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[silencemayday]

Atrocity wrote...
*snip*
It's a cherry lager. I was really suspicious first, but now it's one of my favourites 
:3

And good, real friends don't let friends finish ME3.

cherry? really?  
well okay.. since i do enjoy some good cider.. okay, i'll really look for it now. 

and no, no they don't. i'm just unsure on how to tell him. damn. 

[CitizenSnips28]

Yeah pretty disappointing but not entirely unexpected. While I'm not going to rage or review bomb or anything, I will be taking a break from Bioware, and this coming from a guy who buys all dlc, even crappy armor dlc's. I literally bought some of those in ME2, even though I didn't particularly care about them, because I was such a Bioware fan and wanted to do what I could to support them. As it stands, I'm obviously pretty disappointed at the three flavors of turd they shoveled on us while insisting they're proud of it. We shall see though. Ill check the dlc. It might be better than we think. And if its as bad as it sounds well, there are other ways to entertain oneself and other games.

See to me, holding the line was just as much for Bioware sake as for ours. The last thing Bioware wants is for their customers to quietly slip away unsatisfied. When that happens, Bioware announcements that usually send shivers of excitement down the gaming communities spine will instead be met with a meh response. Holding the line was trying to stop Bioware from going off the precipice and giving them a second chance to do right by the majority of their customers. Its a testament to their (perhaps former) quality that fans gave them that chance. An uninvolved fan base would have simply raged and given up from the get go. Alot of people did in this case as well, though the Retake movement was different. Though we won't know for certain until we get our dlc, it really does sound like they blew the chance we tried to give them. You can't explain away the total upturning of the setting and its themes. At the very least some alternate endings would have been nice. A couple more choices at the end or a paragon/renegade response to the starchild.

Ah well. I CAN be won back, but it will take a change in direction on Bioware's part. A change that seems unlikely, given how hard they seem to be doubling down on the shift that seems apparent. Bioware used to be one of the few companies to cater to harder core gamers who like a good story and get involved with their characters. Lately they just seem to want to make CoD, Space Edition and cater to the ADD riddled casual masses who break their controller's slamming buttons trying skip all cutscenes and dialogue in order to get to the cool explosions. Admittedly I may be a bit of an elitist. I think its more frustration that it seems the casual market is all that matters anymore and gamers like me who crave all the characterization and story are becoming an ignored minority.

Anyway ramble over. Its been alot of fun and I will be hopping on from time to time to say hi to you fabulous people, but I probably won't be holding the line. We get what we get with this clarification dlc. Its not that I'm lazy, its that I'm not sure Bioware is really worth the chance we've been giving them after they decided to dig their heels in today.

[TheSimbul]

Well according to Merizan, plenty of Reaper technology will survive the A,B, C and that means, relays can be rebuilt!

Lol wut?

I think they threw story telling and coherence out the window a long time ago. Fix nonsense with even bigger nonsense...lovely

[Fallenfromthesky]

TheSimbul wrote...

Well according to Merizan, plenty of Reaper technology will survive the A,B, C and that means, relays can be rebuilt!

Lol wut?

I think they threw story telling and coherence out the window a long time ago. Fix nonsense with even bigger nonsense...lovely

True but at least its workable nonsence

[talk_sick]

@chujwamdotego:

we'll see. At this point, I'm going back to Skyrim, and we'll see after the DLC is out.
It might just acomplish the impossible and plug all the gaps the original team left.

The space kid, and his bull**** explanation was never a real problem. The reapers are at liberty to believe whatever they like. The problem was that the ending completely discarded the players' choices throughout the series, to force an ending THEY (BW) wanted the game to have. That's not how rpgs work.

And instead of ending the story, they just left more questions, and a prompt to buy DLC, making the present ending of the game look a lot like this:

http://a2.sphotos.ak...557227589_n.jpg

[Ashtarth1]

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

Never stop someone from playing the first Mass Effect, it is incredible on its own.

[Luiginius]

TheSimbul wrote...

Well according to Merizan, plenty of Reaper technology will survive the A,B, C and that means, relays can be rebuilt!

Lol wut?

I think they threw story telling and coherence out the window a long time ago. Fix nonsense with even bigger nonsense...lovely

Waynesworld endings , calling it now. Anything that was ruled impossible previously gets a pass with:wizard:.

[sg1fan75]

No we Can't it seems, thanks Artistic Vision you win again; Did George Lucas start working at BioWare or something?

[silencemayday]

sg1fan75 wrote...

No we Can't it seems, thanks Artistic Vision you win again; Did George Lucas start working at BioWare or something?

even a lucas ending would've been better. 

[BlackDevil06]

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

Just let him play 1 & 2, then tell him this is the end.


Looking back, I wonder how they nailed such amazings ending in Knights of the Old Republic and Jade Empire, but not in ME3. I mean stroy twists are all good. The revelation of you being Revan in KotOR or Sun Li having planned to take the power of the Water Dragon for himself are superb examples of this. But a godchild from nowhere that defies established lore and negates events in the past like they were non-existent is not such a twist.

[naes1984]

Since the DLC is free we know it's going to be insubstantial. No new endings, probably very little new Voice acting, no actual gameplay. Probably a narration. 15 minutes max. Is anybody really surprised that a big, slow, dumb corporation acts in a big, slow, dumb way? If it was going to be something more than just some cutscenes from the cutting room floor then they would be charging for it.
We're obviously just too stupid to understand their artistic vision. Be sure to buy DA3 and ME4 coming soon!

[elirian_19]

Ashtarth1 wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

Never stop someone from playing the first Mass Effect, it is incredible on its own.

True. I'll just be ready to console him with ridiculous amounts of alcohol when he finally finishes ME3.

[Rdubs]

TheSimbul wrote...

Well according to Merizan, plenty of Reaper technology will survive the A,B, C and that means, relays can be rebuilt!

Lol wut?

I think they threw story telling and coherence out the window a long time ago. Fix nonsense with even bigger nonsense...lovely

Perfect background setup to launch something new from, say an MMORPG...

Can't wait until a couple years from now when people who currently work at the edmonton studio feel it's been long enough that they can let people know what actually happened behind the scenes...but we already caught a glimpse of it with that supposedly-denied leak on the PA forum.

[Phoenix NL]

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

Misery loves company?

[Rammastus]

Visii wrote...

Don't reserve judgement, guys! Let unfettered hatred burn through your body!

That's why they're releasing it over the summer! They want that fire in you to burn out and be buried by time and distraction!

Don't let it!

... >_> Back to editing PAX fanmail...

And it hasn't occured to you that any changes they make, wether its to change the ending entirely or just to add explantions is going to take time. First they have to get the writers, then they have to get the programmers working on it. Make new cutscenes, etc. It all takes time and money. By releasing the DLC for free, they are losing a lot of money. If I understood it right, they are priotizing this over dlc that had been planned and would make some money.

On a side note, I know a lot of you are angry that it wasn't what you wanted. But I've seen from the movement that nobody could agree on what was wanted. Some people saying they wanted the endings changed but couldn't agree on what it should be changed too. Other people saying they just want some closure, but couldn't agree on what it should be. Then there is people like me that think that it doesn't need to be changed and that although closure would be nice, it wasn't required. Their announcement seems like a nice compromise. And since it hasn't been released yet, not a single one of you can say wether or not it will do the job. I can't honestly say it will close the supposed plot holes. I can't say that it won't. 


**minor spoiler**

As to the people saying that the Normandy fleeing makes no sense...Think of it like this. Your on the Normandy, you see your commander and countless others charging towards the beam and being wiped out. Had I been on the Normandy and saw that we were screwed, I wouldn't have just sat there and watched to see if bossman (or lady depending on your choice) gets back up. I would have gotten all the crew members I could find and ran like there was no tomorrow.  Morale can break in the face of death, people scatter. They tend to look after their own people (clans, race, shipmates, etc) and Joker has shown he has no respect for the alliance. Thats just how I see it anyway, I could be wrong.

[Lwyn]

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

After Celestial SOB shows up (before he says anything), have a "power outage" and say it corrupted the game files. Then provide him with this arkis.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-3-Alternate-Endings-SPOILERS-289902125 and claim it's the transcript of the final conversation.
Preserve his soul.

EDIT: To the above: not in a million years would both Garrus and Liara abandon Shepard. The Garrus I know would have rather crushed Joker's brittle ass and flown Normandy to Harbinger's face.

Modifié par Lwyn, 05 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[elirian_19]

Phoenix NL wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

Misery loves company?

Yeah...

[silencemayday]

Phoenix NL wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

My cousin has started playing Mass Effect. I... should probably stop him, shouldn't I?

Misery loves company?

that's actually very true. i brought a friend of mine to play all games, just so that i could have someone to **** about the endings. sometimes i consider myself the 'evil friend'. 

[Rdubs]

Trad3mark wrote...

Are you guys serious right now????? I have been with you guys all along saying we needed change, agreed with all the rebillion you guys made and was proud to be apart of this. But seriously??? They release a DLC that is probably going to fix the ending ( WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN ASKING FOR) AND also going to give it to us for free???? That is more than we asked for, it is time to give up guys, we won the fight, we held the line, its done, honestly i think you guys now are just being 2 year old brats who think they are entitled to everything and just arguing to do so because you have nothing else to do. Give up, we won, were getting the DLC and it will also be free, now go enjoy a perfect game, stop at the end, and wait for the DLC and stop ****ing here.

It doesn't fix the ending.  The ending isn't broken because of the dozens of major plotholes that no one noticed until the fans did, which the sole purpose of this DLC is to plug them.  The best explanation of why the ending doesn't work is contained here.  It's a time investment but it "clarifies" (new favorite word) what a lot of people seem to be missing as to why the ending doesn't work.

[DJBare]

UPDATED!

An End Once and For All


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Hold the line!

Modifié par DJBare, 05 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[NPH11]

Putting a band-aid on a broken leg, Bioware.

I think I'll go to a different hospital.

[Aiden_Cora]

Rammastus wrote...


**minor spoiler**

As to the people saying that the Normandy fleeing makes no sense...Think of it like this. Your on the Normandy, you see your commander and countless others charging towards the beam and being wiped out. Had I been on the Normandy and saw that we were screwed, I wouldn't have just sat there and watched to see if bossman (or lady depending on your choice) gets back up. I would have gotten all the crew members I could find and ran like there was no tomorrow.  Morale can break in the face of death, people scatter. They tend to look after their own people (clans, race, shipmates, etc) and Joker has shown he has no respect for the alliance. Thats just how I see it anyway, I could be wrong.

Except that for the past 2 games all the heroes proves that they are going to stand by each other to the death, so seing them flee just does not fit their personalities no matter how you slice it

[infinitekilan]

I WANT to say "wait until it's released and see what the DLC contains" but I'm really not gonna get my hopes up. As far as I'm concerned, Indoctrination Theory is canon.

Thanks, EA. Thanks for destroying my all-time favorite video game series.

[silencemayday]

DJBare wrote...

An End Once and For All

[SilverOnemi]

you suck ea. and bioware, this was the LAST game i bought from you.

after all those promisses you made... we will never forgive, we will never forget. 

Modifié par SilverOnemi, 05 avril 2012 - 08:18 .