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Cybermortis wrote...
Now might be a good time to reiterate Bioware's apparent position, and the options open to them.
Same here to all of that, hell ill even buy another copy of diablo 3 for the xbox if they do indeed bring to xbox/ps3 like the rumors say they mayTekMage wrote...
Major Swift wrote...
Witcher 2 coming to xbox this month, ac3 and borderlands 2 later in the year, I definitely will have other things to buy if there is no fix here and just some other bs DLC like retake omega or MP junk
+1
Also pre-ordered the Diablo 3 CE (long-time fan since Diablo 1) and I seriously hope that ActiVision/Blizzard doesn't pull an EA/BioWare on this one.
Bruinbear wrote...
I got an N7 t-shirt right before launch. I have not worn it yet...nor will I unless we get some good news this week!
I don't believe that they won't change the ending.TekMage wrote...
Computim wrote...
If there's not at least an announcement about DLC to fix the ending by the 10th or the 11th I'm not going to be a Bioware customer anymore.
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Still holding the line, I encourage you all to take heart and not be discouraged. EA is here because we, as consumers, buy their product, if they wish to continue this relationship we expect respect and consideration for our reasonable expectations for excellence that they both advertise and have a reputation for delivering.
-Computim Out.
The sad thing is that they will probably not change the ending because, it is going to be too costly in money and time to do it and because, as mr. Muzyka said, what they will do is "clarify" the current ending. This alone means that the ending stays as is and a DLC will come out, which we will have to pay for, which will try to patch the holes, if that is ever possible, seeing as how a lot of people have literally broken apart every second of it.
So, for my part, if they pull something like that, I will of course not buy the DLC and will, probably not buy another EA game again. Fortunately, the competition in the game development theater is so fierce that a lot of companies, either Indie or AAA, produce a lot of good games. It's not like I will destroy my entire world, although I'm certain that my money will be missed, as they should.
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Little Miss Angel wrote...
Haha, honestly, I don't know how they could screw Diablo 3 up. But, you know, stranger things have happened
. But on a more serious note, ActiVision has already fracked up World of Warcraft since it started calling the shots, making the game more and more like a one-button-endless-time-sink-grindfest, which is also why I will not buy any more ActiVision/Blizzard MMO's (namely the upcoming Titans) and why my adventures on Azeroth stop with the release of Kung-Fu pandas (because the silliness in the game hasn't reached astronomical levels).
RussianOrc wrote...
I don't believe that they won't change the ending.
It would be corporate suicide.I mean EA certenly don't need us(Mass Effect fans) to mantain itself, but bioware need.It wouldn't be inteligent to destroy their grettest franchise and therefor their good name just because it would be to costly to fix it.
EA is a company and a damn big one, it would be naive, to say the least, to think they would be so short sighted to let one of their investiments go down the drain.
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Cybermortis wrote...
Amazon UK has stopped selling ME3 while it investigates complaints that the product sold was not the same as the product advertised. There is a copy of Amazon's reasoning a few pages back, or you could just go to Amazon UK and see for yourself.
Humm, I wonder if the guys at Forbes will pick up on that and comment?
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So. The basic position, as I can see it, is that if Bioware wishes to remain in business they will have to;
A; Address the ending issue at PAX, meaning that they will have to state than they either have or are working on an ending DLC. They have no option of stalling for time.
B; They will have to indicate, at least in general terms, what it will contain - ie, new endings - and a rough idea as to when it will be released.
C; Indicate if it will be a paid or free download. They *might* get away with paid DLC, but it will badly damage their image and probably kill off a large percentage of their existing customer base. The smarter move would be a free DLC, which would come over as better for all involved and unless it is very bad could very well result in a surge of sales - it is NOT too late for this to happen. Both Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins showed and increase in sales from around week 5/6 after release.
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Second is that Bioware intends to live-stream their talk at PAX. Like the above this would seem like a very strange thing to do unless you were very confident that you could provide a statement that is going to be well received.
So, keep nursing a faint hope of good news and keep holding the line.
Computim wrote...
Cybermortis wrote...
Now might be a good time to reiterate Bioware's apparent position, and the options open to them.
Is it sad I'm still hoping they pick Option C - Release an army of robotic AIs bent on enslaving humanity, forcing artistic integrity, and destroying those of us amongst us who resist? ... I really want to die holding a flamethrower in a shower of Bioware built bullets
TekMage wrote...
RussianOrc wrote...
I don't believe that they won't change the ending.
It would be corporate suicide.I mean EA certenly don't need us(Mass Effect fans) to mantain itself, but bioware need.It wouldn't be inteligent to destroy their grettest franchise and therefor their good name just because it would be to costly to fix it.
EA is a company and a damn big one, it would be naive, to say the least, to think they would be so short sighted to let one of their investiments go down the drain.
I would very much like to believe that they are considering a complete overhaul of the entire Earth mission, but I know for a fact and from personal experience that something like that will require so much time and money that they'd rather face the consequences of a "clarification" DLC than go for it. Not to mention of how much "face" they are going to lose for admitting that they fracked up so bad that they have to delete the entire last mission and replace it. Ego is a very strong motivator and game designers have tons of it concerning their works.
Don't want to put dart holes in your wall?mCorfe wrote...
Bruinbear wrote...
I got an N7 t-shirt right before launch. I have not worn it yet...nor will I unless we get some good news this week!
I got a ME3 poster one day before i bought the game. Havent put it on the wall yet. I think "why" is obvious
Cybermortis wrote...
Computim wrote...
Cybermortis wrote...
Now might be a good time to reiterate Bioware's apparent position, and the options open to them.
Is it sad I'm still hoping they pick Option C - Release an army of robotic AIs bent on enslaving humanity, forcing artistic integrity, and destroying those of us amongst us who resist? ... I really want to die holding a flamethrower in a shower of Bioware built bullets
*Takes a smooth step backwards*
Personally I'd prefer to die at a ripe old age after a night wi...errm...Young blue skinned 'women' might be involved.
Going off recent evidence a Bioware-bullet would only backfire, causing more harm to the user than the intended target. Sure, you might feel some pain but you'd live.
Major Swift wrote...
Witcher 2 coming to xbox this month, ac3 and borderlands 2 later in the year, I definitely will have other things to buy if there is no fix here and just some other bs DLC like retake omega or MP junk
TekMage wrote...
Oohh, I have every trust that companies such as ActiVision and EA can screw up even games such as Pong and Pac-Man because of deadlines and such
Little Miss Angel wrote...
TekMage wrote...
Oohh, I have every trust that companies such as ActiVision and EA can screw up even games such as Pong and Pac-Man because of deadlines and such
Oh, excellent point. See, I haven't played WoW since WoTLK, so I haven't a clue what's been going on since. Except the pandas, I saw the pandas and for a minute I thought it was one of their April Fool's jokes. Of course, it wasn't April at all
You are correct, but i can tell you from personal experience that when someone from above(in this case some EA director) see the need to change something the company below(Bioware) has to swallow their pride and do it.TekMage wrote...
RussianOrc wrote...
I don't believe that they won't change the ending.
It would be corporate suicide.I mean EA certenly don't need us(Mass Effect fans) to mantain itself, but bioware need.It wouldn't be inteligent to destroy their grettest franchise and therefor their good name just because it would be to costly to fix it.
EA is a company and a damn big one, it would be naive, to say the least, to think they would be so short sighted to let one of their investiments go down the drain.
I would very much like to believe that they are considering a complete overhaul of the entire Earth mission, but I know for a fact and from personal experience that something like that will require so much time and money that they'd rather face the consequences of a "clarification" DLC than go for it. Not to mention of how much "face" they are going to lose for admitting that they fracked up so bad that they have to delete the entire last mission and replace it. Ego is a very strong motivator and game designers have tons of it concerning their works.
Computim wrote...
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the bullet's I'd be dying from, you've obviously never seen me use a flamethrower.
RussianOrc wrote...
You are correct, but i can tell you from personal experience that when someone from above(in this case some EA director) see the need to change something the company below(Bioware) has to swallow their pride and do it.TekMage wrote...
RussianOrc wrote...
I don't believe that they won't change the ending.
It would be corporate suicide.I mean EA certenly don't need us(Mass Effect fans) to mantain itself, but bioware need.It wouldn't be inteligent to destroy their grettest franchise and therefor their good name just because it would be to costly to fix it.
EA is a company and a damn big one, it would be naive, to say the least, to think they would be so short sighted to let one of their investiments go down the drain.
I would very much like to believe that they are considering a complete overhaul of the entire Earth mission, but I know for a fact and from personal experience that something like that will require so much time and money that they'd rather face the consequences of a "clarification" DLC than go for it. Not to mention of how much "face" they are going to lose for admitting that they fracked up so bad that they have to delete the entire last mission and replace it. Ego is a very strong motivator and game designers have tons of it concerning their works.
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Lol yea, each time I finished an AC game for the first time id be going, "what just happened? I can't wait to see what happens next!" AC3 is looking to be the best so farDj14365 wrote...
Major Swift wrote...
Witcher 2 coming to xbox this month, ac3 and borderlands 2 later in the year, I definitely will have other things to buy if there is no fix here and just some other bs DLC like retake omega or MP junk
AC3 is a certain pre-order. That series and ME are the only games I buy right at release. If the ending doesn't get fixed properly ubisoft will take over as best developer. That means they get my disposable income.
Both devs make endings that cause your head to hurt but only one in a good way. See if you can guess which it is.
I was kick'n around on ign looking at random stuff and went to the me3 page for the heck of it. At the top of the page they had a buy it from GameStop for 49.99. Major game down $10 at the largest retailer in less then a month, that doesnt bode well for them.TamiBx wrote...
I almost feel bad when I see that ME3 scores are so low and that there are so many bad reviews, especially because the game was amazing up until the last 10min.
But at the same time, I realize that they would not do anything about the ending if we were all nice and kept the scores high, but only complained about the ending. This is the only way they will listen: by losing money in the process.
It hurts me to do it, but I know it is necessary.
TamiBx wrote...
I almost feel bad when I see that ME3 scores are so low and that there are so many bad reviews, especially because the game was amazing up until the last 10min.
But at the same time, I realize that they would not do anything about the ending if we were all nice and kept the scores high, but only complained about the ending. This is the only way they will listen: by losing money in the process.
It hurts me to do it, but I know it is necessary.
Cybermortis wrote...
Computim wrote...
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the bullet's I'd be dying from, you've obviously never seen me use a flamethrower.
No, no I haven't thankfully.
I did see some of the pictures of the aftermath though;
*snip*
Debi-Tage wrote...
Okay, technically BW never said they would detail anything at PAX...yes, they SHOULD for many reasons but that doesn't mean they will. What if all we get is "we will be addressing player concerns and will give details about what is going to be done before the months end" are you guys still going to fall out of line? Because you know it would make it easier for them if that's what you plan on doing? Just sayin...
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