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[MetalCargo999]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...
Ok.  Let's tell them to use their super powers to stop time so that they can do their work outside of time while we don't notice a thing.  Then, when they're done writing their response to our complaints, they can resume time and present it to us immediately.

I think, good sir, you are missing the point.
We are not asking for them to do the work all at once. We are asking for the complete story on how they plan to fix this. They know the basis of our complaints, they are summed up really well in 2 vids on youtube which I have linked to them several times (and they have responded to tell me they watched them).

It does not take anything more than a day of thought to come up with a definitive answer.

As is, I think this is a case of you not being on the recieving end of BioWare's fails enough to understand why it is we are planting our foot and saying "enough is enough".

I don't think you understand the implications of what it is you're asking.  They weren't expecting to do this, so much so that they've put off their other DLC to get straight to this one in response to the fans.  Since they can only come up with a good response once the team has written one that will satisfy and respond to as much of the fan feedback as possible, they can't make anything official.  Think of the prerelease promises that fueled the present fires.  They're playing smart, and the if you want to play the same game as them and win, so should you. 

[GoldBTM25]

TamiBx wrote...

GoldBTM25 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Don't forget the EMS, multiplayer and galaxy readiness, guys...their first and probably longest fans aka Xbox 360 players were completeled s***** over in this game. 

That's me! *hangs head* Yeah, when I finished the game I went online to see what went wrong. Found out you needed to play MP to get 20 second scence. Got mad. Then saw that the endings were all very, um... similar. Then I really thought about what I had just witnessed and got a migraine and my I.Q. dropped 10 points.

I've played ME  from  the first one, and I feel like PS3 players got more out of it than we did. 
Now that I know they will keep this ending...I swear they need to fix this EMS problem.  This is all so...wrong. 

Yeah, they at least didn't get to see the Reapers go from cold-blodded genocidal machines to ridiculous walking paradoxes

[TSC_1]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Ok.  Let's tell them to use their super powers to stop time so that they can do their work outside of time while we don't notice a thing.  Then, when they're done writing their response to our complaints, they can resume time and present it to us immediately.

Or, how about this: we ask them to be completely honest with us. Tell us what happened. Tell us what they're going to do. Tell us that they're working on it. And, yes, tell us that they don't have anything yet, but more will be coming when they do.

Don't release the kind of statement that they did today. It's insulting.

[TamiBx]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

360 owners united for better non-gold endings!Hold the line.

360 owners will now make a new thread and hold the line so they can fix this EMS bs 


But now, seriously. If they are not talking about the ending and its cutscene at PAX, is it ok to ask about the Xbox 360 ems issue? We can't play mp without gold and they said "you can get the whole experience from the game itself. Mp will not affect your game at all" on launch day.

Yeah, right. <_<

[Jetfire99]

TamiBx wrote...

 They look so alike that it's scary...

http://29.media.tumb...pv9f8o1_500.jpg

Lexx Ref I love you! Man the point it raise is scary. Either way points eailer about them wanting us to quiet down is a ... very valid one. We need to keep making noise and bringing attention to this.

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

Same!  I -preordered- Mass Effect 1!  I've been an unapologetic Bioware fanboy until now.  They lost my trust, they don't want to earn it back.... their loss, I'm waiting on Notch's new sci-fi game (which he's basically been coding on twitter the last few days... like actually coding.. some of his tweets are like remainingtime -= collision.time * (1 - remainingtime)

I'm also going to probably do some X-universe play, speaking of which the X3 series is on sale on Steam this weekend.

It's sad how cynical Bioware's turned me into this month.  A month ago they could have sold me horse armor with the N7 logo and I would have called it brilliant and a funny jab at Bethesda for the community... now I'd see it for what it is, a poor judgement at the expense of their customer.

I was ready to get the N7 hoodie, N7 360 controller, mouse...why did this happen?! :crying:

[Ihatebadgames]

I pre-ordered Witcher since I am not going to buy any dlc from EA/BW.Missed out on the dark edition.Really a simple outline of what the Extended Cut will do would help some at this point.It's not like they'd leak the ending to the game and ruin it for people.

[Fox544]

Cybermortis wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Then let them try to regain their credibility - and in the meantime, regain your dignity.  Wait for them to come up with their response as to why they want to keep their ending with the explanation they have, then come up with your rebuttals.  Besides, providing it for free is the closest thing to an apology the fanbase is ever going to get, and in the gaming industry, this is the first time this happens.  It is historic.  

No its not.

CD Projeck got a lot of complaints about serious bugs with The Witcher. Their answer - to go back and practically re-write and update the entire game AND add additional content. This enhanced edition was...free to download for everyone who had a registered version of the original game.

They've just done the exact same thing with The Witcher 2 - updated the original, added content (including I believe a couple of new endings) and made it free for those who bought and registered the first version of The Witcher 2.

Don't forget Bethesda and Fallout 3 when their Exec Producer apologized admitting they made a mistake with the ending and then announced Broken Steel which would replace the original ending and added an entire new campaign.

This isn't historic and I have no idea why no one remembers so many other companies did this before and did it with less of a fight.

Modifié par Fox544, 06 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[-PG-Skyre]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't think you understand the implications of what it is you're asking.  They weren't expecting to do this, so much so that they've put off their other DLC to get straight to this one in response to the fans.  Since they can only come up with a good response once the team has written one that will satisfy and respond to as much of the fan feedback as possible, they can't make anything official.  Think of the prerelease promises that fueled the present fires.  They're playing smart, and the if you want to play the same game as them and win, so should you. 

First, we specifically said that they should not just expand on the current ending. Which they have.

That specific point proves they are not listening. They do not care.
Also, please refrain from the "playing it smart" remarks. They are generally seen as vieled insults on ones intelligence.

BioWare is not playing it smart. They are playing it EA. There is a substantial difference. The difference being "Smart" is on one end of the IQ scale, and "EA" is on the other.

[akipi00]

Well I rarely comment on forums (probably can count the number of comments on one hand) but the ending just left such a bad taste I have to let a little bit out.

I finished ME3 about 3 weeks a go and didn't even feel like playing a video game at all.
I finally felt good enough that I wanted to try playing something last weekend and actually found MGS4 in my bookshelf.
The game showed me why I liked to play video games again. The MGS story can get confusing at times, but somehow 4 was able to pull together everything over the years into one cohesive story. It was so satisfying that I want to go back and play all the games again.

The ME3 ending just felt the opposite, the first two games were building up to the ending in the third but the last 10 minutes caused me to draw a blank. It had so much going for it and got me so emotional at times (Tuchanka, Rannoch) that it really hit me hard.

I guess I was lucky enough to have a game that made me remember why I love to play video games. The ME series was right up there until the ending hit.

[Darth Garrus]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't think you understand the implications of what it is you're asking.  They weren't expecting to do this, so much so that they've put off their other DLC to get straight to this one in response to the fans.  Since they can only come up with a good response once the team has written one that will satisfy and respond to as much of the fan feedback as possible, they can't make anything official.  Think of the prerelease promises that fueled the present fires.  They're playing smart, and the if you want to play the same game as them and win, so should you. 

Sir, again, we don't need explanations. Good as they may be, they can keep them for themselves. We want new endings. I'm not a dog who wants attention, and need "closure" and "to feel good again". And I'm not stupid that I need the endings explained. I understood the endings. They are just not good.

It's a strawman fallacy to say that they have ended our problems by explaining it. We never wanted explanations in the first place. We want new and good endings. Endings worthy of the journey we did with the characters.

Don't buy this story. They said they won't change a thing, and won't give us new endings. They said they will "explain" and "add more feeling of closure" to the fans. That is NOT what we want!!!

Modifié par Darth Suetam, 06 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

360 owners united for better non-gold endings!Hold the line.

360 owners will now make a new thread and hold the line so they can fix this EMS bs 


But now, seriously. If they are not talking about the ending and its cutscene at PAX, is it ok to ask about the Xbox 360 ems issue? We can't play mp without gold and they said "you can get the whole experience from the game itself. Mp will not affect your game at all" on launch day.

Yeah, right. <_<

So basically rather than talk about the one semblance of goodwill they've squandered.. they're going to discuss the face import bug being 'fixed' in the patch they keep saying is 'coming', or the promised operation raptor packs they held back because someone was 'exploiting' them. 

...there's not a lot of good to talk about.. unless they want to go over the '75 perfect reviews' again hahaha.

[MetalCargo999]

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Ok.  Let's tell them to use their super powers to stop time so that they can do their work outside of time while we don't notice a thing.  Then, when they're done writing their response to our complaints, they can resume time and present it to us immediately.

Or, how about this: we ask them to be completely honest with us. Tell us what happened. Tell us what they're going to do. Tell us that they're working on it. And, yes, tell us that they don't have anything yet, but more will be coming when they do.

Don't release the kind of statement that they did today. It's insulting.

I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

[Ramshakkle]

TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

Same!  I -preordered- Mass Effect 1!  I've been an unapologetic Bioware fanboy until now.  They lost my trust, they don't want to earn it back.... their loss, I'm waiting on Notch's new sci-fi game (which he's basically been coding on twitter the last few days... like actually coding.. some of his tweets are like remainingtime -= collision.time * (1 - remainingtime)

I'm also going to probably do some X-universe play, speaking of which the X3 series is on sale on Steam this weekend.

It's sad how cynical Bioware's turned me into this month.  A month ago they could have sold me horse armor with the N7 logo and I would have called it brilliant and a funny jab at Bethesda for the community... now I'd see it for what it is, a poor judgement at the expense of their customer.

I was ready to get the N7 hoodie, N7 360 controller, mouse...why did this happen?! :crying:

Same here. I right out had a preorder on that N7 headset, then the ending came. That got canceled real quick and replaced with the nonlicensed version. Still got a couple shirts right before the game came out, but I  figure, they might have destoyed the series, but damn near nothing will break my (high) opinions of Tali and Garrus.

[Bruinbear]

It's been a rough day with the Bioware response, so I was catching up with the Marauder Shields comics to cheer me up. I just realized that my gamertag got a shout out in #13. So rad! Koobismo rocked more than I thought he did! Lol!

http://koobismo.devi...t.com/#/d4upg26

[TSC_1]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

Only if they promise things they aren't going to deliver. I said I wanted honesty, not the PR bafflegab they gave us pre-release.

[Nharia1]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

I pre-ordered Witcher since I am not going to buy any dlc from EA/BW.Missed out on the dark edition.Really a simple outline of what the Extended Cut will do would help some at this point.It's not like they'd leak the ending to the game and ruin it for people.

I'm wondering if my local GameStop still has an available copy of the Dark Edition... whcih for some reason I feel myself drawn to, even though I should really be saving money and not spending it... >.< Ugh why must such awesome games come out after I've spent all this money on something that, while its good(for the most part) I despise the ending...

[Aviditie]

Oh I am def getting The Witcher 2. And never buying another bioware product as long as I live. Their announcement today, yet again giving themselves a pat on the back for their "art", was the last straw. Don't mind taking up their cash to maintain this server, however.

So what is art, anyway? Are you allowed to crap on something and turn around and say "Dude, my art!" ???

[GoldBTM25]

Computim wrote...

Same!  I -preordered- Mass Effect 1!  I've been an unapologetic Bioware fanboy until now.  They lost my trust, they don't want to earn it back.... their loss, I'm waiting on Notch's new sci-fi game (which he's basically been coding on twitter the last few days... like actually coding.. some of his tweets are like remainingtime -= collision.time * (1 - remainingtime)

I'm also going to probably do some X-universe play, speaking of which the X3 series is on sale on Steam this weekend.

It's sad how cynical Bioware's turned me into this month.  A month ago they could have sold me horse armor with the N7 logo and I would have called it brilliant and a funny jab at Bethesda for the community... now I'd see it for what it is, a poor judgement at the expense of their customer.

I know the feeling very well. Once I got a 360 and JRPGs became unplayable, I had to go to western RPGs. ME was actually the first game I bought. The dialog wheel blew me away, although, to be honest, the combat did bring it down a couple of notches in my book. Then came ME2 and then the clincher, DA:O. Once I finished that one BW sat atop my developer list. Then DA2 came, and I was OK with it, thinking it was just a rush-job and they could redeem themselves with 3. And then, well, we know what happened. Suffice to say, since the ending, I have become a bit more jaded toward the industry as a whole

[MetalCargo999]

Darth Suetam wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't think you understand the implications of what it is you're asking.  They weren't expecting to do this, so much so that they've put off their other DLC to get straight to this one in response to the fans.  Since they can only come up with a good response once the team has written one that will satisfy and respond to as much of the fan feedback as possible, they can't make anything official.  Think of the prerelease promises that fueled the present fires.  They're playing smart, and the if you want to play the same game as them and win, so should you. 

Sir, again, we don't need explanations. Good as they may be, they can keep them for themselves. We want new endings. I'm not a dog who wants attention, and need "closure" and "to feel good again". And I'm not stupid that I need the endings explained. I understood the endings. They are just not good.

It's a strawman fallacy to say that they have ended our problems by explaining it. We never wanted explanations in the first place. We want new and good endings. Endings worthy of the journey we did with the characters.

Don't buy it. They said they won't change a thing, and won't give us new endings. They said they will "explain" and "add more feeling of closure" to the fans. That is NOT what we want!!!

It's speculative to assume that an explanation that they are going to provide that's formulated based off of fan feedback won't satisfy your yearnings.  Let their response come, then respond in an educated manner instead of speculating; the very thing we didn't want to have to do as a result of the ending.

[Computim]

Nharia1 wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

I pre-ordered Witcher since I am not going to buy any dlc from EA/BW.Missed out on the dark edition.Really a simple outline of what the Extended Cut will do would help some at this point.It's not like they'd leak the ending to the game and ruin it for people.

I'm wondering if my local GameStop still has an available copy of the Dark Edition... whcih for some reason I feel myself drawn to, even though I should really be saving money and not spending it... >.< Ugh why must such awesome games come out after I've spent all this money on something that, while its good(for the most part) I despise the ending...

I picked up #2 enhanced off Amazon earlier for the 360 - Was going to get Command & Conquer Generals 2 if PAX peace conference turned out different... instead we got a surprise attack on the eve of it... so now I'm getting Witcher 2 Enhanced edition instead.

[-PG-Skyre]

MetalCargo999 wrote...
I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

I dont think you read their release. They DID say what they are going to do. And it is the opposite to what we wanted.

They are extending on the current endings. Which means the flaws that were there, will still be there.
Starchild.
Destroying the relays.
Shepards death.
Why the Reaper didnt kill him with that blast.
Why our "friends" abandoned us and escaped.
Why Shepard broke character and gave in so easily.
So many others.

Extending the ending might fix some of those issues. But it is not possible to fix them all.
I mean, Starchild and Shepard breaking character are 2 of the massive flaws in the ending...but to keep the ending as is, they can't change those 2 aspects.

I may only be minoring in marketing and management, but I can smell a marketing ploy easily enough.

[MetalCargo999]

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

Only if they promise things they aren't going to deliver. I said I wanted honesty, not the PR bafflegab they gave us pre-release.

Maybe they'll honestly answer our questions when the time comes.  That time is not now, and won't be until they have a better idea of what they're doing.  Until then, if we don't treat ourselves with dignity and respect and act polite, we can't expect others to treat us well.

[TSC_1]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

It's speculative to assume that an explanation that they are going to provide that's formulated based off of fan feedback won't satisfy your yearnings.  Let their response come, then respond in an educated manner instead of speculating; the very thing we didn't want to have to do as a result of the ending.

No. Your assertion that things will be fine is also speculation. All we have is speculation, because Bioware refuses to tell us anything. And we've been burned by them, badly, in the recent past. So while we can't say for certain that things will go well or that they won't... it's prudent to think we may get burned again, until we're given evidence to the contrary.

Bioware needs to speak up if they don't want us to think we're going to get screwed. Again.

Modifié par TSC_1, 06 avril 2012 - 03:29 .

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

So basically rather than talk about the one semblance of goodwill they've squandered.. they're going to discuss the face import bug being 'fixed' in the patch they keep saying is 'coming', or the promised operation raptor packs they held back because someone was 'exploiting' them. 

...there's not a lot of good to talk about.. unless they want to go over the '75 perfect reviews' again hahaha.

Oh, do not worry. They will read all the "75 perfect reviews" to us. <_<

Honestly, someone needs to bring up EMS. They can't get away with this problem either. What at they going to claim? Artistic integrity too?