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[Computim]

The way I see it now, Someone is going to release a mod with far better endings than Bioware had. Those endings will end up becoming the 'standard' mod set that everyone who gets the game downloads.. much like the unofficial bug fix mod for Oblivion & Morrowind that ended up fixing the stuff Bethesda didn't get around to. Except in this case the sad thing will be that the narrative artistic integrity that Bioware fought so hard to protect will be crushed (with good reason) and forgotten in place of an ending legitimized by the community and brought about by the arrogance of the original releasing studio.

I can't tell if I'm upset by this or hopeful for something that I can call canon and have the entire RetakeME3 community backing me on despite everyone knowing it's not official.

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

 They look so alike that it's scary...

http://29.media.tumb...pv9f8o1_500.jpg

... OoO what the....

[GoldBTM25]

TamiBx wrote...

 They look so alike that it's scary...

http://29.media.tumb...pv9f8o1_500.jpg

 That is eerie

[Nharia1]

Computim wrote...

The way I see it now, Someone is going to release a mod with far better endings than Bioware had. Those endings will end up becoming the 'standard' mod set that everyone who gets the game downloads.. much like the unofficial bug fix mod for Oblivion & Morrowind that ended up fixing the stuff Bethesda didn't get around to. Except in this case the sad thing will be that the narrative artistic integrity that Bioware fought so hard to protect will be crushed (with good reason) and forgotten in place of an ending legitimized by the community and brought about by the arrogance of the original releasing studio.

I can't tell if I'm upset by this or hopeful for something that I can call canon and have the entire RetakeME3 community backing me on despite everyone knowing it's not official.

My problem with someone realsing a mod, is that I can't get it... I'm on a 360 so it won't do me any good, plus I've got no idea how to go about setting up mods in the first place... Yeah its sad I know, but I've got no clue what I'm doing when it comes to most PC games, the most I know how to do is how to use console commands...

[DarthLaxian]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Astralify wrote...

This is unbelievable... Bioware is going on a suicide mission...

12 man team not to return. 

well a lot of people are on the way to hell - but bioware is SPEEDING ATM (to bad this road does not have police or they might get a ticket!)

i hope the re-gain there senses, but i guess not (with that announcement....they are seriously of their rocker IMHO!)

greetings LAX

[nitefyre410]

Computim wrote...

*snip* 
There's a lot more history than you're touching on there regarding EA and the endings.  EA's fiscal year end was march 31st, which is why the game was pushed out and not delayed again.  So right off the bat EA's just as much at fault as Bioware.

EA is just as much at fault for continuing a pattern of behaviour regarding releases despite their customers regularly disapproving.  If they didn't create a culture where executives are incentivized to push out games as often as possible and meet deadlines, not based on valid milestones of production, but on investor relations, the subsidiaries wouldn't continue to run into these problems.  Yes Bioware is at fault for pushing the game out before it was ready, but EA is at fault having the management structure that rewards quantity over quality.

  

hmm... you make a vaild point... 

[TSC_1]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't know how they could make it make sense, and evidently, neither do you.  Does that mean that they don't know how?  Your position is purely one of arrogance.  Wait for their explanation, then see.

But Bioware have lost all credibility - they need to regain it if they want to sell this to us.

[GoldBTM25]

Nharia1 wrote...

Computim wrote...

The way I see it now, Someone is going to release a mod with far better endings than Bioware had. Those endings will end up becoming the 'standard' mod set that everyone who gets the game downloads.. much like the unofficial bug fix mod for Oblivion & Morrowind that ended up fixing the stuff Bethesda didn't get around to. Except in this case the sad thing will be that the narrative artistic integrity that Bioware fought so hard to protect will be crushed (with good reason) and forgotten in place of an ending legitimized by the community and brought about by the arrogance of the original releasing studio.

I can't tell if I'm upset by this or hopeful for something that I can call canon and have the entire RetakeME3 community backing me on despite everyone knowing it's not official.

My problem with someone realsing a mod, is that I can't get it... I'm on a 360 so it won't do me any good, plus I've got no idea how to go about setting up mods in the first place... Yeah its sad I know, but I've got no clue what I'm doing when it comes to most PC games, the most I know how to do is how to use console commands...

QFT. All us console owners got is headcannon. Luckily, I have a pretty active imagination

[Computim]

Nharia1 wrote...

Computim wrote...

The way I see it now, Someone is going to release a mod with far better endings than Bioware had. Those endings will end up becoming the 'standard' mod set that everyone who gets the game downloads.. much like the unofficial bug fix mod for Oblivion & Morrowind that ended up fixing the stuff Bethesda didn't get around to. Except in this case the sad thing will be that the narrative artistic integrity that Bioware fought so hard to protect will be crushed (with good reason) and forgotten in place of an ending legitimized by the community and brought about by the arrogance of the original releasing studio.

I can't tell if I'm upset by this or hopeful for something that I can call canon and have the entire RetakeME3 community backing me on despite everyone knowing it's not official.

My problem with someone realsing a mod, is that I can't get it... I'm on a 360 so it won't do me any good, plus I've got no idea how to go about setting up mods in the first place... Yeah its sad I know, but I've got no clue what I'm doing when it comes to most PC games, the most I know how to do is how to use console commands...

Well just wait for it to go in the bargain bin for $5 for PC and you can get it on there (much like I did with Oblivion).
The way we're going that should be in a month or so *rimshots*

[nitefyre410]

TamiBx wrote...

 They look so alike that it's scary...

http://29.media.tumb...pv9f8o1_500.jpg

 

   

^ this I feel right now- this how hard I could hit some  parties. 

[MetalCargo999]

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't know how they could make it make sense, and evidently, neither do you.  Does that mean that they don't know how?  Your position is purely one of arrogance.  Wait for their explanation, then see.

But Bioware have lost all credibility - they need to regain it if they want to sell this to us.

They aren't.  It's free.

[xsdob]

The wait and see approach is probably the best option, otherwise the fans will act like an open flame in an oxygen deprived room and burn themselves out before you can even count to three months.

Meanwhile, all the wait and see crowd will be energized and ready for whatever bioware pulls, willing and able to swarm them at a moments notice should the DLC be less than passable. And you hardline rebels will be too tired and too emotionally drained to either care or make a difference in the fight.

[Astralify]

Computim wrote...

The way I see it now, Someone is going to release a mod with far better endings than Bioware had. Those endings will end up becoming the 'standard' mod set that everyone who gets the game downloads.. much like the unofficial bug fix mod for Oblivion & Morrowind that ended up fixing the stuff Bethesda didn't get around to. Except in this case the sad thing will be that the narrative artistic integrity that Bioware fought so hard to protect will be crushed (with good reason) and forgotten in place of an ending legitimized by the community and brought about by the arrogance of the original releasing studio.

I can't tell if I'm upset by this or hopeful for something that I can call canon and have the entire RetakeME3 community backing me on despite everyone knowing it's not official.

I would like that, but ME is almost impossible to mod. Aside from a few texture replacements we can't do anything big. Maybe someone can rip the models from the game and make new endings as videos. I cant think of anything else...

Modifié par Astralify, 06 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[TSC_1]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't know how they could make it make sense, and evidently, neither do you.  Does that mean that they don't know how?  Your position is purely one of arrogance.  Wait for their explanation, then see.

But Bioware have lost all credibility - they need to regain it if they want to sell this to us.

They aren't.  It's free.

Metaphorically. I could also have gone with "if they want us to swallow this."

Modifié par TSC_1, 06 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[-PG-Skyre]

MetalCargo999 wrote..

I don't know how they could make it make sense, and evidently, neither do you.  Does that mean that they don't know how?  Your position is purely one of arrogance.  Wait for their explanation, then see.

Naww, you're still a hopeful.

I remember far too many of BioWare's stuffups to have the hope you do.

1- "Massive Community Event" which ended out being for some of the US only (which they didnt tell us about, we had to read the fine print once the big timer had stopped and released the details to us).

2- TOR release, which went from world wide, to seperate release dates. Then sent us all the emails to preorder, and we got the "not available in your region" messages.

3- Dragon Age 2, with the reuse of the same tiles over and over. Same caves, buildings. Everything.

4- TOR as a whole, it didn't meet the hype they made for it. Which is evident in the now dwindling numbers (I used to play it).

5- Now, Mass Effect 3. Not only have they broken promises to the playerbase, they've also managed to insult us at every turn (about how large we are, to our intelligence). Put that on top of the massive failure that is the ending...and yeah.

"Arrogance"? No. Not arrogance. Just experienced enough of BioWare recently to know that this will be the same as everything else. It is not arrogant when failing has become part of the companies personality.

[Alamandorious]

Hm.

Why is it when I think of 'extended cut DLC' I get a sudden urge to eat the 'Thick Cut' rippled potato chips that are part of a store-brand name...

God damn it, I don't even like those >.<

[Darth Garrus]

I'm back, guys.

Holding the line!

[morph4037]

TamiBx wrote...

 They look so alike that it's scary...

http://29.media.tumb...pv9f8o1_500.jpg

Epic...

[Gurneyslabb]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote..

I don't know how they could make it make sense, and evidently, neither do you.  Does that mean that they don't know how?  Your position is purely one of arrogance.  Wait for their explanation, then see.

Naww, you're still a hopeful.

I remember far too many of BioWare's stuffups to have the hope you do.

1- "Massive Community Event" which ended out being for some of the US only (which they didnt tell us about, we had to read the fine print once the big timer had stopped and released the details to us).

2- TOR release, which went from world wide, to seperate release dates. Then sent us all the emails to preorder, and we got the "not available in your region" messages.

3- Dragon Age 2, with the reuse of the same tiles over and over. Same caves, buildings. Everything.

4- TOR as a whole, it didn't meet the hype they made for it. Which is evident in the now dwindling numbers (I used to play it).

5- Now, Mass Effect 3. Not only have they broken promises to the playerbase, they've also managed to insult us at every turn (about how large we are, to our intelligence). Put that on top of the massive failure that is the ending...and yeah.

"Arrogance"? No. Not arrogance. Just experienced enough of BioWare recently to know that this will be the same as everything else. It is not arrogant when failing has become part of the companies personality.

100 times this not to mention the one who shall not be named ( Hawke ) shudder

Modifié par Gurneyslabb, 06 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Alamandorious]

We need this guy to represent us:

[Computim]

Alamandorious wrote...

We need this guy to represent us:

I still say we should have gotten Chuck Norris on board with this.. it would have gone a lot smoother when he just threw anyone who said anything dumb into a black hole.

[MetalCargo999]

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't know how they could make it make sense, and evidently, neither do you.  Does that mean that they don't know how?  Your position is purely one of arrogance.  Wait for their explanation, then see.

But Bioware have lost all credibility - they need to regain it if they want to sell this to us.

They aren't.  It's free.

Metaphorically. I could also have gone with "if they want us to swallow this."

Then let them try to regain their credibility - and in the meantime, regain your dignity.  Wait for them to come up with their response as to why they want to keep their ending with the explanation they have, then come up with your rebuttals.  Besides, providing it for free is the closest thing to an apology the fanbase is ever going to get, and in the gaming industry, this is the first time this happens.  It is historic.  

[RedWolf08]

I've been lurking around for way too many pages since I posted last. I'll TRY and be patient and wait for the free DLC that clarifies *cough* the ending. I was hoping we'd learn more tomorrow from PAX, but it seems that won't happen according to the tweet earlier. If the DLC ends up delivering on all of the promises made before the game came out *16 different endings, no abc endings* then I'll be happy. If not, well then I've said it before and I'll say it again-If Bioware thinks I should imagine the ending with what they gave us, then they can imagine me playing their games while I play games from other developers. Just to CLARIFY my position, since I know BW/EA LOVES that term-I will no longer be purchasing anything from BW/EA. Which is such a shame since I loved so many of their previous games. /mourn

[Darth Garrus]

Computim wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

We need this guy to represent us:

I still say we should have gotten Chuck Norris on board with this.. it would have gone a lot smoother when he just threw anyone who said anything dumb into a black hole.

Huahahahahahaha this!!!

[TSC_1]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Then let them try to regain their credibility - and in the meantime, regain your dignity.  Wait for them to come up with their response as to why they want to keep their ending with the explanation they have, then come up with your rebuttals.  Besides, providing it for free is the closest thing to an apology the fanbase is ever going to get, and in the gaming industry, this is the first time this happens.  It is historic.  

There are only so many chances that I'm willing to give you. And I'm still willing to let Bioware redeem themselves. But at this point, they actually need to do it to keep me on board. Vague promises that they might do so in the future are not enough anymore. It's time for them to put up or shut up, as it were.

If they have something that will redeem them, we need to see it. Now.