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[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

That's a thing they should have thought about. It's fine for the people who have read the books and understand who Grayson is and what Kai Leng's story is but I didn't read the books so these names / characters have no meaning for me. I have no point of reference for them within the ME universe.

I'm a bit ambivalent about using them. In a way I feel the same way I did about Diana Allers (as a aconcept, if we forget about Wong for a moment), namely that it's a cool little gimmick, taking side characters from all over, something like Batman Arkham Asylum and Arkham City have done. I'm one of those persons who like to find easter eggs and google things I suspect might be allusions, rather than have those things introduced to me.

And therein lies the problem, since, to my understanding, ME is not as all over the placeas my example Cape Crusader is. I mean, ME exists mainly in the three games, everything else being extra, so there isn't any ground to suppose majority of gamers get Kai Leng and such. I don't think the story-telling of ME really works with such characters either, not the way they were in ME3. In ME2, listening to the npcs etc worked, but having some unknown side-ninja to be an active character? 

But then again, it wouldn't be any different for me if Kai Leng was replaced with your random Cerberus cannonfood centurion. I named mine Joe. So as I said, ambivalent, and indifferent. 

Should I btw try the books? I'm a bit iffy about franchise books, like Star Wars, but every once in a while even they manage to squeeze out a story I enjoy, like Zahn did with Thrawn-trilogy. 

Modifié par Atrocity, 03 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[firstarioch]

Lets not even talk about Kyle Lang.
I just pretend he is not there and doesn't exist.
Its like Raiden in Mass Effect ....ridiculous.

[Rothgar49]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

 

Rothgar49 wrote...

This might have been mentioned already or maybe not - I don't understand all the people saying things like "Plzzz don't change the endings!!!!!!". I've been following the @masseffect twitter page for a while now and every now and then another of these posts pop up and it really frustrates me - in fact the closest thing I can relate this to is Cerberus in ME3. We're all trying hard to do something we feel is for the best, and for no apparent reason they can jusitify they keep trying to prevent that.  

I'm happy for them if they like and enjoy the ending, that's great, good for them!

I don't - so why oh why do people keep trying to prevent any changes to the ending? 
Could someone, anyone please just explain to these people that if Bioware do create a piece of DLC to change, partly alter or even expand the endings, then being in the nature of DLC - It's optional! You wouldn't have to download it, or even pay for it. So that way you can have your ending and we could have ours. So what is the problem!?

From what I could gather, some think we want the endings to be implemented in a way where if they play again it would be altered. This isn't what we want but they aren't even trying to look and see it. Still even if it is optional some feel these shouldn't exist alongside their endings and we should suck it up and try to appreciate the art behind them.

How selfish is that? So if they were downloaded by choice only, it's still ruining their experience. I can assume that means just the thought of there being other endings ruins their story because they exist. Even if they have no intention of playing the fact that they exist annoys them.

I could be wrong though, but that's what I gathered.

Well that's just selfish and messed up. <_<

[DJBare]

firstarioch wrote...
Lets not even talk about Kyle Lang.
I just pretend he is not there and doesn't exist.
Its like Raiden in Mass Effect ....ridiculous.

The only problem I had with Leng is he was not fleshed out properly, I got to know his character in Retribution, he is quite a complex character, but in game he is 2 dimensional.

[Nharia1]

DJBare wrote...

tenojitsu wrote...
The line is getting heavy. I think I might tie it into a noose and do myself a favor, lol.

Around here soldier, if you wish to die, then die in the service of the line, sergeant, set this one up as cannon fodder!

Righty ho, Mr Bond. Soldier your being sent on a recon mission into No-mans land, think you can handle it?
Also Mr. Bond, I've got a question, who out ranks who? Who's the highest ranking officer in this thread?

[Razith]

Phoenix NL wrote...


Should I btw try the books? I'm a bit iffy about franchise books, like Star Wars, but every once in a while even they manage to squeeze out a story I enjoy, like Zahn did with Thrawn-trilogy. 

I read this and I couldn't help, but think of the renegade response of "Of course read the books! Start with Deception by William C. Dietz!"

And if memory serves me right the Paragon response is "Read Revelation by Drew Karpyshyn!"

Too early in the morning, must sleep.

Edit - no idea why double quotes.

Modifié par Razith, 03 avril 2012 - 09:31 .

[d1ta]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

d1ta wrote...
*snip*

Think about the situation for a sec. If BioWare, or EA puts off annoucning anything at PAX, they are pretty much screwed as far as getting much future support, so its in their best interests to actually tell us something at PAX and not after.

Well I don't know about the rest of you but I'm starting to look towards PAX with a boatload of trepidation, some hope but mainly trepidation.

Awww  *hugs*
But then again, this EA rep might just be repeating the same sentiment on what the Doctor said on his blog..

And yeah, I'm betting they're going to have to say something about this mess since all eyes are on them. Question is, will it be significant enough to answer all of those question marks floating in our heads (be it good or bad) or will it still be along the lines of 'still figuring it out, ttyl'.. 

@Mr.Bond: do you think we should inform the 'extrimist' about this? XD
I know it'll end up bad, but it's kinda exciting.. like having your hand over the nuclear button kind of exciting.. >=)

[silencemayday]

reporting in..
good morning line holders.

nothing really exciting i gather?

[firstarioch]

REPLY TO DJBARE :
I understand where you coming from. Bit the book should just enhance a character tell a additional story or give extra layer of opcomplexity.
Here we have the oppostie. Game just throws kai leng at you and he is so boring and one dimensional its just like oh God ...ninja in mass effect ..skip and forget.
plus this archetype has been so ovrsuded to death in games I reallyvthought they would do something original.
I don't know ..even brother of our Drell or anything would be better than this.
Kojima killed of ninjas in games for me.

[Phl0w]

After watching this movement for a awhile I finally see fit to say something on it. Half of me wants to believe Bioware is pulling a Valve and trolling their community as a delay tactic to keep awesomeness behind closed doors, however this is out of character for EA let alone bioware. With all the info at hand however, it seems more probable EA/Bioware is unable to swallow any amount of pride and they will spin their ending into something vaugley understandable (maybe) via retardedness. We will just have to accept it at face value and move on, there is still a chance they will pull the proverbial rabbit out of their hat, but odds are low.

At least now, Gabe Newell will see the price of failure if he trolls my ending to the half-life saga. I'll take what I can get.

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

*snip*
But then again, it wouldn't be any different for me if Kai Leng was replaced with your random Cerberus cannonfood centurion. I named mine Joe. So as I said, ambivalent, and indifferent. 

Mine always became variations of Bob, it got quite strange after a while.

[wicked_being]

If we're getting the Omega dlc, I wonder if Bioware will pattern it after Dietz's vision of Omega...

Turian-pulling-rickshaw and artificial day and night cycle anyone?

[SkaldFish]

I'm very close to my bulls**t saturation point. If the Mexican news turns out to be true, that'll be my tipping point. All faith in BioWare's ability to understand the difference between good writing and crap will be gone. Hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours blasted to hell by massive arrogance and incompetence.

I'll delete all my BioWare games, close my account, and I will never be back. After all, I have my own artistic integrity to preserve.

[d1ta]

When I see Kai Leng, it's like somebody just rip a character off from an old Kungfu movie complete with his gung-ho ness and place it in the mass effect world O.o' it felt weird.. It felt even weirder when he sent me an e-mail.. =O
Those are just my, "........." Kinda moment during the game.

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

*snip*
But then again, it wouldn't be any different for me if Kai Leng was replaced with your random Cerberus cannonfood centurion. I named mine Joe. So as I said, ambivalent, and indifferent. 

Mine always became variations of Bob, it got quite strange after a while.

All of the henchmen in Arkham City are Joe to me as well, the naming actually started after I heard one of them complaining how Batman had broken his arm in the last game. Well, all other are Joe but the lady-ninja's of course.  

So that makes Joe the most goddamn efficient henchman in the history of henchmaning, fighting Batman, fighting other villains in AC, fighting Shepard, fighting reapers, heck, probably even fighting Grayson Hunt.

A toast to henchman Joe, and Bob. Wihtout you, gaming just wouldn't be the same.

[Atrocity]

d1ta wrote...

When I see Kai Leng, it's like somebody just rip a character off from an old Kungfu movie complete with his gung-ho ness and place it in the mass effect world O.o' it felt weird.. It felt even weirder when he sent me an e-mail.. =O
Those are just my, "........." Kinda moment during the game.

I wondered during ME2, and still do, how common knowledge is Shepard's email anyhow? I can believe Kai Leng getting a message through, but the spam mail from ME2? As hilarious as that is, you'd think that a dead-resurrected-ex-spectre-Cerberus agent might have a slightly more private address. 

[AntiDave]

Phl0w wrote...

After watching this movement for a awhile I finally see fit to say something on it. Half of me wants to believe Bioware is pulling a Valve and trolling their community as a delay tactic to keep awesomeness behind closed doors, however this is out of character for EA let alone bioware. With all the info at hand however, it seems more probable EA/Bioware is unable to swallow any amount of pride and they will spin their ending into something vaugley understandable (maybe) via retardedness. We will just have to accept it at face value and move on, there is still a chance they will pull the proverbial rabbit out of their hat, but odds are low.

At least now, Gabe Newell will see the price of failure if he trolls my ending to the half-life saga. I'll take what I can get.

There is a misconception at work here:
Half-Life's lore was never the core of its success. The game always was a tech-demo that Valve continuously expanded through the episodes. I'm glad Newell decided to delay the third part5. If he rushed it like EA rushed ME3 it would end in catastrophe for Valve. Besides they won't produce another HL title unless they can offer some technological innovation that can help the FPS genre advance.

The worse thing Valve could do is play to the fanboys who like their games for the lore. The story might have developed into something interesting but making that a justification for churning out one HL episode after the other would just be milking and destroying the franchise.

Your assessment that EA isn't capable of pulling off Valve's quality through delay tactic is correct however. Ea is simply interested in franchise milking. They didn't care loosing the core RTS branch to Blizz by ruining the CnC franchise. And if they can get Bioware to put out a Mass Effect title with fanboy writing quality every year anjd milk revenue out oif these title through microtransactions there is no reason for them to improve the quality for really dedicated fans.

[Matt_gekko88]

I liked Kai Leng. Even if he was 2-dimensional, even if he was a "Space-Ninja with hands shooting magic-beams". He made a good villain.

Modifié par Matt_gekko88, 03 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Atrocity wrote...
I wondered during ME2, and still do, how common knowledge is Shepard's email anyhow? I can believe Kai Leng getting a message through, but the spam mail from ME2? As hilarious as that is, you'd think that a dead-resurrected-ex-spectre-Cerberus agent might have a slightly more private address. 

And haven't there been a few "Admiral Hackett told me how to contact you" e-mails too?

Sure, let's give an officer's/spectre's e-mail while he's on classified business to save the galaxy.

[Atrocity]

SkaldFish wrote...

I'm very close to my bulls**t saturation point. If the Mexican news turns out to be true, that'll be my tipping point. All faith in BioWare's ability to understand the difference between good writing and crap will be gone. Hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours blasted to hell by massive arrogance and incompetence.

I'll delete all my BioWare games, close my account, and I will never be back. After all, I have my own artistic integrity to preserve.

Could someone paraphrase those news for me, or point me to the right page of the thread?

[silencemayday]

i'm currently very amused by 'i hope kai leng...'
http://ihopekaileng.tumblr.com/

"I hope Kai Leng is walking along on a windy day and he sees someone attractive coming towards him but the wind makes his eyes water and then he sneezes so he is sniffing and the attractive person thinks he’s crying."

"I hope Kai Leng is riding shotgun in the Mako with Commander Shepard and forgot to put his seat belt on."

"I hope Kai Leng forgets what system he needed to go to for a side mission so he has to exit the navigation screen and check his journal."

they are all quite brilliant.

[Atrocity]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Atrocity wrote...
I wondered during ME2, and still do, how common knowledge is Shepard's email anyhow? I can believe Kai Leng getting a message through, but the spam mail from ME2? As hilarious as that is, you'd think that a dead-resurrected-ex-spectre-Cerberus agent might have a slightly more private address. 

And haven't there been a few "Admiral Hackett told me how to contact you" e-mails too?

Sure, let's give an officer's/spectre's e-mail while he's on classified business to save the galaxy.

But to be fair, as we witnessed throughout ME, Shepard is Hackett's personal errand-girl/boy, so maybe he doesn't see it as a security threath. I'm surprised he didn't make me pick up his dry cleaning. Hey, that's an idea for DLC, "Hackett's back, now walk his dogs" 

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

*snip*
But then again, it wouldn't be any different for me if Kai Leng was replaced with your random Cerberus cannonfood centurion. I named mine Joe. So as I said, ambivalent, and indifferent. 

Mine always became variations of Bob, it got quite strange after a while.

All of the henchmen in Arkham City are Joe to me as well, the naming actually started after I heard one of them complaining how Batman had broken his arm in the last game. Well, all other are Joe but the lady-ninja's of course.  

So that makes Joe the most goddamn efficient henchman in the history of henchmaning, fighting Batman, fighting other villains in AC, fighting Shepard, fighting reapers, heck, probably even fighting Grayson Hunt.

A toast to henchman Joe, and Bob. Wihtout you, gaming just wouldn't be the same.

Surely the female ninjas would be josephine or joanna?  But yes, here here to Joe and Bob!

[Nimiria]

Its so nice, so much people still are here

Any interesting news so far?

[JPR1964]

@silencemayday :

thanks for the link.

JPR out!