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[TamiBx]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

And I'm back~! Anyone miss me? Knowing you sorry lot, probably not, but oh well, what more could I ask from this super dysfunctional family of ours~!?

Hey hey I noticed u were gone  and I am sure TamiBx missed u as well

Oh, thanks for responding before I could 

And don't worry, you missed nothing. I just want it to be Friday afternoon...

[CuseGirl]

Hoverboy911 wrote...

I think that IT is correct, and I hope that they deliver DLC that lets us see what happens with our mental struggle that was the end of ME3.

Having said that, they *still* totally, 100% dropped the ball as far as “the reveal” goes. If you are being indoctrinated then the reveal should have happened right before you were to make the Control/Synthesize/Destroy choice. Right there, standing in the middle of the platform you should have thought, “Wait a minute, am I being lied to? Is this a trick?” But we didn’t think that. No one did. And that is where they dropped the ball. A massive seed of doubt should have been placed right then and there. Every single player should have stood there *at that point* thinking, “Am I indoctrinated?”

Instead we got what we got, an “ending” that kicks the other 99% of the entire Mass Effect series right in the daddy bags if taken literally.

Oh you mean this

the ultimate reveal of reveals...after this point in the movie, there was absolutely no question, the main character was delusional. Bioware missed that part if the Indoctrination Theory is supposed to hold water.

Modifié par CuseGirl, 04 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Missy_MI]

Darth Suetam wrote...
What I mean is: Forbes is just trying to show that a gazzillionaire industry like movie-making takes public reaction very seriously. The movie, in my opinion, is just an excuse for that example.

And what they mean is that BW... cannot, I repeat, absolutely not, choose when they say fan feedback is the most important thing, and when they say "our artistic integrity based on our artsy games is on the line if we do what they want".

It's ridiculous. What the article means is something that should be obvious for BW (for BW!). That they dropped the ball with it, and shouldn't pass the opportunity to jump back on the train of great pas de deux with the fans!

Sorry for the late response, I think slowly.

I understand your points as well, but I just don't think that this level of interactivity has really been explored to the extent of Mass Effect before.  Or possibly I live a very sheltered life.  I guess I can understand why BioWare hasn't been the poster child of PR to a business publication.  It's kind of a unique situation.  Let 50,000 people demand a new Prometheus ending and see how much they cater to them then.

It's funny.  The whole 'demand a better ending to Mass Effect' line has never sat quite right with me.  I think because somehow I thought we wouldn't need to demand one.  They would just realize why it felt so broken and want to change it themselves.  Not to an ending the fans have collectively dictated while storming the castle gates with torches and pitchforks, but one they wanted to tell to complete the story for us.

I guess I'm just being a little naive.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

And I'm back~! Anyone miss me? Knowing you sorry lot, probably not, but oh well, what more could I ask from this super dysfunctional family of ours~!?

I missed you!

Pssst (I was gone for a whole day and nobody even noticed teehee)

I did! I was like, were the hell is xHezz.

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

And I'm back~! Anyone miss me? Knowing you sorry lot, probably not, but oh well, what more could I ask from this super dysfunctional family of ours~!?

Hey hey I noticed u were gone  and I am sure TamiBx missed u as well

Oh, thanks for responding before I could 

And don't worry, you missed nothing. I just want it to be Friday afternoon...

Agreed~! >.< Now I'm probably going to pass out soon, and wake up at some ungodly hour of the morning... oh well, that's what I get for being a complete night owl, then having to wake up early for school... >,< Ugh I just wish it was Friday already! Speaking of Friday, any word on a Liver Stream?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

onyx0218 wrote...

just two words as to why it got shut down. Stanley Woo.... also, some idiots started posting pictures that violated the rules of the forum.

I just want to see how they have to say to all those angry fans in that room. It's going to be one scary pax announcment.

and honestly i've given up on dragon age after dragon age 2. they cut soooo much out. 

Ahh I see, the annoying picture posting. Why not use links like the rest of us? lol.

Yeah I do too, if they don't announce what the fans/customers are wanting I hope they don't cause some sort of riot...that would not be helpful at all.

I actually liked Dragon Age 2, it was no where near as good as Origins but I still really enjoyed it.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

I did! I was like, were the hell is xHezz.

Haha cool, I needed a break from here...also it was my dad's birthday 

[CuseGirl]

Missy_MI wrote...
Sorry for the late response, I think slowly.

I understand your points as well, but I just don't think that this level of interactivity has really been explored to the extent of Mass Effect before.  Or possibly I live a very sheltered life.  I guess I can understand why BioWare hasn't been the poster child of PR to a business publication.  It's kind of a unique situation.  Let 50,000 people demand a new Prometheus ending and see how much they cater to them then.

It's funny.  The whole 'demand a better ending to Mass Effect' line has never sat quite right with me.  I think because somehow I thought we wouldn't need to demand one.  They would just realize why it felt so broken and want to change it themselves.  Not to an ending the fans have collectively dictated while storming the castle gates with torches and pitchforks, but one they wanted to tell to complete the story for us.

I guess I'm just being a little naive.

The problem is, the first reaction is always the loudest and least elegant. As time has passed, we've gotten more detailed explanations as to why the ending is truly broken and wrong. Not just from a "we didn't get enuff endings" standpoint, but from a pure narrative standpoint, the ending is flat out WRONG, especially when you consider how good in the writing is WITHIN the game itself. At some level, we're not only upset with the ending itself, but upset that anyone working at Bioware could have accepted those endings going to print.

And then for Bioware to come out and act like "we're surprised you think these endings are not up to your expectations", it's like "what? we have articles where your executives and lead writers' statements are directly contradicted by the game itself. did you remember anything you said". Forbes is simply saying out loud "Bioware went hardcore with a particular system and when they tried to abandon that system, it backfired and now they're response is wrong".

[onyx0218]

xHezz90 wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

just two words as to why it got shut down. Stanley Woo.... also, some idiots started posting pictures that violated the rules of the forum.

I just want to see how they have to say to all those angry fans in that room. It's going to be one scary pax announcment.

and honestly i've given up on dragon age after dragon age 2. they cut soooo much out. 

Ahh I see, the annoying picture posting. Why not use links like the rest of us? lol.

Yeah I do too, if they don't announce what the fans/customers are wanting I hope they don't cause some sort of riot...that would not be helpful at all.

I actually liked Dragon Age 2, it was no where near as good as Origins but I still really enjoyed it.

Meh, i don't know why they didn't. Were not the smartest people when i came to rules. some of the pictures were absolutely perfect though. There was one that represented the ending choices with "Ctrl, Alt, Del". Then they opened task manager and ended "TheReapers" task. was hilarious. also, still a better ending.

I doubt a riot, but deffinantly angry consumers.

And the thing that caused me not to like it is how repeditive the enviroments got... also, the story just didnt feel as strong as the Origins story. I finished the Origins with like 100+ hours logged. I couldn't get through the first 1/3 of DA2.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I did! I was like, were the hell is xHezz.

Haha cool, I needed a break from here...also it was my dad's birthday 

Yeah I should probably do the same, but I can't pull myself away... anyways, I'm passing out, so I'll talk to you all later, as in early tomorrow morning for me~!

[onyx0218]

Also, just in case you guys havent liked it yet, give it a click. its very close to 60K people.

http://www.facebook....ngToMassEffect3

[TamiBx]

Nharia1 wrote...

Yeah I should probably do the same, but I can't pull myself away... anyways, I'm passing out, so I'll talk to you all later, as in early tomorrow morning for me~!

I say we are addicted. I wonder what I'm gonna do when this is over...

[Laterali]

Has anyone seen this?

Toonami 2012: Mass Effect 3 Review
Cartoon Network brought back toonami on April 1st, and they did a short review of ME3. They gave it a good score, also hit on some of the bad things, like the ending. I think they were far more realistic with their score than most of the review websites.

Had to be awkward for Steve Blum, he's done so many voices for the Mass Effect games, not to mention other Bioware games.

[naes1984]

Let's guess the likely "big announcements" that Bioware will give us at PAX:
1 Multiplayer maps/weapons packs/species (because we demanded it!)
2 A Facebook Game (cheap to make and Bioware can throw the word "community" around a lot. Plus it can factor into your Galactic Readiness score)
3 Appearance/Armor Packs (Tali will be soooo cute in her new outfit!)
4 Retake Omega with Aria (by the way who really cares if Aria [Mass Effect's Jabba the Hutt] gets her slum back anyway?)
5 Javik 50,000 BC (fight Collectors and Reapers before he's frozen)

Am I missing any other likely announcements? I doubt they're going to fall on their sword and admit they screwed up.

[onyx0218]

Laterali wrote...

Has anyone seen this?

Toonami 2012: Mass Effect 3 Review
Cartoon Network brought back toonami on April 1st, and they did a short review of ME3. They gave it a good score, also hit on some of the bad things, like the ending. I think they were far more realistic with their score than most of the review websites.

Had to be awkward for Steve Blum, he's done so many voices for the Mass Effect games, not to mention other Bioware games.

Oh god, toonami.... i remember that.... i want it back, lol. Watching that would give me something to bring back my childhood. yes, i watched it as a child.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

onyx0218 wrote...
Meh, i don't know why they didn't. Were not the smartest people when i came to rules. some of the pictures were absolutely perfect though. There was one that represented the ending choices with "Ctrl, Alt, Del". Then they opened task manager and ended "TheReapers" task. was hilarious. also, still a better ending.

I doubt a riot, but deffinantly angry consumers.

And the thing that caused me not to like it is how repeditive the enviroments got... also, the story just didnt feel as strong as the Origins story. I finished the Origins with like 100+ hours logged. I couldn't get through the first 1/3 of DA2.

Haha that picture sounds funny 

Yeah I'm not so sure about the non-riot, a lot of people are on this very rickety fence between rage and giving in.
I am on a different fence of hope and quietely falling in to a deep depression lol.

[onyx0218]

xHezz90 wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...
Meh, i don't know why they didn't. Were not the smartest people when i came to rules. some of the pictures were absolutely perfect though. There was one that represented the ending choices with "Ctrl, Alt, Del". Then they opened task manager and ended "TheReapers" task. was hilarious. also, still a better ending.

I doubt a riot, but deffinantly angry consumers.

And the thing that caused me not to like it is how repeditive the enviroments got... also, the story just didnt feel as strong as the Origins story. I finished the Origins with like 100+ hours logged. I couldn't get through the first 1/3 of DA2.

Haha that picture sounds funny 

Yeah I'm not so sure about the non-riot, a lot of people are on this very rickety fence between rage and giving in.
I am on a different fence of hope and quietely falling in to a deep depression lol.

Stay strong man! they want us to wittle down so they can tune us out. we have to keep the volume up!

[Darth Garrus]

Missy_MI wrote...

Sorry for the late response, I think slowly.

I understand your points as well, but I just don't think that this level of interactivity has really been explored to the extent of Mass Effect before.  Or possibly I live a very sheltered life.  I guess I can understand why BioWare hasn't been the poster child of PR to a business publication.  It's kind of a unique situation.  Let 50,000 people demand a new Prometheus ending and see how much they cater to them then.

It's funny.  The whole 'demand a better ending to Mass Effect' line has never sat quite right with me.  I think because somehow I thought we wouldn't need to demand one.  They would just realize why it felt so broken and want to change it themselves.  Not to an ending the fans have collectively dictated while storming the castle gates with torches and pitchforks, but one they wanted to tell to complete the story for us.

I guess I'm just being a little naive.

You are right about movies not changing in theaters. But they do change for DVDs etc. And "change" is the point. Movies can only change before they are released, or after their life in the theaters (on DVDs etc). But games are much more dynamic exactly where movies are not. You can change anything with an update. And that's usually when things are changed.

And in between sequels. But our arc of the story is over. No matter what BW wants to sell later, even if they want to milk the cow further, we bought ME3 "knowing" that it's Shepard's goodbye. Or this story arc's goodbye. So we can't get "well, we promise more endings for our brand new trilogy for ME". No. We need them now.

And exactly because games can be changed in that way is that people are realizing that BW is dropping the ball. They can do something about it. And they should. So, I think the comparison is a good one. It highlights what the game industry should take advantage of. If they are proud of their "fan feedback", they can do what no other industry can do, and make it better now!

[TamiBx]

naes1984 wrote...

Let's guess the likely "big announcements" that Bioware will give us at PAX:
1 Multiplayer maps/weapons packs/species (because we demanded it!)
2 A Facebook Game (cheap to make and Bioware can throw the word "community" around a lot. Plus it can factor into your Galactic Readiness score)
3 Appearance/Armor Packs (Tali will be soooo cute in her new outfit!)
4 Retake Omega with Aria (by the way who really cares if Aria [Mass Effect's Jabba the Hutt] gets her slum back anyway?)
5 Javik 50,000 BC (fight Collectors and Reapers before he's frozen)

Am I missing any other likely announcements? I doubt they're going to fall on their sword and admit they screwed up.

Omg! How did you know?! 


Don't forget "We will be making a Dragon Age 3" (which we all know that it will happen)

[VivaLaWhatsername]

onyx0218 wrote...

Stay strong man! they want us to wittle down so they can tune us out. we have to keep the volume up!

Yep I agree, can't let them stop us.

Garrus: "If you yell loud enough, someone will eventually come over to see what all the fuss is about."

[onyx0218]

xHezz90 wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Stay strong man! they want us to wittle down so they can tune us out. we have to keep the volume up!

Yep I agree, can't let them stop us.

Garrus: "If you yell loud enough, someone will eventually come over to see what all the fuss is about."

Exactly. The group's battle cry is hold the line, and my inspirtation is garrus's line. it would be hilarious if everyone coordinated at the pax conferance to shout the same thing to bioware "GIVE US THE REAL ENDING!:

It wont happen, but its still neat to imagine

[Darth Garrus]

TamiBx wrote...

Omg! How did you know?! 


Don't forget "We will be making a Dragon Age 3" (which we all know that it will happen)

I won't even bother with DA3. I think the whole thing should be dropped in favor of a better concept for a "medieval style RPG". I bought the first 2 out of desperation, hoping that BW would do some of the best of that kind again. But I didn't like either. From the "neutral character" thing, to the bad stories. And there were plenty of them.

[lunamoondragon]

onyx0218 wrote...

Laterali wrote...

Has anyone seen this?

Toonami 2012: Mass Effect 3 Review
Cartoon Network brought back toonami on April 1st, and they did a short review of ME3. They gave it a good score, also hit on some of the bad things, like the ending. I think they were far more realistic with their score than most of the review websites.

Had to be awkward for Steve Blum, he's done so many voices for the Mass Effect games, not to mention other Bioware games.

Oh god, toonami.... i remember that.... i want it back, lol. Watching that would give me something to bring back my childhood. yes, i watched it as a child.

Oh my gosh, all of the nostalgia. Seeing Toonami talk about Mass Effect is like... the best combination of things I could've ever imagined. And hearing them say "I hear there's a new ending coming out," made me giggle like a schoolgirl.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

onyx0218 wrote...

Exactly. The group's battle cry is hold the line, and my inspirtation is garrus's line. it would be hilarious if everyone coordinated at the pax conferance to shout the same thing to bioware "GIVE US THE REAL ENDING!:

It wont happen, but its still neat to imagine

Haha that would be really cool. I reckon RetakeME3 are planning something for PAX though, our leaders are quite creative after all 

[naes1984]

Darth Suetam wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Omg! How did you know?! 


Don't forget "We will be making a Dragon Age 3" (which we all know that it will happen)

I won't even bother with DA3. I think the whole thing should be dropped in favor of a better concept for a "medieval style RPG". I bought the first 2 out of desperation, hoping that BW would do some of the best of that kind again. But I didn't like either. From the "neutral character" thing, to the bad stories. And there were plenty of them.

DA and DA :Awakenings were pretty good but DA2 is what I have begun affectionately calling strike 1.