101103 réponses à ce sujet

[silencemayday]

ah crap.

i don't know if i like those news.. hopefully we'll get some proper answers tomorrow.

[toffeetrooper]

SkaldFish wrote...

May I just suggest that we step back and regain some composure? This is amazing news. No, it isn't everything we asked for -- it may end up being little of what it actually needs to be -- but this is the answer. It isn't going to change, and I strongly urge everyone to focus on the fact that BioWare did respond, that the DLC is free, and that we achieved in this much more than most "experts" believed we would -- or should.

Most of all, let's have the grace and maturity to allow BioWare to move forward with this with their "skin" intact. (EA - who cares, but BioWare -- they are doing what I'm sure many of their peers in the industry begged them NOT to do, and that means something). They aren't going to grovel and say "we screwed up" and we should let them save as much face as they feel they need to save. Read between the lines. This is an admission -- yes, an incomplete one, but still an admission -- that things needed to be "fixed." How that would happen has always been their decision.

The announcement leaves a lot of room for a lot of things to happen that can be good, in spite of the things that make me wince. The worst thing we can do at this point, IMO, is to step right into the roles critics have predicted who said "they won't be satisfied no matter what BioWare does, because they are entitled whiners who just want their way."

We were never all going to get everything we hoped for. Let's continue to be civil, thank BioWare for what we do know at this point, and marvel at the fact that we actually did change things. No matter what we see in the end, that means something. A lot, actually.

Just my thoughts. Gotta go to work. You folks -- all of you -- are amazing.

if true then nothing has changed the ending will still suck , shepard will still be a monster and the choices still mean jack

[silencemayday]

Major Swift wrote...

For the first time since I began holding the line I am speechless and think I need a hug because I feel crushed, I hope I'm actually able to finish my ending rewrite tonight when I get to it now, this information kind of ruined my day but I've got to hope PAX will bring some details that make things look better than they seem

*hug* 
it will be okay. don't worry, tomorrow we'll get some answers. 
and if it's not the answers we're looking for, we'll keep holding the line. 

[TamiBx]

CoolioThane wrote...

Seriously...if it's just an extra few minutes of cutscenes I will smash something. The ending was ****** and I don't want to have an enhanced view of this ******

If it's a scene where I can "talk" and make choices, then I might be able to accept it. They should give us "investigate" on the dialogue wheel when talking to the Catalyst.
I wasn't looking for boss fight, so not having direct gameplay content might not be bad.

Now that I realize it...cutscene is like a conversation. They can even give us the indoctrination theory through a conversation (not that they will, but they could if they wanted to) or any kind of new stuff...unless everything will just add to the current ending, meaning Shepard is dead, so all we do is sit tight and watch Bioware do some more Space Magic 

[Dilos01]

I knew there was a reason for my morning sickness! 

At least it's something...if not what anyone wanted. 

And yet, for some reason, there are many pro-enders who are rejoicing over the news. 

I don't know if I should be satisfied with this or sick to my stomach.  

[Lestatman]

LTBK wrote...

Actually, doing that they'll lose a lot of future sales, not just "annoying people posting on the forums". Many of us, for instance, have our SWTOR accounts on hold till the actual announcement is made, and you can be pretty damn sure that doing a half-assed move from their part would make us forget about their MMO too.

Well my subscription was already cancelled waiting till I heard some news on the endings, but by going on the reaction from this initial statement there is a spread of opinions.  Some don't like it and won't buy another Bioware game, some are patiently waiting and hoping and some are already excited by the news.  I can't remember a lot of ppl shouting for more cinematics/cut scenes so why o why would they stick to their guns and continue with this Artistic Integrity route is beyond me.

[The Big Palooka]

SkaldFish wrote...

May I just suggest that we step back and regain some composure? This is amazing news. No, it isn't everything we asked for -- it may end up being little of what it actually needs to be -- but this is the answer. It isn't going to change, and I strongly urge everyone to focus on the fact that BioWare did respond, that the DLC is free, and that we achieved in this much more than most "experts" believed we would -- or should.

I'll be happy to rest on my laurels once either

A. the DLC comes out and is awesome,

B. the DLC comes out and it is clear that Bioware failed to understand what we wanted or chose to ignore it.

In either case, our window of opportunity will be closed forever.  At the moment, I can still raise my voice about something Bioware hasn't as yet poured resources into, no matter how slight the chances they'll change course.

If I have to settle for thanking Bioware for offering a well-intended but useless response, I'd rather wait to do it until there's no other recourse at all.

[Darth_Acheron47]

SkaldFish wrote...

May I just suggest that we step back and regain some composure? This is amazing news. No, it isn't everything we asked for -- it may end up being little of what it actually needs to be -- but this is the answer. It isn't going to change, and I strongly urge everyone to focus on the fact that BioWare did respond, that the DLC is free, and that we achieved in this much more than most "experts" believed we would -- or should.

Most of all, let's have the grace and maturity to allow BioWare to move forward with this with their "skin" intact. (EA - who cares, but BioWare -- they are doing what I'm sure many of their peers in the industry begged them NOT to do, and that means something). They aren't going to grovel and say "we screwed up" and we should let them save as much face as they feel they need to save. Read between the lines. This is an admission -- yes, an incomplete one, but still an admission -- that things needed to be "fixed." How that would happen has always been their decision.

The announcement leaves a lot of room for a lot of things to happen that can be good, in spite of the things that make me wince. The worst thing we can do at this point, IMO, is to step right into the roles critics have predicted who said "they won't be satisfied no matter what BioWare does, because they are entitled whiners who just want their way."

We were never all going to get everything we hoped for. Let's continue to be civil, thank BioWare for what we do know at this point, and marvel at the fact that we actually did change things. No matter what we see in the end, that means something. A lot, actually.

Just my thoughts. Gotta go to work. You folks -- all of you -- are amazing.

Agreed, and thank you for keeping things in perspective. It's really tempting to storm off at this point, but that's really not going to solve anything.

In that respect, thank you to all the people at BioWare and whatever parent/subsidary companies have been involved with this project. Thank you for listening and for doing something about it.

Free DLC is a huge step. I'll try to remain patient and hear them out before deciding one way or the other whether this corrects enough of the problems to continue being a customer.

[KaiserinKai]

Queenie4000 wrote...

What I fear is that this an attempt to quell those of us who are thoroughly disheartened by the end. If they tell us there is something in the works then they can go ahead and release there paid DLC in hopes of getting the results ($$$) they had hoped for and possibly get a few of us to get the DLC as well. For me, I'll wait until summer and see what this "clarification" is. If solves any of the plotholes for me (not sure how this is possible) THEN I'll get the the paid DLC's they will have already released. I believe they know that there paid DLC numbers will not be as high as expected with things as they are but if they appear to give us something then maybe they can still get there DLC numbers as high as they wanted.

Guess, I'll just hold line and keep looking for news.

Same here, Bioware isn't getting a cent until I see this ending content. If the endings actually make sense and take our choices into account, I'll buy lotsa DLC. If they just "clarify" the same old endings without fixing the massive plotholes, OOC characters, etc, I give up on you Bioware... no more money from me, ever...

[Kateish]

Has there been some sort of official announcement? I'm trying to go back to earlier pages but this thread moves faster than the speed of light...

[Fiannawolf]

Closure is a must, mabye the DLC Directors cut thing will do it, heres hoping I have a good July.

Modifié par Fiannawolf, 05 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[Lestatman]

@ Major Swift - HUG

[Nharia1]

KLGChaos wrote...

Well, if all we're getting is an extended cut... then my money will be going elsewhere. I just won't be able to trust Bioware anymore to deliver on their promises.

*hugs* I'm right there with you... this is almost like a betrayal of trust all over again, I'd actually started to think that maybe BW did have something going on behind the scenes to make this all better, but with this one statement, I feel that trust was misplaced, a second time...

[-Kysi-]

SkaldFish wrote...

The announcement leaves a lot of room for a lot of things to happen that can be good, in spite of the things that make me wince. The worst thing we can do at this point, IMO, is to step right into the roles critics have predicted who said "they won't be satisfied no matter what BioWare does, because they are entitled whiners who just want their way."

I think this is a good point.
Let's give Bioware a chance to elaborate some more on their 'extended cut' at PAX.
If it's gonna be exactly what was stated in the announcement, well....then I'll be taking my money elsewhere from now on.
But until then we should stay calm. (as hard as this might be right now)

[cheinara2]

Is this it? Is this the one we've been waiting for?

EDIT: I'm too late with the news, haha!

Modifié par cheinara2, 05 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[SassyJazRzmataz]

Well I'm just going to be cautiously optimistic about this news for now. I'm glad that Bioware has addressed the endings issue and is offering free DLC. However like many of you I don't like the whole "clarify" thing. Oh well. We did good guys. We actually made a difference. Here's hoping PAX will give some more details.

[The Big Palooka]

Major Swift wrote...

For the first time since I began holding the line I am speechless and think I need a hug because I feel crushed, I hope I'm actually able to finish my ending rewrite tonight when I get to it now, this information kind of ruined my day but I've got to hope PAX will bring some details that make things look better than they seem

Aw, come on in here, buddy, we're here for ya.

I really am hopeful they'll be more open with details than in the past.  We've agonized enough, and we already know what the endings are.  Keeping it a secret to try and boost positive publicity is what they'll probably do, but it'll be a jerk move.

[PowerExtreme]

Alamar2078 wrote...

If the announcement is true AND if I'm reading it properly and it's a "clarification of existing endings + epilogue of existing endings" then it's more corporate strategy / positioning ... grrrrr.

If the above is true this is one of those "apply the least effort so we can get them to shut up" moves.

Lets face it:

-- Some Retakers may think this is the best compromise they'll get and will go away
-- Some Retakers may just give up because BW isn't listening to their specific needs
-- Some Retakers may be pleased enough with what they get to go away

I suspect that those folks that are left won't be enough to keep the Retake movement going.

Note: I figure I'm going to be one of those folks left out in the cold. I wanted new endings that complied with the spirit of BW's prelaunch statements. Not choices of slavery / ethnocide / genocide with an Epilogue attached that will give everyone a "unique ending shaped by their choices" ...

bah humbug

this

Modifié par PowerExtreme, 05 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[The Big Palooka]

Kateish_ wrote...

Has there been some sort of official announcement? I'm trying to go back to earlier pages but this thread moves faster than the speed of light...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11021386/1

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

Lets wait until Pax to see what they have to say about the extended cut dlc, see if it just adds on to the ending that we currently have, or if it gives some better results( Me I want my femshep and Kaidan to retire and have kids, but looking at what we have now....not going to happen)

I've got classes for the rest of the day, so I'll probably be lurking but unable to post.

Hold the line and stay calm, wait to see what BW has to say tomorrow.

Sacred out.

[DazenCobalt17]

Major Swift wrote...

For the first time since I began holding the line I am speechless and think I need a hug because I feel crushed, I hope I'm actually able to finish my ending rewrite tonight when I get to it now, this information kind of ruined my day but I've got to hope PAX will bring some details that make things look better than they seem

*hugs tightly* you ain't the only one

[KLGChaos]

Nharia1 wrote...

KLGChaos wrote...

Well, if all we're getting is an extended cut... then my money will be going elsewhere. I just won't be able to trust Bioware anymore to deliver on their promises.

*hugs* I'm right there with you... this is almost like a betrayal of trust all over again, I'd actually started to think that maybe BW did have something going on behind the scenes to make this all better, but with this one statement, I feel that trust was misplaced, a second time...

I am going to wait and see just what the Extended Cut entails, though. If it's just the same three endings with the same "pick your color of death, just with more cutscenes", then I'm not going to be happy. If they're going to add extended options and variation on the endings, delivering more of what they promised instead of a complete railroad, then it'll be adequate. If they clarify that it is an indoctrination theory going on and everything that happened was in Shep's head, I may accept it, though I'm still going to be very wary of Bioware's titles in the future. No more pre-ordering for me because I don't want to have to buy my endings.

There's probably still going to be a ton of plotholes and inconsistencies, though, no matter how much they try and clarify.

[talk_sick]

Kateish_ wrote...

Has there been some sort of official announcement? I'm trying to go back to earlier pages but this thread moves faster than the speed of light...

EXTENDED CUT to be released "this summer", that will "clarufy", and "give more insight", aka - tell you why you failed to understand that the ending was awesome, by giving you some additional cutsceenes and whatnot.

[evisneffo]

Well ... it's been a matter of minutes, and look what's already happened. They managed to find the best way to cause faultlines in the Retake fleet.

[KaiserinKai]

Kateish_ wrote...

Has there been some sort of official announcement? I'm trying to go back to earlier pages but this thread moves faster than the speed of light...

Yes there has been news. BIG news...