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[morph4037]

TSC_1 wrote...
Formatting issue, sorry. Fixed it. 

No worries, and thank you. 

[Laterali]

I'm going to wait and see what they come up with. i can live with the ridiculous space kid if they can justify it's existence better than I made synthetics to kill organics before organics made synthetics to kill organics bull crap.

I'm even ok with Shepard blowing up, not thrilled but it happens. I'm not that ok with having to kill all synthetics, I kinda wonder why I spent all game talking to EDI changing her into as close to a real person as she could get and then kill her later...Seems just plain backwards...

But they have their work cut out for them.

they deviated from the logical storyline completely. Somehow blowing up the mass relays now doesn't destroy the whole star system, when before they did. How does the AI star baby combine organics and synthetics by blowing up the citadel with a green explosion? If all the tech is destroyed in the galaxy, wouldn't your huge fleet that you amassed be destroyed, killing the majority of the population of the galaxy anyways? And how did your teammates magically appear on the Normandy, and why did your entire crew abandon you, and the fight for Earth and flee?

I don't think they have the answers themselves, so to keep my business, they better get some good ideas.

I seriously would love to know who came up with the ending and listen to them try to explain it. I bet there would be a lot of "Uhhhs" and "Ummms" while he tried to come up with the answers.

[IxSITHxI]

Atrocity wrote...

IxSITHxI wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

I knew this was going to be Korpiklaani before I clicked the link.  Here's another toast to Finnish music and my friends who are actually fans of the band.

I love Folk Metal. I just wish Korpiklaani had more songs in English. That kinda goes for a lot of folk metal bands out there as well but hey it still sounds awesome even if i have no idea what theyre saying

Do you listen to Finntroll? They sing in Swedish, but since it's scream and growling kind of metal, no one can tell the difference anyhow  TROLLHAMMAREN!

Yea I LOVE the song Under Bergets Rot is amazing. The video is epic

[Fox544]

Mbednar wrote...

Give Bioware a chance to present the Epilogue at least.  Here's a prototype as to what you might expect.  Just pretend there are cinematics (Bioware said additional cinematics would be coming).

Although its Fan Made, its VERY well done and detailed.  It keeps the Star Child canon, but it does provide a LOT of closure.

Fan Made Epilogue Generator

Thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11005521/1

Website: shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

Give the creator some Feedback if ya can.  Some great work went into this.

For some reason I get the feeling BW will rip off the Epilogue Generator. Its actually quite good. It actually kinda made me feel better lol.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

RussianOrc wrote...

More lies for you guys.
http://www.computera...initive-ending/
This is a pre release statement adressing the ending...
My favorite line is "there's an interesting sequence after the end credits".

I just don't get it.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

SSV Auckland Reporting In *sigh*

SO what's happening now guys? what are we even doing now?

Holding The Line I guess....

[MetalCargo999]

Darth Suetam wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I haven't "bought into" anything since there isn't anything to buy into except for a promise for an explanation of the current ending.  If we have more information and find out that the explanation is objectively flawed (as the current one is) then we can present ACTUAL arguments against it instead of speculative ones that the press won't buy and will turn against us for.

A promise for a potential strawman or "faux olive branch" has been presented.  Since we don't have enough information to counter it we have to play smart, just like Bioware/EA is. 

Soooo, you won't just drop it, right? Not until everyone agrees with you?

You still don't get it? The explanation can't be good or bad, when no explanation is needed!!! The problem is what they think needs an explanation. So, if it doesn't need an explanation, no explanation can be good (or bad)!

So, if you give me an explanation that wasn't needed, you are arguing against something that wasn't on the table in the first place. So, yes. It is a strawman!!! 

I don't need to wait to hear an explanation. I don't need an explanation. So, it can be a good or a bad one. It doesn't matter.

Dangerously close to a tautology by explaining again, I'll say that the new content can be beautiful; great; emotionally nice; bring a better taste to the mouth; anything. It still won't matter, since it was not what I wanted. It's accepting less than what we wanted.

I won't drop it because I won't let you destroy what we're fighting for, even if I have to look like an idiot.  Also, I'm learning that looking like an idiot on the internet isn't as bad as it sounds either, so it sucks to be you guys!

I don't want people to lose everything they fought for.  Is that such a bad thing?  Be civil, be polite, and let's be smart about this.  I have brought evidence to my case that we're losing the press war, regardless of your opinions of me or what you want.  So what are you going to do about it?  Keep going the way you're going, or change?

It's your choice.  I've made mine, and I hope you do the right thing.  If I have to look like an idiot to make sure the Retake movement is at least aware of what they're doing and how they look in the public eye, then so be it.

[Mbednar]

Fox544 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

Give Bioware a chance to present the Epilogue at least.  Here's a prototype as to what you might expect.  Just pretend there are cinematics (Bioware said additional cinematics would be coming).

Although its Fan Made, its VERY well done and detailed.  It keeps the Star Child canon, but it does provide a LOT of closure.

Fan Made Epilogue Generator

Thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11005521/1

Website: shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

Give the creator some Feedback if ya can.  Some great work went into this.

For some reason I get the feeling BW will rip off the Epilogue Generator. Its actually quite good. It actually kinda made me feel better lol.

Yeah it kinda lets you accept the ending at face value for once.  You should see the ending where you romanced Tali but you died due to the Synthesis or Control Ending.  They were crying "Man Tears" in the thread.  Very well written.

[18 Brains]

The Epilogue Generator works just fine for me, and if Bioware's plan is to release something like this as their "Clarification DLC," then I might actually be okay with it.  It still involves the space, but there is enough catharsis and variabilities that I'm actually satisfied with it.

The plot holes are still there, of course, but Shannon Phillips (the author of the generator feed) does a really great job with it.

[Ihatebadgames]

Time for bed.Night all,be nice and POLITE to each other.Hold the line and remember the ones that fell.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

SSV Auckland Reporting In *sigh*

SO what's happening now guys? what are we even doing now?

Holding The Line I guess....

I'm debating on wether or not I should sell my ME3 copy, but I know I'll be selling three games tomorrow, and I won't be around for the PAX thing, since they won't be announcing anything worth listening to... Oh and I'm trying to decide if I should get Witcher2.... And I'm also trying to find something to motivate me into writing another chapter in under 2 hrs... >> Which I've done all of the other times...

[KLGChaos]

The problem with adding just clarity is that is assumes we don't get the ending-- that we don't understand what's going on. Which isn't true. The only things I can think of that need some clarification are why the Normandy crew was running away (with people who were on the ground and why they seemed so happy despite the fact that Shep is dead) and why blowing up the relays doesn't destroy every system in the galaxy and possibly how all those stranded races are going to survive without the relays.

Otherwise, we know what Bioware was trying to do. At first we thought about the Indoc Theory, but all sources currently point towards that being false (unless Bioware is purposely misleading everyone, which is definitely not the most ethical maneuver). Barring that Theory, it's obvious they were trying to show Shep's sacrifice and how despite all the tragedy, life will somehow manage to find a way now that it finally has some hope.

It still doesn't change the fact that we're railroaded into three flavors of death and that our choices mean jack in the end. There should be endings for everyone-- happy to sad-- depending on what they've done. The Shepard I played would have found another way. I wasn't even given that choice.

[Darth Garrus]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I won't drop it because I won't let you destroy what we're fighting for, even if I have to look like an idiot.  Also, I'm learning that looking like an idiot on the internet isn't as bad as it sounds either, so it sucks to be you guys!

I don't want people to lose everything they fought for.  Is that such a bad thing?  Be civil, be polite, and let's be smart about this.  I have brought evidence to my case that we're losing the press war, regardless of your opinions of me or what you want.  So what are you going to do about it?  Keep going the way you're going, or change?

It's your choice.  I've made mine, and I hope you do the right thing.  If I have to look like an idiot to make sure the Retake movement is at least aware of what they're doing and how they look in the public eye, then so be it.

You are not fighting for anything close what we fought for for weeks here, Sir. This is another example of a strawman, and you still have no idea about it.

We never wanted what you are preaching about. We never wanted "explanation", and we never wanted "clarification". Not "justification". So, don't tell me you fought for what we fought.

And you didn't bring any evidence. You brought only fear and accepting less than what we fought for all this time.

Since you are incapable of answering to any argument, and just repeat yourself over and over, I hope you at least don't do this on every page just for the sake of it.

Excuse us if we will keep fighting.

[Fox544]

Mbednar wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

Give Bioware a chance to present the Epilogue at least.  Here's a prototype as to what you might expect.  Just pretend there are cinematics (Bioware said additional cinematics would be coming).

Although its Fan Made, its VERY well done and detailed.  It keeps the Star Child canon, but it does provide a LOT of closure.

Fan Made Epilogue Generator

Thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11005521/1

Website: shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

Give the creator some Feedback if ya can.  Some great work went into this.

For some reason I get the feeling BW will rip off the Epilogue Generator. Its actually quite good. It actually kinda made me feel better lol.

Yeah it kinda lets you accept the ending at face value for once.  You should see the ending where you romanced Tali but you died due to the Synthesis or Control Ending.  They were crying "Man Tears" in the thread.  Very well written.

Nice. I got the Liara/Destroy ending so mine was almost all sunshine and rainbows lol. I figured Joker would die anyways since he requires constant medical attention. My only arguement is why is Edi and the geth destroyed? Isn't that debunked because Shepard survived?

Its much better than what BW produced but thats a plot hole thats always puzzled me. What made Shepard special?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

I'm debating on wether or not I should sell my ME3 copy, but I know I'll be selling three games tomorrow, and I won't be around for the PAX thing, since they won't be announcing anything worth listening to... Oh and I'm trying to decide if I should get Witcher2.... And I'm also trying to find something to motivate me into writing another chapter in under 2 hrs... >> Which I've done all of the other times...

Sell it if you like, it is entirely up to you. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my CE ME3...might see if the place I bought it from will take it back, though I kind of doubt it since it has been a month since release...I may be stuck with it. Doesn't really matter now anyway BioWare/EA already got my money, and ruined what I thought was going to be the best birthday present ever. My dad was actually saying he will get me something else for my birthday because "A birthday present shouldn't make you depressed".

As for getting the witcher 2, again that is entirely up to you....my dad has it pre-ordered and I watched a part one of a walkthrough for it and it looks pretty good.
I wish I could help with motivating you but I am still to depressed and annoyed to be of any use.

[MetalCargo999]

Darth Suetam wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I won't drop it because I won't let you destroy what we're fighting for, even if I have to look like an idiot.  Also, I'm learning that looking like an idiot on the internet isn't as bad as it sounds either, so it sucks to be you guys!

I don't want people to lose everything they fought for.  Is that such a bad thing?  Be civil, be polite, and let's be smart about this.  I have brought evidence to my case that we're losing the press war, regardless of your opinions of me or what you want.  So what are you going to do about it?  Keep going the way you're going, or change?

It's your choice.  I've made mine, and I hope you do the right thing.  If I have to look like an idiot to make sure the Retake movement is at least aware of what they're doing and how they look in the public eye, then so be it.

You are not fighting for anything close what we fought for for weeks here, Sir. This is another example of a strawman, and you still have no idea about it.

We never wanted what you are preaching about. We never wanted "explanation", and we never wanted "clarification". Not "justification". So, don't tell me you fought for what we fought.

And you didn't bring any evidence. You brought only fear and accepting less than what we fought for all this time.

Since you are incapable of answering to any argument, and just repeat yourself over and over, I hope you at least don't do this on every page just for the sake of it.

Excuse us if we will keep fighting.

http://www.forbes.co...-with-free-dlc/

Evidence ^^^

And don't think I'm not considering your opinions.  I for one am hesitant about the DLC, but still glad about the announcementm much like the author of the article.  I read the report on Forbes saying that the fan reaction is negative and that we are losing war assets.  I came here to try and convince some people and warn others.  And you spit at me in the process.  Sweet.  Whatever.  I have thick skin.  Although my tear ducts are getting a little worked up.

Oh yeah, and the Retake movement is slightly more diverse than I think you think it is.  Just some food for thought. 

[Mbednar]

Fox544 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

Give Bioware a chance to present the Epilogue at least.  Here's a prototype as to what you might expect.  Just pretend there are cinematics (Bioware said additional cinematics would be coming).

Although its Fan Made, its VERY well done and detailed.  It keeps the Star Child canon, but it does provide a LOT of closure.

Fan Made Epilogue Generator

Thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11005521/1

Website: shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

Give the creator some Feedback if ya can.  Some great work went into this.

For some reason I get the feeling BW will rip off the Epilogue Generator. Its actually quite good. It actually kinda made me feel better lol.

Yeah it kinda lets you accept the ending at face value for once.  You should see the ending where you romanced Tali but you died due to the Synthesis or Control Ending.  They were crying "Man Tears" in the thread.  Very well written.

Nice. I got the Liara/Destroy ending so mine was almost all sunshine and rainbows lol. I figured Joker would die anyways since he requires constant medical attention. My only arguement is why is Edi and the geth destroyed? Isn't that debunked because Shepard survived?

Its much better than what BW produced but thats a plot hole thats always puzzled me. What made Shepard special?

I think the Destroy Ending kills all Synthetic Life with AI.  At least thats what I got out of the ending.  Seeing as how EDI, the Geth, and the Reapers are the only KNOWN TRUE AI in the Galaxy; they were the only ones to die in the Destroy Ending.

Shepard is basically just a person with Advanced Prosthetics.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'm debating on wether or not I should sell my ME3 copy, but I know I'll be selling three games tomorrow, and I won't be around for the PAX thing, since they won't be announcing anything worth listening to... Oh and I'm trying to decide if I should get Witcher2.... And I'm also trying to find something to motivate me into writing another chapter in under 2 hrs... >> Which I've done all of the other times...

Sell it if you like, it is entirely up to you. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my CE ME3...might see if the place I bought it from will take it back, though I kind of doubt it since it has been a month since release...I may be stuck with it. Doesn't really matter now anyway BioWare/EA already got my money, and ruined what I thought was going to be the best birthday present ever. My dad was actually saying he will get me something else for my birthday because "A birthday present shouldn't make you depressed".

As for getting the witcher 2, again that is entirely up to you....my dad has it pre-ordered and I watched a part one of a walkthrough for it and it looks pretty good.
I wish I could help with motivating you but I am still to depressed and annoyed to be of any use.

*hugs* I hope you're feeling better than you were this morning... You honestly had me worried there...

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...
*hugs* I hope you're feeling better than you were this morning... You honestly had me worried there...

*hugs* Yeah I am feeling a bit better, you were right sleep did help...though I had a really weird dream.
You shouldn't worry about me, I will be fine as always....just takes time to get over this crap.

[CitizenSnips28]

B33ker wrote...

I've been tempted to go back and play some OLD rpg games to get my mind off this disaster when I came across this.......

http://www.grimrock.net/

Reminds me of the old Eye of the Beholder series that I loved so much, and the price is certainly right.

I may just give it a whirl to pass some time while EA/BW digs themselves in deeper and deeper.........

There's plenty of games like this to replace EA/BW so I'm not too worried if I never buy a product from them again. 

Hahaha oh crap I used to play Eye of the Beholder. You must be pretty old school. I think I Musta spent hours clicking that stupid reroll button trying to get that 18/00 strength. Such a nerd, even in my youth.

[Chewbacca99]

 Dunno if someone has posted this:
http://www.holdtheli...ours.57/page-17 

The inimitable aghunter commented on the latest word from EA / BW on the ending (scroll down the page):

"
First, even if you fix something, you’ll probably never admit it was broken. The extent to which EA will rework the ending is anyone’s guess, but even if they plan to craft new endings, they wouldn’t admit it. EA just doesn’t want to go on record admitting they are overhauling an inferior product (And to be fair most companies would be the same). Apparently Ms. Merizan tweeted a while ago that the enhanced endings will contain at least one possibility of being reunited with squad mates (something that seems to fly in the face of disjoined clips of you in a pile of rubble and your squad mates taking a header off world). But they’ll just claim that was their plan all along and not “new”.

Conversely, could the “expanded endings” be a placebo which allows EA to claim they listened and deliver no substantial content? Absolutely. Bottom line, however this turns out, the message we got today was probably as good as EA was probably ever willing to give regardless of what they ultimately deliver. "

Modifié par yjchew, 06 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[Chewbacca99]

 Also, response from Retake folks: 
http://www.holdtheli...ed-cut-dlc.563/

[Laterali]

The Witcher 2 is an awesome game. Though to be honest that game's ending is "meh" as well. But CD Projeckt is a great company, they listen to the fans, go back and fix problems, add dlc for free, hell, they gave the enhanced edition of the Witcher for free to current owners, and they're doing the same with Witcher 2.

And Witcher 2's decisions are pretty large, You have to play it multiple times to get all the different paths.

besides the graphics though, I actually prefered the first game.

Modifié par Laterali, 06 avril 2012 - 05:39 .

[Fox544]

Mbednar wrote...

I think the Destroy Ending kills all Synthetic Life with AI.  At least thats what I got out of the ending.  Seeing as how EDI, the Geth, and the Reapers are the only KNOWN TRUE AI in the Galaxy; they were the only ones to die in the Destroy Ending.

Shepard is basically just a person with Advanced Prosthetics.

True. I'm just going off what the Star Brat said when he told Shepard "Even you are part synthetic".

[CitizenSnips28]

Well played Bioware. So they offer some cinematic expansions to the same three endings that fundamentally cannot solve the problems (since said problems are intrinsic to the entire ending sequence and its premise), but they offer it for free so that anybody voicing dissatisfaction gets hit with the whiney label. The Retake movement then splits into two squabbling factions; those who feel Bioware will pull something awesome out and those who feel they're just polishing a turd. In the end, Bioware gets to do the absolute minimum to address massive fan dissatisfaction, least of all produce anything near what was promised even just a few weeks before launch.

Maybe they think they dodged a bullet but that would be missing a fundamental point of this whole debate. Truth is, the Retake movement is just as much for Bioware's sake as our own. The last thing Bioware wants is massive quiet customer loss. Retake was about giving Bioware a do over, so to speak. You don't see fans protesting crappy endings on games that are terrible from the start like say bad movie tie in games. The reason players collectively lost their minds over this was because we overall cared so much about the series and didn't want to give up on Bioware. To see the movement as an adversary to be fought is a mistake. They may have indeed "won" the fight with this clever dlc fake olive branch, but in the end they're going to leave alot of customers with a sour taste in their mouths.