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[blueruin]

Okay I'm pretty sure this game is going to be amazing.

It's not going to be Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age 2 was an atrocity. Insofar as a video game can be an atrocity.

[Capeo]

Delta_V2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Not much to prove it's inescapable either, considering FTL still exists and other people could come by.

Does it?  I can't remember where I saw it, but I remember it being implied that not only were the relays destroyed, but all mass effect tech got trashed in the end.

From what Xio said FTL flight is not trashed. Only the relays. Though, really who cares, it would take decades to hundreds of years to get anywhere.  Even at 10 times the speed of light it would take ten to twelve thousand years to cross the galaxy. 

[TheRealJayDee]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Patriota125 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Yes

You again? Not in the mood to reply to people who don't even have a clue about ME , and im also talking to Unit Alpha.

Why would anyone have a clue about YOU.

[recentio]

Bebbe777 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

blueruin wrote...

The realities of their business dictate that they're obligated to hype up their games and dance the PR dance.  Even if they're secretly dissatisfied with their product and it was rushed due to forces beyond their control or whatever.  As the consumer though, we're not obligated to believe them.

Blue again I agree with you.  And the bigger issue is, much like how you can always sell a sequel ONCE based on the success of its predecessor, same thing with public image.  People will believe you and give you benefit of the doubt up until the point that they feel they've been blatantly lied to, misled or otherwise taken advantage of.  At that point your fan base now treats anything you say as tainted.  As the old captain of my ship once told me regarding respect but it applies to reputation as well - it's hard as hell to build up, but easy as hell to lose.

How do people say it. Reputation takes a lifetime to build, but seconds to destroy

The combined DA2 & ME3 letdowns have definitely done that for me with Bioware. I don't like MMO's much but was going to give KOTOR a shot...not anymore. I'm going back to Skyrim for a while.

[Espurr]

ratzerman wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

So now Priestly is tweeting fake ME3 spoilers. I'm glad he finds this so amusing.

I'm looking at it now, i don't see it.

Holy crap, he deleted it. I swear it was there. It was something like "Shepard is really two Volus in a suit" with the hash tag #fakeME3spoilers.

And Mac is now retweeting all of his favorite answers to his "ME3: art or entertainment" question. Unreal.

And it's at this point that my suspicions that we're being trolled just start to rise again...

[Juniper Mucius]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Haha, seriously, dude, are you unable to read? I have restated a dozen times how I would rather have my LI die than have the end the game currently does. It is a disrespect to the franchise.

I hear that your squadmates "teleport" aboard the Normandy no matter what.  Are we sure that's not just a glitch like the LI flashback?  Isn't it possible that not being with Liara is just a glitch, and fixable in a patch?

It seems to be built in, according to people who have played it.

That seems bizarre.  Unless they actually explain the sudden "teleportation" of select squadmates, I'd say it's safe to assume that's a glitch.

So I'd ask.  If the game allowed Shepard to be with his LI by fixing the possible "teleporation" glitch, and FTL still exists, would you be more happy with the endings?

[Rdubs]

This is hilarious, this summary of what we've been talking about.  Just the way the guy presents it.
http://www.giantbomb...ct-3/35-537798/

[WvStolzing]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...
Exactly, it is pure escapism.  I have a depressing life, so I turn to books, movies and video games to smile and forget for a few hours that my life sucks.

Very, very, well said.

Oh boy, how difficult is it, to appreciate this!

The writers: Again, please quit trying to create 'art'. Make escapist entertainment, but do it really, really, really well; you'll be revered as geniuses, then. Really.

[AlphaDormante]

So I've seen the videos and screenshots, but want to bring up the same thing again: those are taken from pre-rendered videos. Like someone mentioned before, if you extracted .bik files from ME2's ending, you'd just get a video of the Normandy escaping from the Collector's Base. Running to the ship, meeting up with the Illusive Man, etc. were all cutscenes rendered in-game and they were core context to the ending.

I'm not denying the existence of the videos out there, but why haven't we seen footage or screenshots of ending cutscenes rendered in-game? I'm pretty sure said cutscenes are going to exist, since the ME franchise is so heavily dependent on them. You don't need a capture device; PCs have an instant screencap key, and hell, record video on a crappy phone camera if you need to.

No disrespect to everyone going through this crap to find stuff; I'm just a bit confused by the utter lack of info for anything non-.bik videos.

[xtorma]

recentio wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

blueruin wrote...

The realities of their business dictate that they're obligated to hype up their games and dance the PR dance.  Even if they're secretly dissatisfied with their product and it was rushed due to forces beyond their control or whatever.  As the consumer though, we're not obligated to believe them.

Blue again I agree with you.  And the bigger issue is, much like how you can always sell a sequel ONCE based on the success of its predecessor, same thing with public image.  People will believe you and give you benefit of the doubt up until the point that they feel they've been blatantly lied to, misled or otherwise taken advantage of.  At that point your fan base now treats anything you say as tainted.  As the old captain of my ship once told me regarding respect but it applies to reputation as well - it's hard as hell to build up, but easy as hell to lose.

How do people say it. Reputation takes a lifetime to build, but seconds to destroy

The combined DA2 & ME3 letdowns have definitely done that for me with Bioware. I don't like MMO's much but was going to give KOTOR a shot...not anymore. I'm going back to Skyrim for a while.

SWTOR is not very good, wise decision.

[Unit-Alpha]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Haha, seriously, dude, are you unable to read? I have restated a dozen times how I would rather have my LI die than have the end the game currently does. It is a disrespect to the franchise.

I hear that your squadmates "teleport" aboard the Normandy no matter what.  Are we sure that's not just a glitch like the LI flashback?  Isn't it possible that not being with Liara is just a glitch, and fixable in a patch?

It seems to be built in, according to people who have played it.

That seems bizarre.  Unless they actually explain the sudden "teleportation" of select squadmates, I'd say it's safe to assume that's a glitch.

So I'd ask.  If the game allowed Shepard to be with his LI by fixing the possible "teleporation" glitch, and FTL still exists, would you be more happy with the endings?

Sorry, teleportation is the wrong word. Xio just said it felt like that.

[blueruin]

AlphaDormante wrote...

So I've seen the videos and screenshots, but want to bring up the same thing again: those are taken from pre-rendered videos. Like someone mentioned before, if you extracted .bik files from ME2's ending, you'd just get a video of the Normandy escaping from the Collector's Base. Running to the ship, meeting up with the Illusive Man, etc. were all cutscenes rendered in-game and they were core context to the ending.

I'm not denying the existence of the videos out there, but why haven't we seen footage or screenshots of ending cutscenes rendered in-game? I'm pretty sure said cutscenes are going to exist, since the ME franchise is so heavily dependent on them. You don't need a capture device; PCs have an instant screencap key, and hell, record video on a crappy phone camera if you need to.

No disrespect to everyone going through this crap to find stuff; I'm just a bit confused by the utter lack of info for anything non-.bik videos.

Don't be.  There are none.  People are in hysterics for no reason other than they want to be.

[Risselda]

Rdubs wrote...

This is hilarious, this summary of what we've been talking about.  Just the way the guy presents it.
http://www.giantbomb...ct-3/35-537798/

^

[Juniper Mucius]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sorry, teleportation is the wrong word. Xio just said it felt like that.

Okay, so let me get this straight.  You have Garrus on Earth at the end of the game, but then he appears on Normandy without explanation?

[Unit-Alpha]

blueruin wrote...

Don't be.  There are none.  People are in hysterics for no reason other than they want to be.

Yeah, you really know a lot it seems. Are you God?

/sarcasm

[middlemarching]

AlphaDormante wrote...

So I've seen the videos and screenshots, but want to bring up the same thing again: those are taken from pre-rendered videos. Like someone mentioned before, if you extracted .bik files from ME2's ending, you'd just get a video of the Normandy escaping from the Collector's Base. Running to the ship, meeting up with the Illusive Man, etc. were all cutscenes rendered in-game and they were core context to the ending.

I'm not denying the existence of the videos out there, but why haven't we seen footage or screenshots of ending cutscenes rendered in-game? I'm pretty sure said cutscenes are going to exist, since the ME franchise is so heavily dependent on them. You don't need a capture device; PCs have an instant screencap key, and hell, record video on a crappy phone camera if you need to.

No disrespect to everyone going through this crap to find stuff; I'm just a bit confused by the utter lack of info for anything non-.bik videos.

^^^^^

yes, this! Thank you!

[RazorrX]

xtorma wrote...

recentio wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

blueruin wrote...

The realities of their business dictate that they're obligated to hype up their games and dance the PR dance.  Even if they're secretly dissatisfied with their product and it was rushed due to forces beyond their control or whatever.  As the consumer though, we're not obligated to believe them.

Blue again I agree with you.  And the bigger issue is, much like how you can always sell a sequel ONCE based on the success of its predecessor, same thing with public image.  People will believe you and give you benefit of the doubt up until the point that they feel they've been blatantly lied to, misled or otherwise taken advantage of.  At that point your fan base now treats anything you say as tainted.  As the old captain of my ship once told me regarding respect but it applies to reputation as well - it's hard as hell to build up, but easy as hell to lose.

How do people say it. Reputation takes a lifetime to build, but seconds to destroy

The combined DA2 & ME3 letdowns have definitely done that for me with Bioware. I don't like MMO's much but was going to give KOTOR a shot...not anymore. I'm going back to Skyrim for a while.

SWTOR is not very good, wise decision.

IT is not that SWTOR is bad, to me it is just . . . bleh.  I rapidly lost my ability to log in willingly, and began to force myself to log in to try and grind through the storylines to see how it ended and then . . . just stopped logging in as it was not really fun.

Now for many I am sure it is the most awesomest of awesome things, but for me the mediocre gameplay coupled with not really that good storylines made it a no win.  

[Sashimi_taco]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sorry, teleportation is the wrong word. Xio just said it felt like that.

Okay, so let me get this straight.  You have Garrus on Earth at the end of the game, but then he appears on Normandy without explanation?

Maybe... there are bugs?

*sob

[Weltenschlange]

Heathen Pride wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Just pretend Adam Jensen is Kai Leng and Shepard is JC Denton. Pretend that Mass Effect and Deus Ex had a baby.

LOL. Even the colors they use reminds me of the Deux Ex endings. The Illuminati monitors have a blue hue(control), Helios has  green lighting(merging) and Tong's dark age destruction ending with lots of red warning lights and explosions(destroy ending).

Really? That would make things even more 'hilarious'.

I think by now I am required by law to install my copy of Deus Ex.

[DifferentD17]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

blueruin wrote...

Don't be.  There are none.  People are in hysterics for no reason other than they want to be.

Yeah, you really know a lot it seems. Are you God?

/sarcasm

No she/he is not. For I know who is god.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 02 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[Rdubs]

This comes across as a last-minute desparate attempt to throw a red herring.  Anyone believe this right now?
http://www.strategyi...uests-neglected

Edit: Here's Hudson: "You can have some kind of ending and victory, but it’ll be a lot more brutal and minimal relative to if you do a lot of stuff. If you really build a lot of stuff and bring people to your side and rally the entire galaxy around you, and you come into the end game with that, then you’ll get an amazing, very definitive ending."

Modifié par Rdubs, 02 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Armass81]

Capeo wrote...

Delta_V2 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Not much to prove it's inescapable either, considering FTL still exists and other people could come by.

Does it?  I can't remember where I saw it, but I remember it being implied that not only were the relays destroyed, but all mass effect tech got trashed in the end.

From what Xio said FTL flight is not trashed. Only the relays. Though, really who cares, it would take decades to hundreds of years to get anywhere.  Even at 10 times the speed of light it would take ten to twelve thousand years to cross the galaxy. 

Standard FTL in ME universe is over 3600 times the speed of light. It takes 27 years to cross the galaxy with that speed if you have the fuel.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[Unit-Alpha]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sorry, teleportation is the wrong word. Xio just said it felt like that.

Okay, so let me get this straight.  You have Garrus on Earth at the end of the game, but then he appears on Normandy without explanation?

You might want to ask him directly. He was a bit vague.

[humes spork]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It's easy as hell to make a bleak ending. It's nearly impossible to make a good one that is happy. Bioware's writers have nowhere near the skill required.

For something like this? It's not that hard.

Depending on Shepard's choices and actions, he either rallies the Citadel races to unify against the Reaper threat or finds help from other sources that, while less reputable are no less capable in the end.

Paragon Shepard gets the Citadel fleet. Renegade Shepard gets the bird from the Citadel races, and wheels and deals to bring the krogan in (with the promise of a genophage cure, whether Shep's being truthful about it or not), the quarians or the geth (choice there, if Legion was loyal), has to bargain with the batarians for aid (something like a Molotov treaty where the batarians invade Citadel space and the humans look the other way or give them secret aid), and is even forced to give the yahg technology to help fight even though that'll definitely have dire consequences in the long term. If the rachni got saved, they join either way.

Shep leads the Citadel, or his ragtag baddy, fleet back through the Charon relay. Depending on who's there and what decisions are made, they win or lose. If Shep's forced to bring in the quarians, the migrant fleet is wiped out and the quarians end up going extinct for example. If Shep's forced to lie about the genophage cure, the krogan rebellions end up starting again and they're wiped out; if Shep has the genophage cure, the krogan get it and eventually restart the krogan rebellions and win. Other stuff like that. In the end, for a renegade Shepard the political status quo reigns on a galactic scale but a far greater political storm rumbles on the horizon as humanity and the "friends" it made during the Reaper war never forget how the Council abandoned them during their darkest hour and begin laying plans to wipe the Council and the races it represents from the galaxy.

Oh, the paragons don't get off scot free either. Depending on choices made, the Citadel fleet may end up wiped out. Maybe the batarians invade and take over a huge portion of Citadel space. Or the volus stage an economic coup against the turians. Perhaps even the krogan seize the opportunity against the weakened salarians and force them to cure the genophage anyway, but have matured since the rebellions and join the galactic community in peace, policing their own population growth where they did not before thanks to Wrex's legacy. In the end, the Council as it was known is completely broken down and replaced by a parliamentary system giving all races a stake and voice in galactic politics.

But for a brief, shining moment races from all walks, philosophies, creeds, biologies, and cultures united to defeat the greatest threat the galaxy has ever known. The galaxy takes note and never forgets that, or the sacrifices made. Whether that leads to a nobler, more united galactic community that now understands and helps each other more intimately than never before, or a horrific galaxy-wide civil war that ends only in genocide, is up to Shepard. But either way, humanity is after a half-century understood and has its definitive place among the stars where before it had not even after being given a seat on an antiquated and unresponsive Council.

[blueruin]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

blueruin wrote...

Don't be.  There are none.  People are in hysterics for no reason other than they want to be.

Yeah, you really know a lot it seems. Are you God?

/sarcasm

A bit defensive, aren't you?