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[Spartas Husky]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Here's a video which tries to clarify the endings:



It ignores the idea of space magic sooooo....you're welcome?

That is distasteful, insulting. And just horrible. Can't believe I enjoy it better than the normal endings though...

[CitizenSnips28]

Aviditie wrote...

Nharia, I meant. My iPad keeps changing everything. Write, and I can't do edits on it either. So if I mess up in my post - even if I don it'll mess up for me, not to mention dropping letters I type... Grr... Sorry for the mess that is my post and posts guys.

I have the exact same problem. I'm on my mobile and it fights me every step of the way. I feel your pain.

[Mastermadskills]

(with)HOLD THE WALLET!

If they won't listen to reason, they WILL listen to us vote with our wallets!

Bioware, you are a COMPANY and WE THE CONSUMERS are the ones who pay your bills!

Click the following link and make your wallet heard!:

http://social.biowar.../index/11036313

[Darth Garrus]

That's it for tonight, my friends.

Hold the line!!!

[CitizenSnips28]

You know what's most sad.... I never got to initiate my glorious coup and take over the movement. :/ Ah that realization just sucks. -deflates-

[Bionic Weapon]

 I hope this doesn't get lost in the postings but I just thought about something in regards to the whole clarifying thing.

Let's say they try to clarify how your two squad mates got back on the Normandy and Joker high tailed it out of there. The thing is there is no reason for that. Remember after the fall of Thessia and Joker was being Joker and Shepard snapped at him ( even as a paragon) Joker showed Shepard where his family was and  how the Reapers took it weeks ago and he still knew there was a very bad war going on inspite of his jokes.

He used humor becuase EDI pretty much said Shepard was stressed with the task before him and needed to take a breath from time to time, and that also Anderson told him that pretty much look after Shepard because of that task and the toll it would take. Anderson on Earth wanted to make sure Shepard was ok, and that's what Joker intended to do take care of him.


So no explanation could ever be given to clarify that. It would never happen... Ever. There's a leave no man behind achievement  in ME 2 for crying out loud, and yet a explanation as to why Sheaprd was left behind is needed?

Like it said it never would happen, and I honestly don't want to hear a why/ clarificationfor that one.

* takes a deep breath*

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 06 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[Auralius Carolus]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Here's a video which tries to clarify the endings:



It ignores the idea of space magic sooooo....you're welcome?

Wait a minute. I thought Tali opened a Chic-Fil-A??

[xcomcmdr]

SSV Aquitaine back online.

Will wait for news from PAX...

[Lestatman]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Good morning all, how is everyone feeling today?

Angry that a company has treated it's customers this way.  Releasing the news a day before PAX and then saying it can't be discussed at PAX shows that they do not care about their customers.  If it was any other company like your bank who used this underhanded tactics would you still want to be a customer of theirs.

There are other companies like Rockstar, Bethasda, CD Project who are not perfect but treat their own customers a whole lot better than Bioware.

I wish I could go to PAX for one last final push but it's obvious that they never will listen and by using this artistic integrity shows how selfish they are.

I left WOW 2 yrs and haven't looked back even tho it was hard leaving something that had been part of my life for so long but ppl there are other great games coming out this year Witcher 2 etc.  I will wait 1 more day and if nothing I'm not waiting till summer it's goodbye and take back all my Bioware games and move on to another developer who actually cares what their customers say.

[Phoenix NL]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

 I hope this doesn't get lost in the postings but I just thought about something in regards to the whole clarifying thing.

Let's say they try to clarify how your two squad mates got back on the Normandy and Joker high tailed it out of there. The thing is there is no reason for that. Remember after the fall of Thessia and Joker was being Joker and Shepard snapped at him ( even as a paragon) Joker showed Shepard where his family was and  how the Reapers took it weeks ago and he still knew there was a very bad war going on inspite of his jokes.

He used humor becuase EDI pretty much said Shepard was stressed with the task before him and needed to take a breath from time to time, and that also Anderson told him that pretty much look after Shepard because of that task and the toll it would take. Anderson on Earth wanted to make sure Shepard was ok, and that's what Joker intended to do take care of him.


So no explanation could ever be given to clarify that. It would never happen... Ever. There's a leave no man behind achievement  in ME 2 for crying out loud, and yet a explanation as to why Sheaprd was left behind is needed?

Like it said it never would happen, and I honestly don't want to hear a why/ clarificationfor that one.

* takes a deep breath*

I'm with you on this, it doesn't make sense.

[18 Brains]

IxSITHxI wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...
Ok... let's rewind for a second.  You say you want new endings?  So answer me why.

Ummm how bout because its not an ending at all and that its broken.

WATCH THE WHOLE DAMN THING

Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage.  Still one of the best videos that discusses the Mass Effect 3 ending out there, and I'm glad that it has upwards of 97,000 views now! 

Perhaps the Bioware writings team responsible for the ending (even if it is just Walters and Hudson) should watch it?  There is still time, after all (one can only hope)!

Holding the line.

Modifié par 18 Brains, 06 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[Phoenix NL]

Lestatman wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Good morning all, how is everyone feeling today?

Angry that a company has treated it's customers this way.  Releasing the news a day before PAX and then saying it can't be discussed at PAX shows that they do not care about their customers.  If it was any other company like your bank who used this underhanded tactics would you still want to be a customer of theirs.

There are other companies like Rockstar, Bethasda, CD Project who are not perfect but treat their own customers a whole lot better than Bioware.

I wish I could go to PAX for one last final push but it's obvious that they never will listen and by using this artistic integrity shows how selfish they are.

I left WOW 2 yrs and haven't looked back even tho it was hard leaving something that had been part of my life for so long but ppl there are other great games coming out this year Witcher 2 etc.  I will wait 1 more day and if nothing I'm not waiting till summer it's goodbye and take back all my Bioware games and move on to another developer who actually cares what their customers say.

*Hugs* it's mindboggling really.

I do understand why they released this news the day before PAX though. While we all wanted to have a discussion about this they didn't want it to dominate the entire panel and be able to announce their other plans as well. It's a difficult line for them because there are people who did like the endings so if they spent the panel simply addressing us and our concerns they're going to upset the other fans. I don't envy them their position. I would have loved to be there today to speak to them face to face but alas it was not to be.

I never got into WOW but I was a huge fan of Guild Wars and Guild Wars2 is supposed to be released later this year - with the bonus that there's no monthly subscription fee! But you're right, Witcher 2 it is. I already have it on PC but got distracted by other things without playing much of it. There's also AC3 at the end of the year, and I doubt they'll do a Bioware!

[Mastermadskills]

Mastermadskills wrote...

(with)HOLD THE WALLET!

If they won't listen to reason, they WILL listen to us vote with our wallets!

Bioware, you are a COMPANY and WE THE CONSUMERS are the ones who pay your bills!

Click the following link and make your wallet heard!:

http://social.biowar.../index/11036313

SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT!

EVERYONE HERE, SIGN UP!

[Auralius Carolus]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

 I hope this doesn't get lost in the postings but I just thought about something in regards to the whole clarifying thing.

Let's say they try to clarify how your two squad mates got back on the Normandy and Joker high tailed it out of there. The thing is there is no reason for that. Remember after the fall of Thessia and Joker was being Joker and Shepard snapped at him ( even as a paragon) Joker showed Shepard where his family was and  how the repears took it weeks ago and he still knew there was a very bad war going on.  He used humor becuase EDI pretty much said Sheaprd was stressed with the task before him and needed to take a breath from time to time, and that also Anderson told him that pretty much look after Sheaprd because of that task and the toll it would take. Anderson on Earth wanted to make sure Sheaprd was ok, and that's what Joker intended to do take care of him.


So no explanation could ever be given to clarify that. It would never happen... Ever. There's a leave no man behind achievement  in ME 2 for crying out loud, and yet a explanation as to why Sheaprd was left behind is needed?

Like it said it never would happen, and I honestly don't want to hear a why/ clarificationfor that one.

* takes a deep breath*

It's a lot more than that, as the Normandy would have been extremely pressed for time to get away from the Solar System with the crew you had on the ground. Taking into consideration the comm chatter you hear, Shepard wasn't out for more than a split second and they're already gone. Within the next 15 minutes or so, they have to find a shuttle or find just the right spot for the Normandy to hover, then clear the battle and enter the relay.

The odds of them escaping in that amount of time, (their shuttle is down and Harbinger is on the lookout), are phenominal.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

 I hope this doesn't get lost in the postings but I just thought about something in regards to the whole clarifying thing.

Let's say they try to clarify how your two squad mates got back on the Normandy and Joker high tailed it out of there. The thing is there is no reason for that. Remember after the fall of Thessia and Joker was being Joker and Shepard snapped at him ( even as a paragon) Joker showed Shepard where his family was and  how the Reapers took it weeks ago and he still knew there was a very bad war going on inspite of his jokes.

He used humor becuase EDI pretty much said Shepard was stressed with the task before him and needed to take a breath from time to time, and that also Anderson told him that pretty much look after Shepard because of that task and the toll it would take. Anderson on Earth wanted to make sure Shepard was ok, and that's what Joker intended to do take care of him.


So no explanation could ever be given to clarify that. It would never happen... Ever. There's a leave no man behind achievement  in ME 2 for crying out loud, and yet a explanation as to why Sheaprd was left behind is needed?

Like it said it never would happen, and I honestly don't want to hear a why/ clarificationfor that one.

* takes a deep breath*

I'm with you on this, it doesn't make sense.

Absolutely. Joker would NEVER leave Shepard behind, especially after Shepard literally gave his/her life to make sure Joker wasn't left behind. He would do anything to repay that favour.

Modifié par Little Miss Angel, 06 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[Ziajin]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

 I hope this doesn't get lost in the postings but I just thought about something in regards to the whole clarifying thing.

Let's say they try to clarify how your two squad mates got back on the Normandy and Joker high tailed it out of there. The thing is there is no reason for that. Remember after the fall of Thessia and Joker was being Joker and Shepard snapped at him ( even as a paragon) Joker showed Shepard where his family was and  how the Reapers took it weeks ago and he still knew there was a very bad war going on inspite of his jokes.

He used humor becuase EDI pretty much said Shepard was stressed with the task before him and needed to take a breath from time to time, and that also Anderson told him that pretty much look after Shepard because of that task and the toll it would take. Anderson on Earth wanted to make sure Shepard was ok, and that's what Joker intended to do take care of him.


So no explanation could ever be given to clarify that. It would never happen... Ever. There's a leave no man behind achievement  in ME 2 for crying out loud, and yet a explanation as to why Sheaprd was left behind is needed?

Like it said it never would happen, and I honestly don't want to hear a why/ clarificationfor that one.

* takes a deep breath*

I'm with you on this, it doesn't make sense.

Also agree.

We of the Retake Movement are mostly "cautiously optimistic" but remember. We are NOT done fighting. Even with this small step forward, it still has to be what we've ALL basically agreed on for what the endings should, and deserve to be. "Clarification" is nice and all, but it's only half of what we've asked for.

This isn't an exact attack on BW, and don't get me wrong, I love them (and like many of you, this has been a swift kick to the bum), but they say they've been "listening" to our ideas and theories. But, they make no mention of implimenting it, the majority of us agree on the Indoctrination Theory. That would mean, it goes BEYOND "Clarification" which is what they're giving us.

Albeit, they havn't given us all the details, but from what they've said so far, it looks like they're throwing together ten minutes (haha another one!) worth of ending cutscenes to clarify things, probably with a few choices (but I doubt it for some reason) and will call it "good".

Just remember, if it isn't what we've been asking for, fighting for, being unified for, the war isn't over yet.

So always, and continue to hold the line.

[RDSFirebane]

Alright done for the night Hold the Line see you all tomorrow for the PAX news

[CitizenSnips28]

While I'm personally moving on, I'm open to being won back by Bioware, but they need to do more than sweet talk me. I figure ill get the dlc and see if its better than it sounds. I won't be holding my breath though. We shall see. Its mostly just nice to hang out with fellow gamers who are feeling similar feelings. Well for the most part. I'm not wicked angry as some folks are. Mostly disappointed.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nilofeliu wrote...

You forgot to mention that they don't deserve your trust, your loyalty, your dedication, and a few other things. As someone posted a few pages back, the way Bioware is acting is the worst possible customer's service ever in the history of the game industry. As bad as SOE did with Star Wars Galaxies. They only see the bucks, not the people.

So let's not longer givem them our money. If they want to be treated with respect, let them start treating us the same way.

Yeah I only mentioned a couple I probably could have went on and on but I think my point was made lol.

It really is bad customer service isnt it? I mean I don't think a shop could get away with this, I used to work in A shop and I swear if we had treated customers like BioWare are treating us, we would probably get fired.

Also I agree, no more money for them from us. They definitely do not deserve our respect, they clearly do not respect us.

Phoenix NL wrote...

Good morning all, how is everyone feeling today?

Good morning! *hug* I am feeling a bit better, though  not awesome. I think I am getting more angry than depressed now which is much better for me.

How are you doing this morning?

[Aviditie]

You guys... This is so depressing. So many of you, Darth Suetham, TLC, and si many more say what I think. And it's like... This is so simple. So does Bioware jat need more explanation and clarity on this sirtuation? Is the press really unable to comprehend this?

And th answe to ne first, I think, is that the don't care. And I'm fed up with them. So what about the second? I *know* humans are smarter than this!

[CitizenSnips28]

Aviditie wrote...

You guys... This is so depressing. So many of you, Darth Suetham, TLC, and si many more say what I think. And it's like... This is so simple. So does Bioware jat need more explanation and clarity on this sirtuation? Is the press really unable to comprehend this?

And th answe to ne first, I think, is that the don't care. And I'm fed up with them. So what about the second? I *know* humans are smarter than this!

Sad truth is the press is generally quite lazy and often only scratch the surface in investigating or simply take what their colleagues say as fact. Most of the press I've seen on this has taken the stance that what BW is offering is a just compromise and that clarity is mostly what we wanted. To me it seems like a clever way for Bioware to appear to be addressing the issue while doing the absolute minimum. They offer it free so that any criticism will be met with the whiner label, and it pretty handily divides the Retake movement between those who believe we won and those who want more than clarity. Still I may be just wickedly cynical and this dlc may blow me away with incomprehensible awesomeness... but I'm not holding my breath.

[ld1449]

Ok. I've taken some time to mull over this Extended cut in my head for a while and so now that I've more or less gotten my thoughts analyzed and in order I think I can speak.

Firstly, should we be angry about this?:

Yes, we should, but only to a degree. Bioware and EA are caught between a rock and a hard place right now. The rock, being us, the hard place being their shareholders.

The last thing a shareholder want's to hear is that the company they've invested in has made a "mistake" so far to any shareholder that hasn't actively been following the news this is still just "some" fans that are ****ing about one thing or other, (which believe me is not all that hard to believe considering how most gamers **** about things) and everything is still more or less running smoothly for the company they've invested in.

Bioware coming out and admitting publicaly that "Yes these endings are messed up so we're fixing em" would make their as of yet, oblivious shareholders do a double take and take a closer look at the problem, opening their eyes, as it were, to the fact that not everything is running smoothly and thus they would pull back their shares (more than what some already have)

So Bioware just saying that there is an "Extended cut" is quite possibly a means of taking the proverbial middle ground to give the fans a bone to chew on, and assure their shareholders that this is just something 'minor'

Could I be wrong and this is, as some have suggested a faux olive branch to shut us up? Absolutely. Which is why I say stay angry within reason.

Solution? Keep hammering them, over and over and over again beat the dead dog with a stick until you're blue in the face. I am personally PMing every moderator on this site and will continue to do so every other day until they give me a response. You're all invited to join me. and don't just PM the normal people like Chris and Jessica, PM all of them, even the ones you hardly ever hear from. The weight of numbers is the only thing really on our side, so use those numbers, and flood their private message boxes with questions and demands for "clarifications" on this extended cut.

Now, about PAX

Pax, for better or for worse, in my eyes is the last place that a real *push* can be made by the retake movement to get publicity on the fact that this "extended cut" isn't what we have been asking for. But this must be handled carefully. To anyone here who knows someone that is going to Pax, it might be short notice but call these people, or message them. They must be articulate, and eloquent. People see Gamer's as a bunch of idiots with little better to do than obsess over games in their basement. Therefore the people that go off to PAX must be able to express to both Bioware and anyone else there.

The easiest way I can think of doing this is for the PAX people to pose their dissatisfaction as QUESTIONS to Bioware.

It sounds alot less "whiny" for you to say this:

"To alot of your fans this extended cut is not what they've petitioned you for. They've been asking for entirely new, alternative endings. Do you think extending the current ones will be enough to satisfy these fans?"

Than for you to say this:

"This isn't what we asked you for Bioware!"

Pose the dissatisfaction as a curious/courteous question and then you'll be putting the ball in Bioware's court. Then THEY are the ones that need to check their answers to look good.

They're gonna be sitting in those chairs for an hour. In an Hour, ALOT of angry gamers can ask a ton of questions that eventually "We're not discussing that here" just won't be enough because then anyone at Pax who sees this, will get a public viewing of how bad the situation is. They will have to discuss something to at least diffuse the situation enough for things to "blow over"

And that of course is when you keep hammering them with MORE questions. They moment they give an inch you take a yard.

As calmly and civily as possible of course. Remember, WE are the ones that want to be seen as the GOOD GUYS

Thirdly

Should we hold off hope that this DLC will work a miracle?

Personally I truly do not know at this point. Bioware could very well be hard at work to fix their mistake and just not telling anyone about it for the aforementioned reasons above, just as easily as they could be just doing this to pull themselves (at least partially) out of the fire to just tell us "here, now shut up." Its all up in the air at the moment.

So, my recommendation?

Keep fighting. Keep hurting them as much as you can. With the TOR subscriptions, with pre-order sales, with mass effect 3 returns to gamestop, with bad reviews, comments and other such statements on multiple media sites. MAKE YOURSELVES HEARD. It is ultimately our one true weapon here. Hurt their bottom line, so that even if Mass Effect 3 dies a death that it did not deserve other gaming companies will get a clear message in the future that while we are Gamers that love games we are not mindless idiots that will just endlessly throw our money at their feet when they release garbage to meet the end of their fiscal year on a "high note" That this **** will not be tolerated so blatantly anymore.

If Mass Effect has to be the sacrifice to get that message across So be it I say.

Make yourselves heard.

Ld1449 still here and still holding

[CitizenSnips28]

Aviditie wrote...

You guys... This is so depressing. So many of you, Darth Suetham, TLC, and si many more say what I think. And it's like... This is so simple. So does Bioware jat need more explanation and clarity on this sirtuation? Is the press really unable to comprehend this?

And th answe to ne first, I think, is that the don't care. And I'm fed up with them. So what about the second? I *know* humans are smarter than this!

Also -offers hug- I know were all pretty down but hey, least we can use each other as a support group.

[Goikiu]

@ld1449

You're right, we need to stay together and fight a little more, the line isn't dead yet.

@all

As many other have already said, we need to stay together soldier, we can have lost the battle, but we can try to win others battle or the war itself. The game magazine are... (a lot of em) not even reading this thread, or really reading what EA/BW said, they are taking their words for gold, well, first or later they will see that their actions have make bad business for them. Like me who will never ever again see some articles to ign or similar site.

We have a war to win soldier, in a war you can lose some battle, some man, but if you need to hold the line and fight off a little more.... i will only quote Kirrahe "We've won but first we've hold the line.", so back in ranks, stay civil and polit, plot a lot more and stay strong.

Goikiu from Italian Fleet reporting out.

[CitizenSnips28]

Id1449 yeah I've been mulling over the same thought regarding Bioware being stuck between fans and shareholders. It makes sense for them to drag their feet and try to minimalize the ending discontent from a shareholder pleasing stance. We shall see in the months or even years ahead I suppose. Will be interesting to find out what's going on behind closed doors on their side.