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#69851
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pikey1969 wrote...

Dunno how I feel about this.

I see what the article says, trying to not demean those who voted for the result of their poll, or the validity of the manner in which they chose to run it (open online polls), but really...

BOA has DESTROYEED lives. EA may go as far as to destroy the little part of lives that we do look forward to and enjoy, but BOA's responsibility and importance to its customers is FAR greater than that of EA.

This makes me sad.


EA has destroyed lives too. No, I don't mean that as an exaggeration for fans being distraught, EA has pulled entire game studios under. Studios usually employ hundreds of people, most of which are laid off after the studio split up.
Studios are also paid next to nothing per sale and by commission. That $60 game you bought? $7 of it goes to the studio who made the game, the rest goes to expenses and the publisher (EA is a publisher BTW). As a result it is common for studio employees to be paid by a salary and most AAA games have a "crunch time" (time where the employees work overtime, usually every day and Saturday) in their dev cycle. This means that an employee is working 80+ hours a week, but stopped getting paid around Tuesday - also bear in mind that working 80+ hours a week is rough on you mentally and socially. Alternatively, the employees get paid for every hour they work, but this means that more money is being spent to make the game if you count employee pay in the expenses (and I think the investor would). A way the industry works to minimalize those losses for the publisher (they're the investors) is to fire most of the staff before their payday. Less people to pay means that those $7 per game pays off the studio faster and then it's all profit. Fortunately, this doesn't happen to all studios. Self-publishers like Valve don't do this and if a game studio becomes really successful, like BioWare, then it would be a waste to lose that talent. And if a studio releases a game to a poor financial reception, chances are good that the publisher won't pick them up again and that game's earnings will be a black mark against the studio for other publishers as well. So in the end, it's like this: If you're already successful and you do well, we'll pay you a bit. If your not that well-known we'll get rid of most of you and pay the rest a bit. Do bad and we'll pay you but don't expect a second chance.

And in the very end we have an industry where a bunch of talented people are having to jump from studio to studio, job to job to get teh $.

Addendum: I am not a business or industry analyst. Some of this info may be flat out wrong or I got a twisted version of said info. However, I got this from multiple sources saying the same things, so I believe it is accurate.

tl;dr: BoA destroys lives one at a time. EA does it in bulk orders of hundreds.

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DLC will NOT CHANGE THE ENDING!! NOOOO!!:(

Don't know if this has been posted already but here is a link to an artcile by the International Buisness times saying that the DLC will NOT change the ending. Seriously Bioware WTF. Let the backlash begin. If they do this I will never give them another penny. 

www.ibtimes.com/articles/323947/20120404/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-dlc-review.htm

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 I'm assuming that this has been already linked to, or that the quotes have been already pasted in this thread, but here it is anyways:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10927975/1

Another set of developers promises

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests,”

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

It's from May last year, but it gives you an idea of how far they moved from this in the end.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 04 avril 2012 - 05:17 .


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Max Knight wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Looking back on Babylon 5 ...Both ME and Babylon 5 are great overreaching franchises...
Brilliant characters , great universe amazing concepts and great visualization...up until ME Babylon 5 for me was undisputed king .nothing could touch it...then came ME and you the player are basically Sheridan unifying races and saving the galaxy....
Its e perfect Space opera and unmatched gaming experience by any game on the market...
then came the ending which killed of everything player done in a game but also negated thr whole universe....Where is hope ? dont tell me its 500 years away when we all make new mass relays....****ing great...
where is harmony between the races ? or sorry when they meet they will fight all over again as expansion will put them again against each other ....

I always ,always thought that ending will be an epic proportions and will immortilise this game forever !!! never in million years I thought it will be remembered for this ....


Same experience for me.ME reminded me a lot of B5. Well, until ME3's ending. I love how the Shadow/Vorlon conflict was resolved. 


than you may like this

Very good...but now I have the urge to watch my DVDs again...

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Blue Liara wrote...

DLC will NOT CHANGE THE ENDING!! NOOOO!!:(

Don't know if this has been posted already but here is a link to an artcile by the International Buisness times saying that the DLC will NOT change the ending. Seriously Bioware WTF. Let the backlash begin. If they do this I will never give them another penny. 

www.ibtimes.com/articles/323947/20120404/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-dlc-review.htm


Dont trust the Mexican newspaper...EA and Bioware said there would be no news UNTIL PAX

#69856
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Lord Costantino wrote...

Blue Liara wrote...

DLC will NOT CHANGE THE ENDING!! NOOOO!!:(

Don't know if this has been posted already but here is a link to an artcile by the International Buisness times saying that the DLC will NOT change the ending. Seriously Bioware WTF. Let the backlash begin. If they do this I will never give them another penny. 

www.ibtimes.com/articles/323947/20120404/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-dlc-review.htm


Dont trust the Mexican newspaper...EA and Bioware said there would be no news UNTIL PAX


Thanks for the heads up. I pray its not true. 

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g_bassi13 wrote...

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests,”

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

It's from May last year, but it gives you an idea of how far they moved from this in the end.

well, i did a ton of fetch quests, found a reaper off button, and i didn't win :P
lol so yea it does show what you said

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Blue Liara wrote...

DLC will NOT CHANGE THE ENDING!! NOOOO!!:(

Don't know if this has been posted already but here is a link to an artcile by the International Buisness times saying that the DLC will NOT change the ending. Seriously Bioware WTF. Let the backlash begin. If they do this I will never give them another penny. 

www.ibtimes.com/articles/323947/20120404/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-dlc-review.htm


dont take it to heart its that mexican thing again, i do like the "Only 1.3 percent voted that they "Loved" it."(the ending)  bioware will have realized this.

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“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”


quote snipped.

To be fair, we had 3 reaper-off buttons.... :?

#69860
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Crazed Weevil wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Looking back on Babylon 5 ...Both ME and Babylon 5 are great overreaching franchises...
Brilliant characters , great universe amazing concepts and great visualization...up until ME Babylon 5 for me was undisputed king .nothing could touch it...then came ME and you the player are basically Sheridan unifying races and saving the galaxy....
Its e perfect Space opera and unmatched gaming experience by any game on the market...
then came the ending which killed of everything player done in a game but also negated thr whole universe....Where is hope ? dont tell me its 500 years away when we all make new mass relays....****ing great...
where is harmony between the races ? or sorry when they meet they will fight all over again as expansion will put them again against each other ....

I always ,always thought that ending will be an epic proportions and will immortilise this game forever !!! never in million years I thought it will be remembered for this ....


Same experience for me.ME reminded me a lot of B5. Well, until ME3's ending. I love how the Shadow/Vorlon conflict was resolved. 


than you may like this

Very good...but now I have the urge to watch my DVDs again...


Exactly my point guys ...Look I look forward to watching Babylon 5 ending as its the best ....
Can we say the same thing here ? ....I cringe going for a second playthrough .....let alone the ending... in fact up if ever end up doing second playthrough whihc I doubt as I m done withc Bioware if they dont fix this I would play only till just before the ending...depressing..

Modifié par firstarioch, 04 avril 2012 - 05:22 .


#69861
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Lord Costantino wrote...

Dont trust the Mexican newspaper...EA and Bioware said there would be no news UNTIL PAX


Same.  Bunkered down and simply waiting until Friday.  I personally would like to be there just to witness the event if this turns out to be the case; the table flipping it would cause would be a glorious site to behold.

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toffeetrooper wrote...

dont take it to heart its that mexican thing again, i do like the "Only 1.3 percent voted that they "Loved" it."(the ending)  bioware will have realized this.

well obviously they are going to heed the wishes of that 1.3% :P lol i jest, they have to get the picture by now

Modifié par Major Swift, 04 avril 2012 - 05:24 .


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Major Swift wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

dont take it to heart its that mexican thing again, i do like the "Only 1.3 percent voted that they "Loved" it."(the ending)  bioware will have realized this.

well obviously they are going to heed the wishes of that 1.3% :P lol i jest


dont say such things my mind is very tender at the momentImage IPB

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Max Knight wrote...

Mass Effect 3 - Alternate Fan Ending - Liara Version

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Stop it! I'm sad enough as it is....

#69865
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In light of the Consumerist results (And yes, BoA would deserve the title, but it is as it is now), Mass Effect and Crysis are the only EA franchises I will invest in further and only if there is a good change to the ending of ME.

After that...nope, no more EA titles.

I still support Bioware though. After all, the largest part of their work has been amazing!

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just Like Shepard said ...This end here ...now !!!
Bioware you also have 3 choices with us FANS which in fact is as you made it its One choice made look like 3.
Either you will change it to something which resembles a proper ending or We FANS of your Company since Baldurs Gate are out .Simple as that.

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Crazed Weevil wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

Looking back on Babylon 5 ...Both ME and Babylon 5 are great overreaching franchises...
Brilliant characters , great universe amazing concepts and great visualization...up until ME Babylon 5 for me was undisputed king .nothing could touch it...then came ME and you the player are basically Sheridan unifying races and saving the galaxy....
Its e perfect Space opera and unmatched gaming experience by any game on the market...
then came the ending which killed of everything player done in a game but also negated thr whole universe....Where is hope ? dont tell me its 500 years away when we all make new mass relays....****ing great...
where is harmony between the races ? or sorry when they meet they will fight all over again as expansion will put them again against each other ....

I always ,always thought that ending will be an epic proportions and will immortilise this game forever !!! never in million years I thought it will be remembered for this ....


Same experience for me.ME reminded me a lot of B5. Well, until ME3's ending. I love how the Shadow/Vorlon conflict was resolved. 


than you may like this

Very good...but now I have the urge to watch my DVDs again...


Same here. I can't count how many times I've watched the series now. 

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toffeetrooper wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

dont take it to heart its that mexican thing again, i do like the "Only 1.3 percent voted that they "Loved" it."(the ending)  bioware will have realized this.

well obviously they are going to heed the wishes of that 1.3% :P lol i jest


dont say such things my mind is very tender at the momentImage IPB

Good things will come! This is too off for Bioware not to have something wwaiting in the wings. Just under 2 days left......

#69869
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firstarioch wrote...

just Like Shepard said ...This end here ...now !!!
Bioware you also have 3 choices with us FANS which in fact is as you made it its One choice made look like 3.
Either you will change it to something which resembles a proper ending or We FANS of your Company since Baldurs Gate are out .Simple as that.

well if they dont i only have a few words for them, "I would have followed you to the end Bioware, into the very fires of EA" (stolen from Aragorn and modified of course lol)

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firstarioch wrote...

just Like Shepard said ...This end here ...now !!!
Bioware you also have 3 choices with us FANS which in fact is as you made it its One choice made look like 3.
Either you will change it to something which resembles a proper ending or We FANS of your Company since Baldurs Gate are out .Simple as that.



second that, as a player who finished bg2 approx 79 times in 1yr

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You know what I was going to do after the the end of Mass Effect 3. I was going to go back and make a totally new chacter and do it again and again (repeat until time stops) try and get every single ending possible. Now every time I look at Mass Effect I bow in memory of what could have been and what can still be

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I love this three option ultimatum thing we keep giving bioware. and you know what bioware will always do with it? Choose a fourth option. (unfortunately for shep that's a crucible destroyed scenario) but for BW...who knows.

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firstarioch wrote...

just Like Shepard said ...This end here ...now !!!
Bioware you also have 3 choices with us FANS which in fact is as you made it its One choice made look like 3.
Either you will change it to something which resembles a proper ending or We FANS of your Company since Baldurs Gate are out .Simple as that.


Yep. The line "We'll make mistakes, but they will be our mistakes, not yours!" Could be lifted completely. That is what I wanted Shepard to say to the starchild/AI/whatever thing. 


Edited, meant Shepard, not Sheridan. 

Modifié par VyseN1, 04 avril 2012 - 05:39 .


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Major Swift wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests,”

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

It's from May last year, but it gives you an idea of how far they moved from this in the end.

well, i did a ton of fetch quests, found a reaper off button, and i didn't win :P
lol so yea it does show what you said


The one that bothered me most was the last one. Seems a far cry from "Lots of speculation for everyone".

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Feraiin wrote...

In light of the Consumerist results (And yes, BoA would deserve the title, but it is as it is now), Mass Effect and Crysis are the only EA franchises I will invest in further and only if there is a good change to the ending of ME.

After that...nope, no more EA titles.

I still support Bioware though. After all, the largest part of their work has been amazing!


the crysis franchise is almost dead
the mass effect franchise is now tarnished by the BAD news coverage

every other franchise EA has is now worthless as they shove it down ppl's throats by releasing the same game every 10 months and in some cases 4 times in a year (need for speed had 4 games from december 2010 - october 2011)

so yeah EA totally ruin everything