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[Darth Garrus]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

It's speculative to assume that an explanation that they are going to provide that's formulated based off of fan feedback won't satisfy your yearnings.  Let their response come, then respond in an educated manner instead of speculating; the very thing we didn't want to have to do as a result of the ending.

You are missing the point again. I don't yearn knowing what happened to Shep and the gang after what happened on that game. I don't care about it.

I don't need to be told that "after that great explosion...", since I don't like the explosion in the first place. You are buying their strawman version of what I wanted in the first place. I'm not. It's your right to buy it and like it. But don't ask me to participate.

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MetalCargo999 wrote...

Maybe they'll honestly answer our questions when the time comes.  That time is not now, and won't be until they have a better idea of what they're doing.  Until then, if we don't treat ourselves with dignity and respect and act polite, we can't expect others to treat us well.

That time is now if they want to keep us from walking away and never buying another of their games. We've waited a month and gotten nothing but vague promises and PR mumbo-jumbo for our trouble.

Modifié par TSC_1, 06 avril 2012 - 03:31 .

[Darth Garrus]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Maybe they'll honestly answer our questions when the time comes.  That time is not now, and won't be until they have a better idea of what they're doing.  Until then, if we don't treat ourselves with dignity and respect and act polite, we can't expect others to treat us well.

I don't have questions about their endings. I want new ones!!!  That's the case!

[MetalCargo999]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...
I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

I dont think you read their release. They DID say what they are going to do. And it is the opposite to what we wanted.

They are extending on the current endings. Which means the flaws that were there, will still be there.
Starchild.
Destroying the relays.
Shepards death.
Why the Reaper didnt kill him with that blast.
Why our "friends" abandoned us and escaped.
Why Shepard broke character and gave in so easily.
So many others.

Extending the ending might fix some of those issues. But it is not possible to fix them all.
I mean, Starchild and Shepard breaking character are 2 of the massive flaws in the ending...but to keep the ending as is, they can't change those 2 aspects.

I may only be minoring in marketing and management, but I can smell a marketing ploy easily enough.

Again, because you can't se a logical way out doesn't mean they don't.  And as for a marketing ploy, we definitely know from this release statement that it's free.  They are trying to win back trust for future profits, not make immediate profits.

[Computim]

MetalCargo999 wrote...
I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

They're pretty clear in that FAQ lol.  So much so that even I couldn't find anything ambiguous about it.  It's pretty much a "We're awesome, we're not changing it.  Hell yes we're proud" document.

[GoldBTM25]

TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

So basically rather than talk about the one semblance of goodwill they've squandered.. they're going to discuss the face import bug being 'fixed' in the patch they keep saying is 'coming', or the promised operation raptor packs they held back because someone was 'exploiting' them. 

...there's not a lot of good to talk about.. unless they want to go over the '75 perfect reviews' again hahaha.

Oh, do not worry. They will read all the "75 perfect reviews" to us. <_<

Honestly, someone needs to bring up EMS. They can't get away with this problem either. What at they going to claim? Artistic integrity too? 

Again, if it weren't for the endings, that would be my main focus of concern, andit's a pretty big one. All those months of "MP won't affect SP"... sigh

[Aviditie]

Like, are you really allowed to proclaim your own stuff is art? Is *any* book, movie, video game, painting, etc. art simply because it exists?

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

Computim wrote...

So basically rather than talk about the one semblance of goodwill they've squandered.. they're going to discuss the face import bug being 'fixed' in the patch they keep saying is 'coming', or the promised operation raptor packs they held back because someone was 'exploiting' them. 

...there's not a lot of good to talk about.. unless they want to go over the '75 perfect reviews' again hahaha.

Oh, do not worry. They will read all the "75 perfect reviews" to us. <_<

Honestly, someone needs to bring up EMS. They can't get away with this problem either. What at they going to claim? Artistic integrity too? 

I'm calling bull on that if they do, and I'm going to never buy anything of theirs ever again, despite how much I really want to do so, I shall have my gf stop me from doing so. *sighs* Why have they ruined the most epic series ever? Hmm... Maybe it would've been better if I had just stuck with playing Nintendo only, LoZ is looking so much more inviting than ever now...

[MetalCargo999]

TSC_1 wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Maybe they'll honestly answer our questions when the time comes.  That time is not now, and won't be until they have a better idea of what they're doing.  Until then, if we don't treat ourselves with dignity and respect and act polite, we can't expect others to treat us well.

That time is now if they want to keep us from walking away and never buying another of their games. We've waited a month and gotten nothing but vague promises and PR mumbo-jumbo for our trouble.

Unfortunatrly, that isn't possible, and neither is it true.  It isn't possible for them to explain the ending until they come up with a good explanation.  And fans, knowing that an explanation is eventually coming (for free) won't leave Bioware for good until the explanation does come.  A meaningless threat, otherwise, you wouldn't still be here voicing your complaint.

Modifié par MetalCargo999, 06 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[bluewolv1970]

I would suggest doing the following: trade your copy of ME3 in now while trade in value is higher...that has the built in effect of boycotting dlc, then in August when the extended cut comes out, if it gets good word of mouth and seems to address concerns, then repurchase a cheap used copy of ME3...

[Alamandorious]

You know, I'm actually starting to consider giving up video games in general (sticking with the one or two I can still enjoy and ignoring the rest), and devoting more of my time to my WH40K hobby.

At least there I truly do influence what happens to my army in the end.

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-PG-Skyre wrote...

Extending the ending might fix some of those issues. But it is not possible to fix them all.
I mean, Starchild and Shepard breaking character are 2 of the massive flaws in the ending...but to keep the ending as is, they can't change those 2 aspects.

Exactly right. Extending this won't make it any better. It'll be just as bad... only longer.

[Missy_MI]

Computim wrote...
The way I see it now, Someone is going to release a mod with far better endings than Bioware had. Those endings will end up becoming the 'standard' mod set that everyone who gets the game downloads.. much like the unofficial bug fix mod for Oblivion & Morrowind that ended up fixing the stuff Bethesda didn't get around to.

There was a thread earlier about this topic. It looks like the Unreal Engine is extremely difficult to mod, so this project might not see the light of day.

If the Extended Cut fails in its promise to deliver closure and clarification, then I think we'll have better luck getting a team together to try something. For now it looks like everyone is waiting to see what happens.

Modifié par Missy_MI, 06 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[Computim]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

I would suggest doing the following: trade your copy of ME3 in now while trade in value is higher...that has the built in effect of boycotting dlc, then in August when the extended cut comes out, if it gets good word of mouth and seems to address concerns, then repurchase a cheap used copy of ME3...

My local EB Games (Canadian Gamestop) won't take ME3 haha.  They've still got ones they're trying to dump that no one wants, the manager knows me fairly well and was joking the other day when I preordered the new Assassin's Creed game coming out, asked me if I wanted some Officially Licenced Mass Effect 3 Coasters (he was referring to the discs for the game)

[LethesDeep]

Nharia1 wrote...

True... but I won't have my Shepard cause she's on my 360... >.> I've been wondering for a while now, since the 360 has thumb drives, would it be possible to trnasfer saves from the 360 to the PC...
Actually now that I think about that, that doesn't seem like it'll work will it...

Get Gibbed ME Save Editor (I'd get 2 & 3 just to be safe). Turn a small flash drive into a Xbox memory unit. Move ME save onto flash drive. Open flash drive on the computer using USBXTAFGUI. Extract your .xbsav file to the comp. There, xbox save file on the PC. No idea how to convert it to a .pcsav file, which is what it would need to be to run it on the PC version of the game. Sure there is a tool out there for that though. You can find a tool for everything on the internet.

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MetalCargo999 wrote...

Unfortunatrly, that isn't possible, and neither is it true.  It isn't possible for them to explain the ending until they come up with a good explanation.  And fans, knowing that an explanation is eventually coming (for free) won't leave Bioware for good until the explanation does come.  A meaningless threat, otherwise, you wouldn't still be here voicing your complaint.

It is entirely possible for them to be honest with us rather than telling us we're not going to get what we want. Ever.

And I'm here because I'd like them to fix this. But unless they do, they've lost me as a customer... but that doesn't mean I can't post here. I'll never spend another cent on a Bioware game. That's already happened. They need to convince me to come back. That's what I've been saying, and what you've been ignoring.

Modifié par TSC_1, 06 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[TamiBx]

GoldBTM25 wrote...

Again, if it weren't for the endings, that would be my main focus of concern, andit's a pretty big one. All those months of "MP won't affect SP"... sigh

I have temporarily changed my focus. Since they won't reply to questions about the ending on PAX...I found the next big flaw. And I hate it just as much as I hate the ending <_<

[GoldBTM25]

Computim wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

I would suggest doing the following: trade your copy of ME3 in now while trade in value is higher...that has the built in effect of boycotting dlc, then in August when the extended cut comes out, if it gets good word of mouth and seems to address concerns, then repurchase a cheap used copy of ME3...

My local EB Games (Canadian Gamestop) won't take ME3 haha.  They've still got ones they're trying to dump that no one wants, the manager knows me fairly well and was joking the other day when I preordered the new Assassin's Creed game coming out, asked me if I wanted some Officially Licenced Mass Effect 3 Coasters (he was referring to the discs for the game)

Hehehe, that is awesome

[Darth Garrus]

TamiBx wrote...

GoldBTM25 wrote...

Again, if it weren't for the endings, that would be my main focus of concern, andit's a pretty big one. All those months of "MP won't affect SP"... sigh

I have temporarily changed my focus. Since they won't reply to questions about the ending on PAX...I found the next big flaw. And I hate it just as much as I hate the ending <_<

You must be talking about MP, am I right? The next dreadful thing.

[-PG-Skyre]

MetalCargo999 wrote...
Again, because you can't se a logical way out doesn't mean they don't.  And as for a marketing ploy, we definitely know from this release statement that it's free.  They are trying to win back trust for future profits, not make immediate profits.

Clearly marketing is not a strong point for you, sorry to sound condicending...but it is rather obvious.

Think about people not wanting to buy the game till some sort of answer is given. Those people have not been in the middle of all this and seen all that has happened. So when BioWare tells people they will expand on the ending and all will be well, even though the small dlc will be free, they can expect some rise in sales as people hear the news and, much like yourself, get hopeful again.

Think about it this way. A game gets bad reviews/people say bad things about it due to bugs in the game. Therefor people dont want to buy it unless the company releases a patch for it. The company makes a public release saying they will fix it, so then people go a buy the product and wait for the release, or by the product during the release of the patch. 
Same situation.

Marketing does not always imply immediate profit, as usually greater profit can be gained via long term investment. So yeah, this fits perfectly as a marketing ploy.

As for not seeing a logical way out...the logical thing to do to begin with is NOT promise* things you know you can't give. They have defied logic over and over again, for years. Which is something you don't seem to realise. Logic is not something they use.

*Yes, they knew they didn't have the 16 vastly different endings, or endings shaped by player choices, because they made statements like that up to a week before release.

[GoldBTM25]

TamiBx wrote...

GoldBTM25 wrote...

Again, if it weren't for the endings, that would be my main focus of concern, andit's a pretty big one. All those months of "MP won't affect SP"... sigh

I have temporarily changed my focus. Since they won't reply to questions about the ending on PAX...I found the next big flaw. And I hate it just as much as I hate the ending <_<

QFT. I do sincerely hope this gets brought up at PAX. Although I imagine it might be difficult with all that shouting, or hissing, or silent rage-starin

[MetalCargo999]

Computim wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...
I just said this in another conversation I'm having.  If they come out and say what they're doing, they'll get into the same mess as with the prerelease promises.  And I bet once they have a more clear outline of what they have in mind, they're going to tell us more.  They always have.

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

They're pretty clear in that FAQ lol.  So much so that even I couldn't find anything ambiguous about it.  It's pretty much a "We're awesome, we're not changing it.  Hell yes we're proud" document.

How clear is it, though?  Do they say why Joker left with the Normandy, and how the crew got on board?  Did they try to bring out the past themes of the game to try and justify Starchild in this release?  Did they justify the relay explosions, or how the synthesis ending works?

The only thing they are actually saying in this release statement is that they are going to try to respond to fans.  So let them, then it's our turn.

[RussianOrc]

Clarifying this ending is like trying to clarify obi-wan's death on episode IV.

[TamiBx]

Darth Suetam wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

GoldBTM25 wrote...

Again, if it weren't for the endings, that would be my main focus of concern, andit's a pretty big one. All those months of "MP won't affect SP"... sigh

I have temporarily changed my focus. Since they won't reply to questions about the ending on PAX...I found the next big flaw. And I hate it just as much as I hate the ending <_<

You must be talking about MP, am I right? The next dreadful thing.

Yes. MP. Another broken promise.

Here, this summarize my feelings today
http://24.media.tumb...rkssuo1_500.jpg

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MetalCargo999 wrote...

The only thing they are actually saying in this release statement is that they are going to try to respond to fans.  So let them, then it's our turn.

Wrong. What they are telling us is that they will be releasing DLC that does not contain what we want. We want new endings, not "clarification." They say there will be no new endings, only "clarification." Therefore, we know we are not going to get what we've been asking for this entire time.