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#69201
Bionic Weapon

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TamiBx wrote...

Omg, this. This this this.
This was my first thought.

http://img840.images...motivator75.jpg



You know while I would love additional endings, I really really really want to see them try and explain this I just do, it is something that I want to hear. Explain how your own fans know your own lore better than you do, explain the whole synthetics killing organics issue, explain characters doing out of character things, explain why StarChild was even needed, heck explain it all!!!

I personally don't think they can but it'll be good to see them try.

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 03 avril 2012 - 10:20 .


#69202
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Bionic Weapon wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Omg, this. This this this.
This was my first thought.

http://img840.images...motivator75.jpg



You know while I would love additional endings, I really really really want to see them try and explain this I just do, it is something that I want to hear. Explain how your own fans know your own lore better than you do, explain the whole synthetics killing organics issue, heck explain it all!!!

I personally don't think they can but it'll be good to see them try


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DJBare wrote...

TamiBx wrote...
Omg, this. This this this.
This was my first thought.
http://img840.images...motivator75.jpg

Or we were too stupid to "get it"; either possibility does not bring a smile to my face.


Indeed Mr. Connery, indeed.

The part that actually is making me angry is the thought that we are the ones who spent 300 hours on multiple playthroughs, only to be told by some smug critic or player with no investment in the series that we "don't get it."

Or as renegade shep would say: "I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!"

#69204
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christrek1982 wrote...

people are talking as tho it has been confirmed that Bioware is not doing anything about the ending at all. is this true? are they really going to let themselves loose a Fuc* tun of fans and allow what should be the gratest gaming achevment in the las 10 years become know as that game with the sh**y ending that drove away it's own fanbase?


that is the way it is heading...

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when is that PAX and what will we get reactions on our kind of protest or answers or new announcements

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Fox544 wrote...

1) They were scheduled for paying DLC. Not free.

2) Yes BW staff get paid but the company makes no profit, the company makes no profit the employees don't get paid. BW can very easier shut down ME3 and just move everyone to TOR or DA3.

3) Only people looking at the utter negative would see if an reinforcing of corporate greed. I however would see it as BW being the same as Bethesda when they change FO3 with at cost DLC.

P.S. Yeah the day 1 DLC was crap but you gotta pick and choose your battles. I have the N7 Edition so the Day 1 didn't phase me but the ending phased EVERYONE.


1; They get paid for recording diolog regardless of what it is used for or if it is used in free or paid DLC.

2; BW staff are on fixed salaries, and therefore will get the same pay regardless of what they happen to be working on or if products are selling.

2a; There is a Mass Effect film in pre-production, with another 'prequel' low budget film around staring Mark Meer (Commander Shepard himself...although thats not the character he's playing). Potentially a big budget film could net more money for EA/BW than the entire ME franchise has to date...and if they are really lucky it could very easily be a triolgy of films that would make the profits from all three games look like small change.
However films based on video games are considered high risk, as they very rarely do well. ME3 is currently being seen as a joke, and the ending is putting people off the entire ME universe. There is a good chance that the film studio will place the ME film on hold if they feel that negative reaction to ME3 is likely to damage interest in the project - no casting for the film has been done, so it would cost them nothing to put the film on hold for a few years while they see if interest can be renewed.

3; FO3's ending isn't quite the right example to use, and the reasons for the changes were not purely down to player disatifaction at the ending. Rather the complaints were about not being able to continue exploring in what was an open world. Bethesda would, in hindsite, have realised that forcing the game to end in the way that it did meant that players could not play DLC with characters they'd already finished the game with. Since several of the DLC's were intended for higher level characters, players no doubt ran into problems having to start new characters and then attempting some of the DLC when they were simply too low a level.
The situation with ME3 is slightly different, in that the ending is clearly putting people off getting the game and also eliminating any desire to replay it - let alone play DLC. 

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bluewolv1970 wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

people are talking as tho it has been confirmed that Bioware is not doing anything about the ending at all. is this true? are they really going to let themselves loose a Fuc* tun of fans and allow what should be the gratest gaming achevment in the las 10 years become know as that game with the sh**y ending that drove away it's own fanbase?


that is the way it is heading...


realy wow talk about self distructive oh well it soon may be time to find a new dev company CD project red is looking good lets hope they can avoid the yok of EA or some other one like ubi untill witcher 3.

but I will hold the line till we know for sure.:crying:

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*salutes*. Back on the line, anyone got a sitrep?

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Bionic Weapon wrote...

I

TamiBx wrote...

Omg, this. This this this.
This was my first thought.

http://img840.images...motivator75.jpg



You know while I would love additional endings, I really really really want to see them try and explain this I just do, it is something that I want to hear. Explain how your own fans know your own lore better than you do, explain the whole synthetics killing organics issue, explain characters doing out of character things, explain why StarChild was even needed, heck explain it all!!!

I personally don't think they can but it'll be good to see them try.


The art of Bull**** my friend. The art of Bull****. Bioware apparently has  a legendary master of Bull**** kung fu at their disposal.:ph34r:

We must be on our guard

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What is everyone doing in this thread? Trying to get the page count to 3k?
What more is there to talk about until BW announces "nothing of note to announce, go buy DLC and maybe we will make an ending for you"

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Computim wrote...

*salutes*. Back on the line, anyone got a sitrep?


Concerns that the 'ending' DLC will not change the endings at all but 'Clarrify them' (Ie, ****** off everyone and kill what's left of Biowares crippled reputation).

Concerns/debate as to if the DLC will be free or paid for.

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Feraiin wrote...

Indeed Mr. Connery, indeed.

The part that actually is making me angry is the thought that we are the ones who spent 300 hours on multiple playthroughs, only to be told by some smug critic or player with no investment in the series that we "don't get it."

Or as renegade shep would say: "I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!"

You know, that's probably what gets me the most, the thought that they could be looking out more for those that don't have the same investment in the series as we who have put hundreds of hours in to it and just want a few more better options, ill reserve judgement until PAX though

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silencemayday wrote...

i'm so easy to amuse..
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Hahaha, this had me laughing so hard!

I think PAX will bring good news, if not, I don't think it'll end nicely... Did someone mention fire proof suits?? ;)

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Here's hoping that the ENTIRE writing staff will be on focus to fix the ending... I think we might just get something amazing in this after all. I can't imagine that they haven't had an emergency meeting with everyone involved now that this can be the primary focus of development with the rest of the game done and over with.

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Fox544 wrote...

True but we've already pressured them for money but cutting their entire first month sales. Also keep in mind we are continually fighting the "entitled" stereotype. Demanding everything be free says entitlement to me but saying you're willing to hand over an extra $5 for an alternative seems reasonable.

To be fair, many people feel that they paid for what they were promised and have still yet to receive it. Asking those customers to pay extra to get what they thought they were buying in the first place is a bad practice. Broken Steel wasn't a case of broken promises. In this case, Bioware was documented in making many lofty claims about how the ending would play out which turned out to be far from the truth... and pretty much the exact opposite of the truth in a few cases.

When you make a mistake like that, you sometimes have to bite the bullet and spend money to fix it in order to regain the customer's trust, future business and brand loyalty. It will cost you in the short-term, but you shouldn't be short-sighted about it because if your brand is tarnished it's going to cost you even more in the long run. Microsoft ended up eating over a billion dollars in repair/replacement costs to deal with the red ring of death issue, but the result is that the Xbox came out relatively unscathed (saving the years of work it took them to build the brand).

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TamiBx wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Omg, this. This this this.
This was my first thought.

http://img840.images...motivator75.jpg



You know while I would love additional endings, I really really really want to see them try and explain this I just do, it is something that I want to hear. Explain how your own fans know your own lore better than you do, explain the whole synthetics killing organics issue, heck explain it all!!!

I personally don't think they can but it'll be good to see them try


http://img560.images...8/motiv2369.jpg

;)


*takes the shot and burns the evidence*

Ok so that never happened then.

Jokes aside there's really nothing they could say imo that would satisfy me. I wish they would replay their entire trilogy read very codex, pay attention to every decision their Sheaprds made, play the DLC where mass realys react badly to having their energy released (violently or not) then come to the finale of the 3rd game and see what we are taking about. 

I support companies when they realize their mistakes and try and fix them in order not to abandon their consumers. Saying they messed up isn't a sign of weakness, should not make them feel embarrassed ( eh maybe a tiny bit) nor does it make me lose respect for them, rather it makes me say " good now what are you going to to about it"?

They know they can do better, we know they can do better. So with that in mind nothing is stopping them from doing better. Clarification isn't doing better, sticking to non-lore material is not doing better, releasing DLC then nobody wants is not doing better. They know what it means to do better, so now all they have to do Is do it.

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 03 avril 2012 - 10:41 .


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Cybermortis wrote...

Computim wrote...

*salutes*. Back on the line, anyone got a sitrep?


Concerns that the 'ending' DLC will not change the endings at all but 'Clarrify them' (Ie, ****** off everyone and kill what's left of Biowares crippled reputation).

Concerns/debate as to if the DLC will be free or paid for.


Ahh, well not concerned.. if they were clarifying it'd be a lot less work than they've put in.. 200 staff working crazy hard for 3 weeks (as evidenced by Mike Gamble's tweet).  They're not 'clarifying' .  They're giving us an awesome ending, that much is obvious.  Not all of them are happy about it either as evidenced by the fact they didn't get to do an April Fools joke and some of the comments around..

I'm not concerned.. if they prove me wrong that's their loss, no point worrying about something getting less and less likely.

Thanks for the update Image IPB

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Njald wrote...

What is everyone doing in this thread? Trying to get the page count to 3k?
What more is there to talk about until BW announces "nothing of note to announce, go buy DLC and maybe we will make an ending for you"


well there is no DLC to buy and two if I can't bring myself to play the core game why on earth do I want to buy DLC?

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Computim wrote...

200 staff working crazy hard for 3 weeks (as evidenced by Mike Gamble's tweet).


Where's exactly that statement of Gamble? Prooflink?

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#69221
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Dan Rosse wrote...

Computim wrote...

200 staff working crazy hard for 3 weeks (as evidenced by Mike Gamble's tweet).


Where's exactly that statement of Gamble? Prooflink?


The mass effect floor of Bioware has 200 staff on it (somewhere on this site and a few other media outlets, forget where I saw it but I'm sure of the number.

https://twitter.com/#!/gamblemike - bout halfway down that page "We *really* wanted to make an amazing April Fool's joke, but we ran out of time because we're making a bunch actual real stuff."

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Whatever happens, despite all doom and gloom, the whole endings debacle has thrown up some gems - pictures and videos that have given me a good laugh, bringing Marauder Shields up from obscurity, and a bit of a feeling of being in a crowd that a loner like myself doesn't get very often (usually only at football matches and I'm usually hung over during those).

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Dan Rosse wrote...

Computim wrote...

200 staff working crazy hard for 3 weeks (as evidenced by Mike Gamble's tweet).


Where's exactly that statement of Gamble? Prooflink?


He just said something along the lines that 'Everyone was hard at work', this was in relation to a question about April fools.

His other comment was to someone who said he should offer a 'purple ending' as an April fools. His words were 'I like my life thank you very much'.

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Hola amigos! Trying to do everything I can to keep my mind off stuff until PAX. Yeah...it's not working.

I really don't like the word clarification anymore. Attempting to clarify the ending would be worse than if they had planned this all along. It doesn't need clarifying, it needs fixing. It's broken. You cannot introduce a new character, dramatic goal AND central conflict within the last ten minutes of a (roughly) 100 hour story and expect anything other than the complete and utter breakdown of the narrative.

It's like meeting someone who speaks a different language from you, and repeating what you just said but louder and slower. The problem isn't that the person can't understand you because you're speaking too quietly and quickly, it's because you're speaking a different lanugage.

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going into reserve, catch you all later

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