I will remain suspicious of this DLC until I experience it myself. If they do fix things correctly I will gladly buy every DLC for ME3 since I know that given time, they can work their magic we all know and love.
If they, however, just put a nice coat on the ruined and abused corpse that is the ending, then BioWare will have to ship me diamonds or make Generals 2 a god send (which I doubt), and then myself and the rest of the Normandy crew in my head will get drunk with a little help from my friend here.
Until then, SSV Pittsburgh will HOLD THE LINE.
So we can't get the ending we want after all?
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#71802
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:44
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http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/ feels a lot like BW going to me.
The line will be held in the hope of it actually turning out decent, but given the tone of the FAQ, not having too high hopes on that.
"Artistic integrity", sheeesh, after giving us an narratively incoherent, plotholeridden ending with one of the laziest tools in literature, the good old deus ex machina, followed by a copy/paste of deus ex's endings, in combination with the slightly photoshoped pictures (Tali, winter space) not sure artistic vision or integrity is the angle you should be aiming for.
If this doesn't turn out better than I fear it will, the line (a different one) for me no longer providing bioware with funds will have been crossed, has been a good ride, from baldurs gate to most of me3. Been a few bumps along the way of course, but mostly it's been very enjoyable.
The line will be held in the hope of it actually turning out decent, but given the tone of the FAQ, not having too high hopes on that.
"Artistic integrity", sheeesh, after giving us an narratively incoherent, plotholeridden ending with one of the laziest tools in literature, the good old deus ex machina, followed by a copy/paste of deus ex's endings, in combination with the slightly photoshoped pictures (Tali, winter space) not sure artistic vision or integrity is the angle you should be aiming for.
If this doesn't turn out better than I fear it will, the line (a different one) for me no longer providing bioware with funds will have been crossed, has been a good ride, from baldurs gate to most of me3. Been a few bumps along the way of course, but mostly it's been very enjoyable.
#71803
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:45
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I'll just allow myself to slip in this thought into our general Retake consensus...
Don't walk out just yet.
If I'd have to choose one thing that I've learnt over the years working with an advertising team (I was producing advergames for them) is that names are just names, words are just words.
Want to appease your fans but don't want to let your shareholders know that you've actually did a huuuge mistake in the first place, one that would have cost them millions in the long run and endanger their profits over the next few years...? Call it a "clarification", "calibration", "slight adjustment" - use words that won't scare the crap out of corporate people - the people that have to evaluate your work, but never even played one of your productions (they know the "ending fiasco" pretty well, but haven't seen the ending, don't know what a turian is and often mistake Shepard for Kirk). Dress it up in words that will show you as someone wisely catering to the fans, even if they're "entitled" and "childish". Words. Get it? It's the same mechanism that requires you to add "but let us remind you that our games are enjoyed by XXXX people around the world" to the end of each defensive message.
Here's the deal. Admitting to a mistake and pounding your chest over how much you'd like to make up for it may be what the outraged fans expect, but is totally not an option in a corporate world (all personal stuff & whether someone really feels like they didn't deliver is irrelevant at this point - the corporate enviroment just won't let you do this, no matter what). Ever seen those press conferences where executives try to weasle their way out of admitting that they have dropped the ball? They're fully aware that most of the people watching will call them names as soon as they open their mouths and the word "sorry" doesn't fly out of there... But they still have to do it to keep their jobs, funding and future opportunities. Admit to a mistake and the shareholders will either replace you or take their money elsewhere.
Now, to the point. I'm not saying that BioWare will give us the endings we want and deserve, I'm saying it's still pretty much on the table. No, it seems that they won't probably cut out the terrible Starchild, but they may as well transform him into something totally different (Want ideas, BW? We've got about a thousand), reveal that he's feeding Shepard crap, go full indoc, go half indoc, go a quarter indoc, go in a totally different direction... That little announcement of EA's? Not changing much, really. Especially if you consider that it went out from the PR people, not the creative people - and these are two totally different worlds.
Right now we still have to keep the ball rolling. We still have to voice our opinions, we still have to be vocal and let them know that we won't let this trilogy end with the most horrible use of deus ex machina (or diabolus ex machina) since the late 80's. We have to remind them that we can vote with our wallets, that we are worth A LOT of money, and emphasize that we won't take a single new cutscene and be content with it... But that only means that we should keep doing what we're doing right now.
Don't quit, don't go, don't walk out - because the match isn't over yet and it won't be until we see what they've came up with and how much were they willing to let go. This is the long run. If at one point they'll show us a polished turd and say "so, uh, this is it, wanna' taste it?" - then we walk out, and we take all our interest, passion and advertising value with us. But until then - the game is on. Be vocal, let them know what you want, let them know what you won't stand for and react to everything that's happening - just don't burn the bridges yet. Not just yet.
Because right now, it's time to hold the line. As it was yesterday, as it will be tomorrow. This doesn't just end with a vague announcement. This ends with either us winning or everybody loosing.
NOW HOLD THE DAMN LINE, COMMANDERS.
Koobarex out.
Don't walk out just yet.
If I'd have to choose one thing that I've learnt over the years working with an advertising team (I was producing advergames for them) is that names are just names, words are just words.
Want to appease your fans but don't want to let your shareholders know that you've actually did a huuuge mistake in the first place, one that would have cost them millions in the long run and endanger their profits over the next few years...? Call it a "clarification", "calibration", "slight adjustment" - use words that won't scare the crap out of corporate people - the people that have to evaluate your work, but never even played one of your productions (they know the "ending fiasco" pretty well, but haven't seen the ending, don't know what a turian is and often mistake Shepard for Kirk). Dress it up in words that will show you as someone wisely catering to the fans, even if they're "entitled" and "childish". Words. Get it? It's the same mechanism that requires you to add "but let us remind you that our games are enjoyed by XXXX people around the world" to the end of each defensive message.
Here's the deal. Admitting to a mistake and pounding your chest over how much you'd like to make up for it may be what the outraged fans expect, but is totally not an option in a corporate world (all personal stuff & whether someone really feels like they didn't deliver is irrelevant at this point - the corporate enviroment just won't let you do this, no matter what). Ever seen those press conferences where executives try to weasle their way out of admitting that they have dropped the ball? They're fully aware that most of the people watching will call them names as soon as they open their mouths and the word "sorry" doesn't fly out of there... But they still have to do it to keep their jobs, funding and future opportunities. Admit to a mistake and the shareholders will either replace you or take their money elsewhere.
Now, to the point. I'm not saying that BioWare will give us the endings we want and deserve, I'm saying it's still pretty much on the table. No, it seems that they won't probably cut out the terrible Starchild, but they may as well transform him into something totally different (Want ideas, BW? We've got about a thousand), reveal that he's feeding Shepard crap, go full indoc, go half indoc, go a quarter indoc, go in a totally different direction... That little announcement of EA's? Not changing much, really. Especially if you consider that it went out from the PR people, not the creative people - and these are two totally different worlds.
Right now we still have to keep the ball rolling. We still have to voice our opinions, we still have to be vocal and let them know that we won't let this trilogy end with the most horrible use of deus ex machina (or diabolus ex machina) since the late 80's. We have to remind them that we can vote with our wallets, that we are worth A LOT of money, and emphasize that we won't take a single new cutscene and be content with it... But that only means that we should keep doing what we're doing right now.
Don't quit, don't go, don't walk out - because the match isn't over yet and it won't be until we see what they've came up with and how much were they willing to let go. This is the long run. If at one point they'll show us a polished turd and say "so, uh, this is it, wanna' taste it?" - then we walk out, and we take all our interest, passion and advertising value with us. But until then - the game is on. Be vocal, let them know what you want, let them know what you won't stand for and react to everything that's happening - just don't burn the bridges yet. Not just yet.
Because right now, it's time to hold the line. As it was yesterday, as it will be tomorrow. This doesn't just end with a vague announcement. This ends with either us winning or everybody loosing.
NOW HOLD THE DAMN LINE, COMMANDERS.
Koobarex out.
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#71804
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:45
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HEY EVERYONE GUESS WHAT?? WE LOSE! F#$% F$%% F#$^
NO NEW ENDING
MORE "CLARITY" FOR
NO MORE TRUST IN BIOWARE EVER
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
http://www.ingame.ms...nnounced-666928#
Unless this clarity can somehow make the last 10 minutes perfectly logical and connected to the rest of the game I will forever hate BioWare
NO NEW ENDING
MORE "CLARITY" FOR
NO MORE TRUST IN BIOWARE EVER
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
http://www.ingame.ms...nnounced-666928#
Unless this clarity can somehow make the last 10 minutes perfectly logical and connected to the rest of the game I will forever hate BioWare
#71805
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:45
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In few word we are f***? If they dont use the indoctrination theory, for me any dlc is irrelevant. U can explain it for 10 hours , the end still make no sens at all.
There is million of exemples but i am just thinking at once right now. Reaper are here to save us from synthecics' by ripping us appart. No sens. Krogan or Rachni for exemple were a threat to other civilization too. To resume mass effect by synthecis/bio conflict is stupid.
Bye bye BW, no hope in u anymore at all. Part of evil empire.
There is million of exemples but i am just thinking at once right now. Reaper are here to save us from synthecics' by ripping us appart. No sens. Krogan or Rachni for exemple were a threat to other civilization too. To resume mass effect by synthecis/bio conflict is stupid.
Bye bye BW, no hope in u anymore at all. Part of evil empire.
#71806
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:45
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Really? Wanna explain wtf's going on with this ending then?Fallenfromthesky wrote...
TamiBx wrote...
Thank you so much!!!!
No worries for you see I am the master of obscure information
#71807
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:46
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TobiTobsen wrote...
Elanor1 wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
So... we actually won? ME3 Extended Cut? weeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I wouldn't call this victory.
Why not? Everything is better then the ending we got right now.
They're probably just gonna add some cinematics to try and explain the plotholes...
But it will not work! We're still going to get the ''O Hai'' Godkid in the ending... As stated in Pirates of the Caribbean... That's not good enough!
#71809
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:47
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HITMAN629 wrote...
So we can't get the ending we want after all?
2873 pages later... no we can't...
But we're not done yet!
#71810
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:47
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And how is destroy the best ending?
What abouth the Geth, and all we had to go through to end the war with the Quarians? What about EDI!?
My Shepard believes all creatures, synthetic or organic, deserves to live....Destruction makes no sense!
Control is bull****! And synthesis...honestly I think if both kinds of living entities coexisted side by side for long enough, then this might be the natural evolution of things. However, it should NOT be imposed upon others by one creature (Starchild/Shepard). let the living live, and whatever will happen, will happen.
I wish I drank alcohol right about now. Chocolate will have to do...
What abouth the Geth, and all we had to go through to end the war with the Quarians? What about EDI!?
My Shepard believes all creatures, synthetic or organic, deserves to live....Destruction makes no sense!
Control is bull****! And synthesis...honestly I think if both kinds of living entities coexisted side by side for long enough, then this might be the natural evolution of things. However, it should NOT be imposed upon others by one creature (Starchild/Shepard). let the living live, and whatever will happen, will happen.
I wish I drank alcohol right about now. Chocolate will have to do...
#71811
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:48
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@Koobarex I would say its over, they have outright said that they are not changing the ending. Its done, we lose
#71812
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:48
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I think the writer's dog died while he was doing the ending.Phoenix NL wrote...
Really? Wanna explain wtf's going on with this ending then?Fallenfromthesky wrote...
TamiBx wrote...
Thank you so much!!!!
No worries for you see I am the master of obscure information
#71813
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:49
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I have a cunning plan, says Baldric....
Wait until EA's stock price drops, then have another fund raising drive to buy EA stock. Then we have a stockholder's meeting and fire the board.
Wait until EA's stock price drops, then have another fund raising drive to buy EA stock. Then we have a stockholder's meeting and fire the board.
#71814
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:49
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Phoenix NL wrote...
Really? Wanna explain wtf's going on with this ending then?
SPACE MAGIC.....OR REGULAR MAGIC. That and the old "You aren't smrat enough to get our space magic" argument
#71815
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:49
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If you have to stop and clarify/explane your ending, it's a bad ending.
#71816
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:49
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RussianOrc wrote...
What would Mr.Bond do now??
Shot them and say a cheesy one liner...we really cant do the shooty bit but we could say a cheesy one liner and walk off
#71817
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:50
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RussianOrc wrote...
What would Mr.Bond do now??
Infiltrate Bioware Headquarters, have a night with Jessica and Blow up everything with a big c4 bomb.
And drink some Dry Martini, of course
#71818
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:50
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CoolioThane wrote...
Katsumi Liqueur wrote...
"So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding."
The tone is wrong in so many ways...
They say they won't change the endings but doesn't say anything about adding to them...perhaps the IT could still be alive?
Such arrogance. I will never buy anything from there, anymore.
#71819
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:51
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Atrocity wrote...
Might take me some time to get to the point where my drunkedness would affect the accuracy of Hurricane, and not just because I can't get drunk
At least I have Rammstein, they make me happy.
Ich tu' dir weh.
Tut mir nicht Leid!
Das tut dir gut.
Hör wie es schreit!
*sings along*
This thread needs more Rammstein to lighten the mood !
#71820
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:51
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A lot of misinformation going on today on the forums. EA is doing their best to break up the movement.
STICK WITH YOUR GUNS AND HOLD THE LINE!
WE DESERVE BETTER!
STICK WITH YOUR GUNS AND HOLD THE LINE!
WE DESERVE BETTER!
#71821
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:51
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TheSimbul wrote...
And how is destroy the best ending?
What abouth the Geth, and all we had to go through to end the war with the Quarians? What about EDI!?
My Shepard believes all creatures, synthetic or organic, deserves to live....Destruction makes no sense!
Control is bull****! And synthesis...honestly I think if both kinds of living entities coexisted side by side for long enough, then this might be the natural evolution of things. However, it should NOT be imposed upon others by one creature (Starchild/Shepard). let the living live, and whatever will happen, will happen.
I wish I drank alcohol right about now. Chocolate will have to do...
See, that's the thing. No matter what we perceive as the "best" ending, they're all still really sh*tty.
#71822
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:52
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Hey does anyone have the link to the forbes article on this? I'm trying to find it diving in the thred and having no luck
#71823
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:53
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Let's see what's announced at PAX. As usual there are suspicious messages floating around from Bioware people so let's just wait until we hear from them directly tomorrow night. Then we'll see where we stand.HITMAN629 wrote...
@Koobarex I would say its over, they have outright said that they are not changing the ending. Its done, we lose
#71824
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:53
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Jetfire99 wrote...
Hey does anyone have the link to the forbes article on this? I'm trying to find it diving in the thred and having no luck
I strike a second time http://www.forbes.co...ctory-for-fans/
#71825
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 06:53
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Jetfire99 wrote...
Hey does anyone have the link to the forbes article on this? I'm trying to find it diving in the thred and having no luck
This?
http://www.forbes.co...ctory-for-fans/
EDIT: ^ Oh, sneaky
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