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Major Swift wrote...
everytime i think of how this whole thing with the endings went down i think of this scene right here from star wars
EA=Palpatine
Bioware=Anakin
Better endings=Mace Windu
Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 03 avril 2012 - 04:05 .
chmarr wrote...
Tyion133 wrote...
That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...
when did EA or Bioware ever care for its fans ?!?!?!?!?!?
OMG - That's it!!!g_bassi13 wrote...
Kazaru wrote...
1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.
Don't try making a negative analogy with bacon. It can't be done. Bacon makes everything better.
Tyion133 wrote...
g_bassi13 wrote...
If it was about a MP DLC, does that mean they hypothetically ignored the endings issue altogether?
That, or they just dont care about their fans anymore...
Modifié par xcomcmdr, 03 avril 2012 - 04:13 .
d1ta wrote...
When I see Kai Leng, it's like somebody just rip a character off from an old Kungfu movie complete with his gung-ho ness and place it in the mass effect world O.o' it felt weird.. It felt even weirder when he sent me an e-mail.. =O
Those are just my, "........." Kinda moment during the game.
SkaldFish wrote...
OMG - That's it!!!g_bassi13 wrote...
Kazaru wrote...
1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.
Don't try making a negative analogy with bacon. It can't be done. Bacon makes everything better.
StarChild: [...explains 3 options...]
Shepard: ...or, you little s**t, I could just eat this slice of hot, crisp bacon!
Because bacon makes everything better - even a crappy ending.
KaiserinKai wrote...
Major Nemesis wrote...
I honestly thought that the campaign was, for the majority, one of the greatest games I have ever played. It was emotional both happy and sad. If I could describe the game in one word, it would be "epic".
Though I felt betrayed in the final 10 minutes of the game. When charging towards the particle beam to the Citadel and the following bleak endings, I felt as if someone else had taken the developer control from Bioware and gave us all 16 horrible endings purely for the sake of seeming philosophically sophisticated. Everything I had ever done in all of the games seemed to be absolutely pointless. All character relationships were rendered meaningless. I could have taken the janitor of the Citadel on the final mission and it wouldn't have made a significant difference in the end of the game.
I made sure I did every decision in the prior games the way I would actually make them in real life. The game is very captivating and I really got into the series. I play videogames to escape the bleak realities of our world which is stricken by war, death and mistrust. I play games to immerse myself in a universe where, at the end of the day, while it may seem too ideal for reality, I get the fairytale ending where everything works out. The mass relays are gone, Shepard is supposedly dead, the crew of the Normandy bailed in the fight for Earth, they also somehow managed to pick up Garrus and Liara (my squadmates) within the 5 minutes between me entering the Citadel and it exploding and leave. That doesn't make any sense.
The Normandy wouldn't have time for that and they would never leave Shepard. Garrus said before the final mission that he would stick with Shepard to the end. When he stepped out of the Normandy on some far off planet in some other system, that meant that he in fact lied to Shepard and left him to die. I don't see that as being possible.
Now that the mass relays are gone, how is anyone going to communicate and travel to other systems? The crew of the Normandy is now trapped on some distant uninhabited planet thousands of lightyears away from earth. They will never get back. Are they just going to set up camp and start a new race? I don't think so.
All of the fleets that massed together for the final attack are now trapped near earth and far from their homes. That doesn't make sense. How are they going to make that work?
It was also my understanding that if a Mass Relay went critical and exploded, that it would be similar to an energy release of a supernova. That means that many of the homeworlds of all the primary species were completely obliterated by the Mass Relay explosions that Shepard generated. I don't think that is something Shepard would be willing to do.
I like the idea that people have been proposing that the last scnenes were the Reaper indoctrination of Shepard. That makes sense to me considering the scene at the end that shows Shepard in the London rubble. Shepard could not have survived the citadel explosion and then fall to Earth. His body would have been obliterated into nothing.
So what I am hoping is true and what I will believe if this is never resloved is that right before Shepard and the others made the final sprint to the energy stream, the story went from reality, to the elaborate indoctrination attempt of the Reapers in Shepard's mind. This implies that the Reapers are still attacking on Earth and that the Reapers are only trying to transform Shepard, (humanity's most powerful asset) into something they themselves could manipulate to aid in the orchestraded downfall of the galaxy. So the story is unfinished.
Please give us the ending we all saw coming where Shepard finishes the fight, saves humanity, and everyone survives. As it stands now, this ending has killed the replay value of all of the games. I don't see a point in going through all the games again when I know that no matter what I do, it wont really end well. I've been walking around for the past few days feeling like something is wrong with me and I can't really isolate it. Turns out, its the Mass Effect 3 ending that is giving me a somber mood these days.
I never thought that a game could have so much power over me. A tribue to you guys for such an excellent series. I adore all the games. Just please grant your loyal fans at least one option to be rewarded for all the hard work they put forth in the games. Its ok if the majority of the endings are fatalistic. I recognize that the chances of defeating the Reapers are slim. But by making all the efforts to prepare for the Reapers in all the various ways a player can, I think it is only fair that we be rewarded for our efforts. Our efforts and war assets and galactic readiness proves our desire to have Shepard and his team live.
I implore you guys to grant us at least the possiblitiy of the "perfect ending" where Shepard and his team lives, and humanity and the other races of the galaxy are saved. Please guys. Please at least give us the option, even if you don't consider it canon.
As it stands, I am too devastated by the outcome. Thanks for listening. You guys worked hard on these games and I really appreciate it. Good luck guys. I hope we can all get this resolved.
Please break up your post as I did above. It's hard to read the way it is. Which is a shame seeing as it's so spot on.
I agree fully with everything you're saying~
g_bassi13 wrote...
SkaldFish wrote...
OMG - That's it!!!g_bassi13 wrote...
Kazaru wrote...
1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.
Don't try making a negative analogy with bacon. It can't be done. Bacon makes everything better.
StarChild: [...explains 3 options...]
Shepard: ...or, you little s**t, I could just eat this slice of hot, crisp bacon!
Because bacon makes everything better - even a crappy ending.
The crucible launches an explosion, which showers the galaxy in bacon... That is an ending I could've lived with.
g_bassi13 wrote...
Major Swift wrote...
i actually can't really pick between the two which is why i asked lol, on one hand they'd be pretty much calling us all stupid for not understanding how great what we got is, and on the other hand MP DLC only announcement would mean they are absolutely not the Bioware we all know anymore, i guess i'd have to go with MP DLC being the worst of the twoPhoenix NL wrote...
It had better not be just about mp dlc.....Major Swift wrote...
quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?
If it was about a MP DLC, does that mean they hypothetically ignored the endings issue altogether?
What and then starchild turns into Homer Simpson, "Oooh bacon" *drools*SkaldFish wrote...
OMG - That's it!!!g_bassi13 wrote...
Kazaru wrote...
1. BW really think the ending is thier "Master Piece" and ME3 must end this way.
Which mean they can advertise anything as long as there is an DLC which "fix" the problem. For example. Believe somebody advertise a hamburger with two slices of meat. Now you buy the hamburger, but there is only one slice not two. You start to complain about it and the Owner said: "Ok Ok, you can have the second slice but only when you buy bacon with it". Thats not a win/win situation even there is bacon involved.
Don't try making a negative analogy with bacon. It can't be done. Bacon makes everything better.
StarChild: [...explains 3 options...]
Shepard: ...or, you little s**t, I could just eat this slice of hot, crisp bacon!
Because bacon makes everything better - even a crappy ending.
I agree, I have not read the novel, but I did realise he came from that side-story. As it is, yes he felt like he belonged in Metal Gear Solid, rather than the Mass Effect Universe. Did he carry a katana and handgun in the novel as well? That reminds me, if only Mass Effect 3 ended like Metal Gear Solid 4...Kyria Nyriese wrote...
Playing catch up after sleeping. I agree, I read Retribution as well, and I thought Leng was a very strong character in the book, but I don't believe he should have been in the game, because without him being in all the games, to establish who he is, it come across as who the heck is that? I don't think adding a character to the game that you really needed to read the book to understand was a good idea.DJBare wrote...
The only problem I had with Leng is he was not fleshed out properly, I got to know his character in Retribution, he is quite a complex character, but in game he is 2 dimensional.firstarioch wrote...
Lets not even talk about Kyle Lang.
I just pretend he is not there and doesn't exist.
Its like Raiden in Mass Effect ....ridiculous.
Cybermortis wrote...
'Address' is the sort of language I'd expect them to use. 'Change' implies that they made a serious mistake with the ending, if not released a 'broken' or imcompleate product. It would also indicate that the existing ending is no longer canon - which it should be remembered would annoy some people who like the existing endings.
All we can take away from the two tweets in question, plus other hints from other sources is;
They are working on a 'ending' DLC of some sort, and probably have been for a week or two.
They will be announcing the existance of the DLC at PAX.
It is important to note that the DLC may NOT be released next week. The wording used would seem to imply that it will be released later in the month. It is important to note this for two reasons;
First so no one gets their hopes up of the DLC being ready next week.
Second because the longer it takes them to produce the more content the DLC is likely to contain - and therefore the greater the number of alterations planned for the ending. This might also tally with the general impression that they have dragged in everyone not already employed on other projects. Basically the longer we have to wait the more likely it is that we will get something closer to what was asked for.
That they are even willing to admit to the existance of an 'ending' DLC means that they have taken this VERY seriously. If they are taking it seriously then they will be well aware of what is and isn't going to be well received - and an epilog/clarrification is NOT on the list of 'will make people happy'.
That they have taken it seriously also means that they must be under a considerable amount of pressure to address the problem. This pressure is unlikely to come purely from the media, but is probably a result of the BW/EA boards looking at sales figures and calculating that making the DLC would cost less than the continued drop of sales - and potential losses in the long term as people turn away from Bioware. BW has already become a literal joke because of the ending issue, and even the 'suits' would blanch at the idea of putting out a poor quality ending DLC or one that isn't really what was asked for - it would make the situation even worse...and potentially ruin Biowares reputation to a point it can never recover from. My feeling is that it would be in everyone's best interests for them to produce the sort of DLC we were asking for.
FreedMason wrote...
I agree, I have not read the novel, but I did realise he came from that side-story. As it is, yes he felt like he belonged in Metal Gear Solid, rather than the Mass Effect Universe. Did he carry a katana and handgun in the novel as well? That reminds me, if only Mass Effect 3 ended like Metal Gear Solid 4...Kyria Nyriese wrote...
Playing catch up after sleeping. I agree, I read Retribution as well, and I thought Leng was a very strong character in the book, but I don't believe he should have been in the game, because without him being in all the games, to establish who he is, it come across as who the heck is that? I don't think adding a character to the game that you really needed to read the book to understand was a good idea.DJBare wrote...
The only problem I had with Leng is he was not fleshed out properly, I got to know his character in Retribution, he is quite a complex character, but in game he is 2 dimensional.firstarioch wrote...
Lets not even talk about Kyle Lang.
I just pretend he is not there and doesn't exist.
Its like Raiden in Mass Effect ....ridiculous.
chmarr wrote...
i WANT THIS GAME
milkymcmilkerson wrote...
g_bassi13 wrote...
Major Swift wrote...
i actually can't really pick between the two which is why i asked lol, on one hand they'd be pretty much calling us all stupid for not understanding how great what we got is, and on the other hand MP DLC only announcement would mean they are absolutely not the Bioware we all know anymore, i guess i'd have to go with MP DLC being the worst of the twoPhoenix NL wrote...
It had better not be just about mp dlc.....Major Swift wrote...
quick question i think i already know the answer to but ive got to ask anyway lol, what would anger/disappoint all of you more, an announcement of "clarification" DLC on the way or MP DLC announcement at PAX?
If it was about a MP DLC, does that mean they hypothetically ignored the endings issue altogether?
Probably not, seeing how the MP DLC was likely in the works before they decided to address the ending.
Death of Seph wrote...
Just had a disturbing thought, what if BW go to PAX and use the Chewbacca defense!?!
DarthShadow13 wrote...
Death of Seph wrote...
Just had a disturbing thought, what if BW go to PAX and use the Chewbacca defense!?!
Whats the Chewbacca defense?
lol someone mentioned that like hundreds of pages ago, but yea that would be terribleDeath of Seph wrote...
Just had a disturbing thought, what if BW go to PAX and use the Chewbacca defense!?!
Major Swift wrote...
everytime i think of how this whole thing with the endings went down i think of this scene right here from star wars
EA=Palpatine
Bioware=Anakin
Better endings=Mace Windu
*is totally geeking out now*
DarthShadow13 wrote...
Death of Seph wrote...
Just had a disturbing thought, what if BW go to PAX and use the Chewbacca defense!?!
Whats the Chewbacca defense?
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