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[mass_zotz]

dizzymonkey_bio wrote...

Agreed on the poor endings (if true). I expect some very dark possible endings given the story but for players who have gone the extra mile to create perfect imports and then do the same for a "perfect" play through of ME3, I would expect a better ending. For those kind of players, none of the listed endings are "satisfying" IMO. Doubly so when you take into account the terrible ending for some LI's.

Make the player jump through flaming hoops while juggling kitchen knives in order to get the "positive" ending, but don't force a overly negative ending on those players. I think that is where the anger is stemming from and if the ending info is true then I can't honestly blame the people who are pissed.

Poor show Bioware, poor show.

That sums it up pretty nice

[DifferentD17]

If the LIs say you better come back shep... that will be a horrible slap and then spit in the face.

[KateKane]

Oh lord and "The Shepard"

That epilogue is so very...terrible.

[FinalFantasy84]

TK EL wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

Unsatisfying is a subjective word. I've talked to people that actually played the space edition that actually were very satisfied by the ending.

So have I, and the unsatisfying part is not a matter of opinion. When there are questions that are still unanswered, or things that happen for no explainable reason, that is the unsatisfying part. Like the aforemention scenario where the normandy is at the relay near pluto for some inexplicable reason while the citadel and the war are at earth

Actually, if one person disagrees that a game was unsatisfying, it is an opinion.  Facts can be proven.  Prove to me that everyone that has ever played this game says it sucks.  Well considering not many people have I guess you can't. 

As far as the aforementioned scenario goes, play the game yourself and you might say "Oh, that's why that happened.  I wish I had played this game before opening my mouth."

Somebodies in denial.

Lol exactly. No where did I suggest the game will suck; quite the contrary in fact if you look at my last post. Again, the fact that there are plot holes is not a matter of opinion. If you believe your source, then why can't I? He has said everything that leads up to said scenario and there is just no reason for it

Thanks to both of you for not proving me wrong.  Being satisfied is based on an opinion.  "Somebody is in denial" (fixed btw) is not a proper retort to prove me wrong.

My main point is, play the game and make your own opinion, or if you don't want to spend the money, just wait for others to play it and watch the gameplay in it's entirety.  I don't think that's so unreasonable.  If I play it ,and see plot holes, I'll be on here asking why there are plot holes.

[Darth Malice113]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

Unsatisfying is a subjective word. I've talked to people that actually played the space edition that actually were very satisfied by the ending.

So have I, and the unsatisfying part is not a matter of opinion. When there are questions that are still unanswered, or things that happen for no explainable reason, that is the unsatisfying part. Like the aforemention scenario where the normandy is at the relay near pluto for some inexplicable reason while the citadel and the war are at earth

Actually, if one person disagrees that a game was unsatisfying, it is an opinion.  Facts can be proven.  Prove to me that everyone that has ever played this game says it sucks.  Well considering not many people have I guess you can't. 

As far as the aforementioned scenario goes, play the game yourself and you might say "Oh, that's why that happened.  I wish I had played this game before opening my mouth."

Somebodies in denial.

Lol exactly. No where did I suggest the game will suck; quite the contrary in fact if you look at my last post. Again, the fact that there are plot holes is not a matter of opinion. If you believe your source, then why can't I? He has said everything that leads up to said scenario and there is just no reason for it

Thanks to both of you for not proving me wrong.  Being satisfied is based on an opinion.  "Somebody is in denial" (fixed btw) is not a proper retort to prove me wrong.

My main point is, play the game and make your own opinion, or if you don't want to spend the money, just wait for others to play it and watch the gameplay in it's entirety.  I don't think that's so unreasonable.  If I play it ,and see plot holes, I'll be on here asking why there are plot holes.

Somebody is in denial.

[FinalFantasy84]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Somebody is in denial.

That's an intelligent retort.  Backed up by tons of evidence from your own personal experience too.

[Henriks]

Someone gimme a link to the spoilers group, please?

Modifié par Henriks, 02 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Sia_Sinblade]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

Unsatisfying is a subjective word. I've talked to people that actually played the space edition that actually were very satisfied by the ending.

So have I, and the unsatisfying part is not a matter of opinion. When there are questions that are still unanswered, or things that happen for no explainable reason, that is the unsatisfying part. Like the aforemention scenario where the normandy is at the relay near pluto for some inexplicable reason while the citadel and the war are at earth

Actually, if one person disagrees that a game was unsatisfying, it is an opinion.  Facts can be proven.  Prove to me that everyone that has ever played this game says it sucks.  Well considering not many people have I guess you can't. 

As far as the aforementioned scenario goes, play the game yourself and you might say "Oh, that's why that happened.  I wish I had played this game before opening my mouth."

Somebodies in denial.

Lol exactly. No where did I suggest the game will suck; quite the contrary in fact if you look at my last post. Again, the fact that there are plot holes is not a matter of opinion. If you believe your source, then why can't I? He has said everything that leads up to said scenario and there is just no reason for it

Thanks to both of you for not proving me wrong.  Being satisfied is based on an opinion.  "Somebody is in denial" (fixed btw) is not a proper retort to prove me wrong.

My main point is, play the game and make your own opinion, or if you don't want to spend the money, just wait for others to play it and watch the gameplay in it's entirety.  I don't think that's so unreasonable.  If I play it ,and see plot holes, I'll be on here asking why there are plot holes.

Somebody is in denial.

Wise-cracking is an art you haven't mastered. Your retorts just make you look silly. Kinda like the people who actually still believe the endings are not real. 

[Jackal7713]

Its sad because, in these endings there is a lot taken from Deus Ex: Invisible War. Its almost like its been modded to fit the ME universe. However people are going " omg why are you mad about the ending?" Well  a lot of it came from a game in 2003, thats why.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 02 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[Arthas9]

I think this fan-made trailer gives you a perfect view on what's coming. Maybe I'm alone on this one, but I find the tragic hero sacrafice epic as hell.

[Darth Malice113]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Somebody is in denial.

That's an intelligent retort.  Backed up by tons of evidence from your own personal experience too.

 It is indeed. Still in denial?

[mass_zotz]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

Unsatisfying is a subjective word. I've talked to people that actually played the space edition that actually were very satisfied by the ending.

So have I, and the unsatisfying part is not a matter of opinion. When there are questions that are still unanswered, or things that happen for no explainable reason, that is the unsatisfying part. Like the aforemention scenario where the normandy is at the relay near pluto for some inexplicable reason while the citadel and the war are at earth

Actually, if one person disagrees that a game was unsatisfying, it is an opinion.  Facts can be proven.  Prove to me that everyone that has ever played this game says it sucks.  Well considering not many people have I guess you can't. 

As far as the aforementioned scenario goes, play the game yourself and you might say "Oh, that's why that happened.  I wish I had played this game before opening my mouth."

Somebodies in denial.

Lol exactly. No where did I suggest the game will suck; quite the contrary in fact if you look at my last post. Again, the fact that there are plot holes is not a matter of opinion. If you believe your source, then why can't I? He has said everything that leads up to said scenario and there is just no reason for it

Thanks to both of you for not proving me wrong.  Being satisfied is based on an opinion.  "Somebody is in denial" (fixed btw) is not a proper retort to prove me wrong.

My main point is, play the game and make your own opinion, or if you don't want to spend the money, just wait for others to play it and watch the gameplay in it's entirety.  I don't think that's so unreasonable.  If I play it ,and see plot holes, I'll be on here asking why there are plot holes.

At least your open minded. Yes of course its an opinion but if their was one ending were the relays don't get destroyed and thenormandy  gets blast to some planet most players would be okay with that and I don't think that ti much to ask for.

[albertalad]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Plot holes? Let me count the ways. BW promised resolution to the L1s. Right kill them on some God forsaken plant with strong hints of inbreeding. BW promised our decisions mattered - not in any BW endings that's more than obvious. Suddenly TIM has an army of so sort never known in ME2 now suddenly popped into being just months weeks after Sheppard worked for the dude. Reapers travel through dark space never needing relays? Huh? How? That's not even possible yet here they are. Then what is the point of ME1 with Sovereign? He just has to wait for a few years and join the Reaper fleet. Holes any Mac truck can drive through. Many more to follow if your interested. How about magically landing on some God forsaken planet with no food, no way to have a sustainable colony, or anything but inbreeding? Jeez that's so amateur even a grade six student would do better.

Looking at the end results and seeing that they died does not mean the love aspect of your relationship wasn't resolved.

Cerberus is a really large organization......

As far as the dark space thing is concerned, all relays do is make travel faster.  They don't teleport you to crazy unreachable places.  I would imagine ever since the reapers have been heading out to reap ever since they found out that the citadel was useless as a mass relay.  So that's around 3 years.  The Reapers have far more advanced technology than any other species in the galaxy.  This isn't unrealistic in this universe.

Sovereign was trying to activate the citadel because the protheans changed how the keepers worked and the citadel didn't become active like it usually did every 50,000 years.

You do realize destroying the relays in any form didn't make everyone idiots right??  They can fix a ship.

I disagree with your premise - Reaper tech is harvested from other species at 50,000 year intervals. Which means their tech is exactly that tech taken from others over time. From the fifteen minutes of ME 3 we have seen its the same as Soverign in firepower. Their power lies in sudden mass invasion taking on one world at a time. Today we have the same policy - invade with overwhelming force. Same as the Reapers. Moreover Reaper can be killed as shown in ME1 - and this time around the Reaper will have to take on the entire galactic races something that has never happen before because the Reaper cannot control the relays as they did in previous invasions.

ME 2 showed if one were to blow, for instance the earth relay, that would wipe out the planet along with the Reapers. Even Reapers can't stop that. The rest of the relays would be intact as would humanity in the colonies - a very simple killing of the Reaper threat.

[KateKane]

Arthas9 wrote...

I think this fan-made trailer gives you a perfect view on what's coming. Maybe I'm alone on this one, but I find the tragic hero sacrafice epic as hell.

Oh you're not. That was my favorite DAO ending and I probably would have chosen it for ME3, had it been a choice.

But sadly, it is not.

[mass_zotz]

Henriks wrote...

Someone gimme a link to the spoilers group, please?

http://social.bioware.com/group/5245/

[TK EL_]

Sigh. Like I said, the fact that there are plot holes is the reason that the endings are not satisfying. Is that so hard to understand? It is not a matter of opinion. Are you suggesting I have to play it myself before I can say there are plotholes even though the game has been revealed in its entirety to the both of us? You are in denial

[Henriks]

mass_zotz wrote...

Henriks wrote...

Someone gimme a link to the spoilers group, please?

http://social.bioware.com/group/5245/

thks

[FinalFantasy84]

mass_zotz wrote...


At least your open minded. Yes of course its an opinion but if their was one ending were the relays don't get destroyed and thenormandy  gets blast to some planet most players would be okay with that and I don't think that ti much to ask for.

That is the first direct answer to what someone wanted that I've gotten this whole time.  So basically what most people would want is to have the relays still, and to not have the Normandy blasted onto some unknown planet.

Maybe we're gonna find out something about the relays that makes that impossible though is what I was thinking, and they have to be destroyed or else the Reapers will win.

[mass_zotz]

mass_zotz wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

Unsatisfying is a subjective word. I've talked to people that actually played the space edition that actually were very satisfied by the ending.

So have I, and the unsatisfying part is not a matter of opinion. When there are questions that are still unanswered, or things that happen for no explainable reason, that is the unsatisfying part. Like the aforemention scenario where the normandy is at the relay near pluto for some inexplicable reason while the citadel and the war are at earth

Actually, if one person disagrees that a game was unsatisfying, it is an opinion.  Facts can be proven.  Prove to me that everyone that has ever played this game says it sucks.  Well considering not many people have I guess you can't. 

As far as the aforementioned scenario goes, play the game yourself and you might say "Oh, that's why that happened.  I wish I had played this game before opening my mouth."

Somebodies in denial.

Lol exactly. No where did I suggest the game will suck; quite the contrary in fact if you look at my last post. Again, the fact that there are plot holes is not a matter of opinion. If you believe your source, then why can't I? He has said everything that leads up to said scenario and there is just no reason for it

Thanks to both of you for not proving me wrong.  Being satisfied is based on an opinion.  "Somebody is in denial" (fixed btw) is not a proper retort to prove me wrong.

My main point is, play the game and make your own opinion, or if you don't want to spend the money, just wait for others to play it and watch the gameplay in it's entirety.  I don't think that's so unreasonable.  If I play it ,and see plot holes, I'll be on here asking why there are plot holes.

At least your open minded. Yes of course its an opinion but if their was one ending were the relays don't get destroyed and thenormandy  gets blast to some planet most players would be okay with that and I don't think that ti much to ask for.

By the way when I was talking about the endings being satisfying.

[Sia_Sinblade]

TK EL wrote...

Sigh. Like I said, the fact that there are plot holes is the reason that the endings are not satisfying. Is that so hard to understand? It is not a matter of opinion. Are you suggesting I have to play it myself before I can say there are plotholes even though the game has been revealed in its entirety to the both of us? You are in denial

In its entirety? When did that happen? Someone posted a walkthrough video of all possible imports/choices/consequences while I was asleep? 

As far as I know, we have 
1) Leaked videos confirming the general theme of the endings
2) A leaked script that's already been shown to be altered (if not necessarily for the best)
3) Conjecture and opinions from the people who leaked the stuff. 

Nowhere have I seen a complete walkthrough...much less multiple ones accounting for all the possibilities and listing off all the conversations and cutscenes along with every bit of information we get. 

[mass_zotz]

Henriks wrote...

mass_zotz wrote...

Henriks wrote...

Someone gimme a link to the spoilers group, please?

http://social.bioware.com/group/5245/

thks

Happy to help

[FinalFantasy84]

TK EL wrote...

Sigh. Like I said, the fact that there are plot holes is the reason that the endings are not satisfying. Is that so hard to understand? It is not a matter of opinion. Are you suggesting I have to play it myself before I can say there are plotholes even though the game has been revealed in its entirety to the both of us? You are in denial

I just want a list of these supposed plot holes.  Also, yes I am suggesting that you have to either have seen the game in it's entirety or played it yourself to state there are plot holes.  It would be like not reading a novel, someone coming up to you and saying "Ok you read the prequel.  This is how this book ends though."  Obviously you would be like "Wtf that makes NO sense" to which he responds "Yea I know so many plot holes"  and you believe him and start telling everyone that there are major plot holes. 

Modifié par FinalFantasy84, 02 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[mass_zotz]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

mass_zotz wrote...


At least your open minded. Yes of course its an opinion but if their was one ending were the relays don't get destroyed and thenormandy  gets blast to some planet most players would be okay with that and I don't think that ti much to ask for.

That is the first direct answer to what someone wanted that I've gotten this whole time.  So basically what most people would want is to have the relays still, and to not have the Normandy blasted onto some unknown planet.

Maybe we're gonna find out something about the relays that makes that impossible though is what I was thinking, and they have to be destroyed or else the Reapers will win.

Even If I still have to kill EDI and the geth I could live with that

Modifié par mass_zotz, 02 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[SethAC]

Now, after I was thinking about the endings after a couple of days, I'm okay with them. The reapers ARE the f*****g biggest enemies the galaxy have. If you want to win against a species which killed civilisations over millions of years it is logical that you have to loose much. I also expected at least one happy ending, but at last I'm accepting the actual endings!

[TK EL_]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Sigh. Like I said, the fact that there are plot holes is the reason that the endings are not satisfying. Is that so hard to understand? It is not a matter of opinion. Are you suggesting I have to play it myself before I can say there are plotholes even though the game has been revealed in its entirety to the both of us? You are in denial

In its entirety? When did that happen? Someone posted a walkthrough video of all possible imports/choices/consequences while I was asleep? 

As far as I know, we have 
1) Leaked videos confirming the general theme of the endings
2) A leaked script that's already been shown to be altered (if not necessarily for the best)
3) Conjecture and opinions from the people who leaked the stuff. 

Nowhere have I seen a complete walkthrough...much less multiple ones accounting for all the possibilities and listing off all the conversations and cutscenes along with every bit of information we get. 

I think Q&A directly with people who have the game and have completed it multiple times and uploaded requested images and video right at time of request counts as all the info I need to know where some of the plot holes are. The end part of the game has nothing to do with imported choices