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[Matt_gekko88]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

*snip*

Meh.

...Did you just spoil that for me?!

Soylent Green is people. Rosebud was his sled. Bruce Willis was a ghost. It was Earth all along. The dog gets rabies and they have to shoot it. Verbal is Keyser Söze. Vader is Luke's dad. Tyler Durden isn't real. Dom dies to save Marcus. The answer is 42. Neo is The One. Gatsby gets murdered. Trinity dies. Samus Aran is a woman. Atlas is Fontaine. Sephiroth kills Aeris. Snape kills Dumbledore. The pages are blank. The Titanic sinks. Also, there is no Santa.

Still better endings than Mass Effect 3 ending.

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

lunamoondragon wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

*snip*

And the end is a Star Child.

This spoiler is reusable: Sean Bean's character probably dies.

As well as Liam Neeson's character.

[lunamoondragon]

... Something keeps knocking at the back of my mind.
In all the hysteria in the weeks before ME3 was finally released, I was constantly on the lookout for new articles and interviews from Bioware. Every new article I read thoroughly, just in case in between all the repeated facts there was something new.

In so many, there was a statement saying Bioware thought one thing fans would be very upset about was the ending.
I can't shake the feeling that they've had a plan from the start.

[thebobafettest]

Atrocity wrote...

That's probably why after all these years, there are only two or three SW book by other authors I enjoy. I mean, Zahn has this wonderful pragmatic view about Force and doesn't focus on it.

Whenever authors decide to go Jedi the result is not imo good, maybe with the exeption of Hambly's Children of the Jedi, though I feel the book's so off-lore it hurts.
Then again, I don't see what other choice authors had, antagonist-wise, since post-Thrawn Empire is a joke. As Jedi Academy proved *cough* Admiral Daala *cough*

I agree, I think that all of Zahn's noves were and are excellent.  One of the only recent SW novels I've read was Choices of One, just because Zahn wrote it.  I definitely agree with you on the Force aspect as well, it seems that many of the recent storylines *cough*Fate of the Jedi*cough* have been too Force focused for my tastes.

Some of Stackpoles and Allston's stuff is good as well.

They all seem to lock down the confict part of the universe very well, and make it enjoyable to read.  Speaking of, new X-WIng book coming out soon!

[DJBare]

CDHarrisUSF wrote....
Also, there is no Santa.

My dear chap, I can forgive all other transgressions, but this is really going too far!

[Darth Garrus]

I still believe that those who liked the endings (IMHO those "posers") are the ones who will end up with a surprise. They will have to swallow that the bad endings were never intended to be something that bad, and they will end up having to explain how the hell did they ever complimented such a travesty.

I'm confident there's a surprise around the corner. It doesn't pay for all the pain and bad customer relation we endured, but no one can possibly ever thought that the endings we got were "really good", and enough for the trilogy.

"Prepare yourselves for the Arrival". (I hope...)

[Atrocity]

Cybermortis wrote...

The senario is not quite as daft as it seems, and even leaving out the whole 'Force-directed' thing is not as far-fetched as you might think.

The Empire was large, but it also had to protect a vast area. As military forces have discovered throughout history numbers count for little if you have to spread them out over a large area, and your opponents are smart enough not to try and match strength with strength.

The Empires power was also a weakness because it was invested in a single individual, and then down to local warlords who were compeating for attention and power from the 'King'. Again, history shows that if you have a large empire with power invested in the above manner. Then the leader is killed, those warlords have a habit of fighting each other over who gets to rule next.

Last of all in the case of the Battle for Endor the Imperial fleet lost both of its commanders within minutes - first Admiral Piett, then the Palpatine. Coupled with the distinct 'by the book no exceptions' mentality of the Imperial Navy, this mean that without clear leadership and in a 'brawl' (in this case a very chaotic, close quarters fight) the Imperial Captains were unsure how to react.

*snip*

Oh, I have no problem with Empire loosing after Palpatine dies and Executor goes down with the best troops on board, since it's clear Emperor always was the weakest point of the Empire. I just feel that with guys like Tarkin occupying most of the higher seats, they should've been able to destroy most of the rebels before things went as far as Endor. Then again, Palpatine's ego probably got in the way of efficient military strategy every step of the way.

And no, there is no way anyone can convince me even the goddamn Emperor could control even half of his commanding officers via Force. To me Force is a natural phenomenon, not Space Magic ™ Solution. 

I do feel that Zahn did the best he could with what he had though, not his fault what he had was... well.. what it was.

Modifié par Atrocity, 04 avril 2012 - 10:33 .

[Major Swift]

Feraiin wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

lol not at all, and im not sure exactly why i like it a lot, i think its the theme that seems to be in every episode that no matter how bad things may get something good will come of it in the end that i like the idea of, theres enough misery and unhappiness/unpleasant endings in the world as it is (ME3 added to them unfortunately) so anything to make things seem better is a plus

I've recently begun to rewatch TNG. And frankly, I am amazed how much I missed out on there as a kid. I mean the technobabble is nice, but the themes of the show are much bigger. But at least they stick with their central themes throughout all the episodes. 

And in some similarity, I've always played my Shepard a bit like Captain Picard. 

As for the resources needed to make a new or additional ending: Look at Arrival and LOTS. More than an hour long, rendered cutscenes, completely new levels and dialogue. Bioware can easily get the manpower and resources together to do this.

So I wouldn't worry about the "can they" but the "will they?"

I agree with you with the themes and such like what I said was one of them I interpreted and yea my main shep is kind of like Picard also, always diplomatic but can pull off a renegade move here and there if the situation calls for it

[deity]

lunamoondragon wrote...

... Something keeps knocking at the back of my mind.
In all the hysteria in the weeks before ME3 was finally released, I was constantly on the lookout for new articles and interviews from Bioware. Every new article I read thoroughly, just in case in between all the repeated facts there was something new.

In so many, there was a statement saying Bioware thought one thing fans would be very upset about was the ending.
I can't shake the feeling that they've had a plan from the start.

Really... those kind of statements don't really correspond with all the hype about the different endings and "your choices will matter", that I've seen repeatedly in posts on the forum.

But I can agree to a "shaky feeling"  if you saw those kind of statements.... Scary

[N085]

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

[Kyria Nyriese]

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

Desperate to find out we missed something

[deity]

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

mmmm short term memory loss.... alzheimer light or something ... maybe

[DJBare]

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[chmarr]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

*snip*

Meh.

...Did you just spoil that for me?!

Soylent Green is people. Rosebud was his sled. Bruce Willis was a ghost. It was Earth all along. The dog gets rabies and they have to shoot it. Verbal is Keyser Söze. Vader is Luke's dad. Tyler Durden isn't real. Dom dies to save Marcus. The answer is 42. Neo is The One. Gatsby gets murdered. Trinity dies. Samus Aran is a woman. Atlas is Fontaine. Sephiroth kills Aeris. Snape kills Dumbledore. The pages are blank. The Titanic sinks. Also, there is no Santa.

there is no god
there is no dana ... only zule

[N085]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

Desperate to find out we missed something

I think that was it, didn't help much. Did everything in the game (every quest) and still ended up with the same ending. Made me feel a little better shooting at the Starchild though.

[Computim]

Hahaha.. my brother hasn't even finish the game yet his first playthough and is hoping they released the ending as a patch.. I said "No.".. I don't think he realizes just how bad it's going to be.

[Ender99]

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

To remind yourself why you're fighting for a better ending.

[ajunta_]

deity wrote...

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

mmmm short term memory loss.... alzheimer light or something ... maybe

Korsakoff syndrome! I imagine a movie Memento 2, where a protagonist suffers from Korsakoff syndrome, and every day he wakes up and sees a copy of Mass Effect 3, gets all excited (cause he still has his distant memories about playing two previus games intact), and starts to play wor 24 hours straight without sleeping. You know what happens next with a human being who just had his heart broken by ME3. Finally he falls asleep drunk - and the next morning it's all over again.
I think I didn't spoil much about Memento, if someone didn't see it?

[N085]

Ender99 wrote...

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

To remind yourself why you're fighting for a better ending.

I definitely know why i'm fighting now. 

[Atrocity]

ajunta_ wrote...

deity wrote...

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

mmmm short term memory loss.... alzheimer light or something ... maybe

Korsakoff syndrome! I imagine a movie Memento 2, where a protagonist suffers from Korsakoff syndrome, and every day he wakes up and sees a copy of Mass Effect 3, gets all excited (cause he still has his distant memories about playing two previus games intact), and starts to play wor 24 hours straight without sleeping. You know what happens next with a human being who just had his heart broken by ME3. Finally he falls asleep drunk - and the next morning it's all over again.
I think I didn't spoil much about Memento, if someone didn't see it?

Isn't Korsakoff a specialized short term memory disorder? If I recall (pun intended) it's common with alcoholics, and it entails compulsive lying, when person tries to make sense of the surrounding world and events he can't remember by making up stories.

[Computim]

Atrocity wrote...

ajunta_ wrote...

deity wrote...

N085 wrote...

 Well i just completed ME3 again, why did i put myself through that! 

mmmm short term memory loss.... alzheimer light or something ... maybe

Korsakoff syndrome! I imagine a movie Memento 2, where a protagonist suffers from Korsakoff syndrome, and every day he wakes up and sees a copy of Mass Effect 3, gets all excited (cause he still has his distant memories about playing two previus games intact), and starts to play wor 24 hours straight without sleeping. You know what happens next with a human being who just had his heart broken by ME3. Finally he falls asleep drunk - and the next morning it's all over again.
I think I didn't spoil much about Memento, if someone didn't see it?

Isn't Korsakoff a specialized short term memory disorder? If I recall (pun intended) it's common with alcoholics, and it entails compulsive lying, when person tries to make sense of the surrounding world and events he can't remember by making up stories.

COUGHEAMARKETINGCOUGH

[MeldarthX]

Hey folks - I'm back after a short vacation aka ban lol.......what have I missed in the last 24 hours?


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[ajunta_]

Atrocity wrote...
Isn't Korsakoff a specialized short term memory disorder? If I recall (pun intended) it's common with alcoholics, and it entails compulsive lying, when person tries to make sense of the surrounding world and events he can't remember by making up stories.

Yeah, that's right. At least, that's what I learned from "The man who mistook his wife for a hat". In "Memento" it's more romanticized.

[Atrocity]

Computim wrote...

COUGHEAMARKETINGCOUGH

Now that you put it that way... they really don't have any idea why we're so disappointed, do they? 

[DJBare]

Look on the bright side, even with Shepard beaten and burnt, Harbinger still high tails it out of there, he didn't want to stay around for a real fight, he knew Shepard would have still kicked his Reaper arse.