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[Kazaru]

LethesDeep wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

Not very hopeful right now. I just fear they are going to clarify a couple things, and that's it. Better not have to pay for a proper ending also.

Why not? If BioWare was smart they would bundle "new ending DLC" with a paid story DLC. That would cover production costs for remaking the endings. Then release just the ending content as free DLC and release a version of the paid story DLC without the ending content. BioWare minimalizes financial costs and the fans (ALL the fans) get what they were promised. Everyone wins.

I don't see its that way. Everything else than a 100% free ending DLC is a lost for us, because of the 2 posibilities.

1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.

2. BW planed this all a long.
What is really not good. To make a game with "no" or a "bad" ending, and only make it proper when its demanded, or even worse to have the ending remove it only to sell more DLCs. That can't be the way, we bought a full game so we deserve a full game, not a half game and the rest of it on deman. It also can lead to games where is no beginning or ending, only when you buy it via DLC.

Thats what i think about it.
Only a free DLC is a real victory, and showes us that BW care about there fanbase.

Ps: Sry for tippos and bad english , but i hope everybody understand what i try to say.

[VyseN1]

Aedera wrote...

Here is a hint...if you open up you wallets, they care. I am preparing to be disappointed because I just don't think they will change from their vision. They won't notice the mistake until we don't buy their DLC or next games. By then, it will be to late for Shepard. That is why mine never came out of the apartment with miranda. Universe is effed either way since it all ends the same. May as well just hang out with my love interest and watch it burn.

That is my fear as well.

[Phoenix NL]

d1ta wrote...

*snip*
 the Flores people? Urban legend still says they aren't extinct yet. Just their numbers are small and they are well hidden. Somewhere in the densely forest of Sumatra I believe they also have this kind of story if memory serves right. Some local villagers reported seeing them, but.. They're just as mysterious as the Yeti (the live ones, I mean ;p)

Well now that Shepard has ruined the galaxy maybe they can come out of hiding and take over what remains of Earth?

[ziyon conqueror]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Good <Insert local time period here> all just thoughts on a paid ending DLC change.

While I'm really hoping that BW relaese DLC to fix the ending of Mass Effect 3 I'm really nervous that this will create a precedent where it becomes acceptable for publishers/developers to realease unfinished products because they can always release the rest later for people to buy if they want to finish a game.

Personally I feel that this totally violates the retailer-customer relationship why should we have to pay for an incomplete product and THEN have to pay to finish it.

I hear you man. I already have my second Shepard lined up, ready to take on Cerberus HQ and Galactic Readiness is near 100% (just keeps dropping), but I won't finish until the new ending comes out.

[VyseN1]

Kazaru wrote...

I don't see its that way. Everything else than a 100% free ending DLC is a lost for us, because of the 2 posibilities.

1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.

2. BW planed this all a long.
What is really not good. To make a game with "no" or a "bad" ending, and only make it proper when its demanded, or even worse to have the ending remove it only to sell more DLCs. That can't be the way, we bought a full game so we deserve a full game, not a half game and the rest of it on deman. It also can lead to games where is no beginning or ending, only when you buy it via DLC.

Thats what i think about it.
Only a free DLC is a real victory, and showes us that BW care about there fanbase.

Ps: Sry for tippos and bad english , but i hope everybody understand what i try to say.

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[g_bassi13]

Kazaru wrote...

1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.

Don't try making a negative analogy with bacon. It can't be done. Bacon makes everything better.

[Nilofeliu]

ziyon conqueror wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Good <Insert local time period here> all just thoughts on a paid ending DLC change.

While I'm really hoping that BW relaese DLC to fix the ending of Mass Effect 3 I'm really nervous that this will create a precedent where it becomes acceptable for publishers/developers to realease unfinished products because they can always release the rest later for people to buy if they want to finish a game.

Personally I feel that this totally violates the retailer-customer relationship why should we have to pay for an incomplete product and THEN have to pay to finish it.

I hear you man. I already have my second Shepard lined up, ready to take on Cerberus HQ and Galactic Readiness is near 100% (just keeps dropping), but I won't finish until the new ending comes out.

I haven't touched any ME game since I finished ME3 the first time. I tried opening it a few times, but just didn't have the heart to play it.

On another topic, I am anxious for the PAX to arrive,  to we can hear some official news regarding the future of the ME franchise, but on the other hand, I am terrified they will just say "that's how it is meant to end, suck it up". 

Also, if they decide to simply "clarify" the endings with a patch or whatever, by addings a few text lines, or even a few cut scenes, it just won't do, because nothing in the universe can clarify those endings we got.

We need a better endings, not a happy one, but one that makes sense, one that acknowledges what we did all though the games, and that gives a sense of closure.

/Salute

And still holding the line..

[Major Swift]

quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?

[chmarr]

remember to vote guys n gals

http://consumerist.c...rica-vs-ea.html

[Mastermadskills]

The next few days will determine everything for us. If they don't do something about the ending at PAX...

[Major Swift]

chmarr wrote...

remember to vote guys n gals

http://consumerist.c...rica-vs-ea.html

thanks for the link, just voted

[Phoenix NL]

Major Swift wrote...

quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?

It had better not be just about mp dlc.....

[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?

It had better not be just about mp dlc.....

i actually can't really pick between the two which is why i asked lol, on one hand they'd be pretty much calling us all stupid for not understanding how great what we got is, and on the other hand MP DLC only announcement would mean they are absolutely not the Bioware we all know anymore, i guess i'd have to go with MP DLC being the worst of the two

[g_bassi13]

Major Swift wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?

It had better not be just about mp dlc.....

i actually can't really pick between the two which is why i asked lol, on one hand they'd be pretty much calling us all stupid for not understanding how great what we got is, and on the other hand MP DLC only announcement would mean they are absolutely not the Bioware we all know anymore, i guess i'd have to go with MP DLC being the worst of the two

If it was about a MP DLC, does that mean they hypothetically ignored the endings issue altogether?

[d1ta]

Phoenix NL wrote...

d1ta wrote...

*snip*
 the Flores people? Urban legend still says they aren't extinct yet.. *snip*

Well now that Shepard has ruined the galaxy maybe they can come out of hiding and take over what remains of Earth?

 
"...... play the next ME MMO as space hobbit.." >.> do NOT want 
*quickly thinks of something else to purge the image*

@Major Swift: tough question it's like people asking would you prefer to have brain cancer or serious heart problem?  either way its.. uhm.. :'( 
But maybe l'll be more in a rage for the MP content -.- ME is/was(?) supposed to be a SP game after all.

[Tyion133]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?

It had better not be just about mp dlc.....

i actually can't really pick between the two which is why i asked lol, on one hand they'd be pretty much calling us all stupid for not understanding how great what we got is, and on the other hand MP DLC only announcement would mean they are absolutely not the Bioware we all know anymore, i guess i'd have to go with MP DLC being the worst of the two

If it was about a MP DLC, does that mean they hypothetically ignored the endings issue altogether?

That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...

[chmarr]

~jumps on the DLC speculation bandwagon~

ok the DLC i think will be a "filler" they will give us enough to keep us calm while they scurry around fixing the planned DLC to tie in with what we all requested.

will they change the endings........ no they wont and they have said that in not so cryptic ways with there tweets (which again take with a pinch of salt) but again i COULD be wrong but the way bioware are acting they wont, and with the EA PA guys going in force to PAX says that they are adiment they are expecting a TON of trouble.

second is will they add a new ending or more........ possible if bioware want to regain trust and regain the fanbase then it makes good buisness sense to do this option.
since the starchild on console versions cant be removed due to the media type it makes it impossible to remove it and a patch costs $40,000 for xboxlive which means EA and Bioware would need to recoup there losses which means PAID DLC.

pc versions can be fixed very easily with a patch which can then add / remove things which are not needed and also fix some of the gameplay issues i've read about.

third, will it be premium/paid DLC .......... this is a 50/50, due to the STILL news worthy negitive media attention bioware AND EA are reciving, i feel it would be in there best intrests to give some free DLC to tide us over untill there "fixed" planned DLC is ready.

we all know that to make brand NEW DLC from scratch can take anywhere from 5 weeks to 6 months so worst case we might be stuck with the raptorgod awful starchild and stupidly nonsensicle retarded colour coded endings, which kinda sucks if your colour blind.

in a buisiness sense it would make better news if they actually supported there customers / fanbase as it then paints them in a positive light which then starts to humanise them.

should EA and/or bioware admit they screwed up ........ yes
why? well if they dont admit they messed up somewhere then they dont give a toss about there customers.

if they did admit they messed up then it makes them look a lot better to there customers AND there stock holders, because who would want stock in a company that does not listen nor care about the people that buy there products

remember the whole FIFA debacle with there DLC where they hit banhammers on legit owned people who owned and purchased the DLC, the evidence EA wanted off people surpassed data protection laws, how often do you get asked for your username / password by an EA support staff member in a LIVECHAT with them.

the DLC issue is going to be such a hot issue and is going to have a hairtrigger if it goes titsup, if they compromise with us by actually talking to us then good BUT they need to list the options that are fair to us all and not just there choices but also ours.

i'm sure we can compromise on some issues but not on all of them.

so yes i do think we will get a mix of free and paid DLC but i feel it will be at stupid high prices.

i'd take more free avatar items and more free MP items because the microtransactions suck, 160ms points for a spectre pack and then 80 for another and 120 for another, thats really high for single use items and unlockables.

they should release a pack thats free that unlocks ALL the mp charator types

[chmarr]

Tyion133 wrote...
That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...

when did EA or Bioware ever care for its fans ?!?!?!?!?!?

[Kyria Nyriese]

DJBare wrote...

firstarioch wrote...
Lets not even talk about Kyle Lang.
I just pretend he is not there and doesn't exist.
Its like Raiden in Mass Effect ....ridiculous.

The only problem I had with Leng is he was not fleshed out properly, I got to know his character in Retribution, he is quite a complex character, but in game he is 2 dimensional.

Playing catch up after sleeping.  I agree, I read Retribution as well, and I thought Leng was a very strong character in the book, but I don't believe he should have been in the game, because without him being in all the games, to establish who he is, it come across as who the heck is that?  I don't think adding a character to the game that you really needed to read the book to understand was a good idea.

[Tyion133]

chmarr wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...

when did EA or Bioware ever care for its fans ?!?!?!?!?!?

Bioware have cared for their fans... Well... They did at least respond in a non-cryptic way if you asked them a question. Now they just dodge it and only reply to positive ''feedback''

EA, never...

[VyseN1]

chmarr wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...

when did EA or Bioware ever care for its fans ?!?!?!?!?!?

Bioware did until they were assimilated by EA. 

[Arokel]

VyseN1 wrote...

chmarr wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...

when did EA or Bioware ever care for its fans ?!?!?!?!?!?

Bioware did until they were assimilated by EA. 

QFT

There is a reason EA are in the finals for Worst Company in America.  Boy do they deserve it.

The ME3 debacle is just the tip of the freaking iceberg.

Modifié par Arokel, 03 avril 2012 - 03:57 .

[CuseGirl]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

DJBare wrote...

firstarioch wrote...
Lets not even talk about Kyle Lang.
I just pretend he is not there and doesn't exist.
Its like Raiden in Mass Effect ....ridiculous.

The only problem I had with Leng is he was not fleshed out properly, I got to know his character in Retribution, he is quite a complex character, but in game he is 2 dimensional.

Playing catch up after sleeping.  I agree, I read Retribution as well, and I thought Leng was a very strong character in the book, but I don't believe he should have been in the game, because without him being in all the games, to establish who he is, it come across as who the heck is that?  I don't think adding a character to the game that you really needed to read the book to understand was a good idea.

The bolded part times 100. The way Kai Leng was introduced was sorta how I felt about Garrus in ME-2 because I don't have an Xbox. I was supposed to feel like I knew him but I just didn't. It was wierd for me to believe Shepard and Garrus were friends. After playing the game 6 times, I got over that. But the Kai Leng thing was just nonsense, in particular the "COVER ME, I need to Recharge" B.S. So he gets to recharger his sheilds in the middle of battle? Really? And go nearly translucent and do backflips? Wtf.....

[Major Swift]

everytime i think of how this whole thing with the endings went down i think of this scene right here from star wars
EA=Palpatine
Bioware=Anakin
Better endings=Mace Windu

[Cybermortis]

d1ta wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Ugh... "address". That sounds about as unconvincing as "clarify". Reading these things makes me feel worse about our chances rather than better.

And missing another word 'Add'. As in 'Adding new endings'. But whatever they're going to do, I hope they're not trying to 'address' the issue with.. moar space magic >

With all the clamour about 'make happy endings optional', 'total defeat ending achievable' and something in between.. I thought they would listen O.o'

Oh well, we shall see what happens in PAX, then. That day either I'll be celebrating with you fine people, or I'll be coming down here looking and giving comfort hugs -.-

'Address' is the sort of language I'd expect them to use. 'Change' implies that they made a serious mistake with the ending, if not released a 'broken' or imcompleate product. It would also indicate that the existing ending is no longer canon - which it should be remembered would annoy some people who like the existing endings.

All we can take away from the two tweets in question, plus other hints from other sources is;

They are working on a 'ending' DLC of some sort, and probably have been for a week or two.

They will be announcing the existance of the DLC at PAX. 

It is important to note that the DLC may NOT be released next week. The wording used would seem to imply that it will be released later in the month. It is important to note this for two reasons;
First so no one gets their hopes up of the DLC being ready next week.
Second because the longer it takes them to produce the more content the DLC is likely to contain - and therefore the greater the number of alterations planned for the ending. This might also tally with the general impression that they have dragged in everyone not already employed on other projects. Basically the longer we have to wait the more likely it is that we will get something closer to what was asked for. 

That they are even willing to admit to the existance of an 'ending' DLC means that they have taken this VERY seriously. If they are taking it seriously then they will be well aware of what is and isn't going to be well received - and an epilog/clarrification is NOT on the list of 'will make people happy'. 

That they have taken it seriously also means that they must be under a considerable amount of pressure to address the problem. This pressure is unlikely to come purely from the media, but is probably a result of the BW/EA boards looking at sales figures and calculating that making the DLC would cost less than the continued drop of sales - and potential losses in the long term as people turn away from Bioware. BW has already become a literal joke because of the ending issue, and even the 'suits' would blanch at the idea of putting out a poor quality ending DLC or one that isn't really what was asked for - it would make the situation even worse...and potentially ruin Biowares reputation to a point it can never recover from. My feeling is that it would be in everyone's best interests for them to produce the sort of DLC we were asking for.