one of the writers who will be there, who seemed fairly cheerful and said 'We have a lot to talk about :)'. This would appear to be the comments of someone who feels he has good news to impart, and unless he has been living under a rock for the last few weeks he MUST be aware that the only news that is likely to be well received at PAX is a new ending.

Second is that Bioware intends to live-stream their talk at PAX. Like the above this would seem like a very strange thing to do unless you were very confident that you could provide a statement that is going to be well received.


So, keep nursing a faint hope of good news and keep holding the line.

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Little Miss Angel wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I will as well. I've been here since the 8th, and I think that's enough. If they make a new ending, great, I'm off to get ym N7 hoodie. If they don't..goodbye, BioAr- I meant Bioware... :crying:


I really wanted a N7 hoodie too, thank god I held off. Otherwise I would've felt so ashamed. I wouldn't want to wear in public

:P


I got an N7 t-shirt right before launch.  I have not worn it yet...nor will I unless we get some good news this week!

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Still mourning for that ending,
I hope they are wise enough to fix that cra*, lots of customers' money is at stake.

Hold the line guys. We will succeed!

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Modifié par Computim, 02 avril 2012 - 12:39 .


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TekMage wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Witcher 2 coming to xbox this month, ac3 and borderlands 2 later in the year, I definitely will have other things to buy if there is no fix here and just some other bs DLC like retake omega or MP junk


+1
Also pre-ordered the Diablo 3 CE (long-time fan since Diablo 1) and I seriously hope that ActiVision/Blizzard doesn't pull an EA/BioWare on this one.


Haha, honestly, I don't know how they could screw Diablo 3 up. But, you know, stranger things have happened ;)