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[VivaLaWhatsername]

Major Swift wrote...

i know thats most likely sarcasm but to quote Sam from LoTR the two towers
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really
mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you
didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How
could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened?
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness
must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine
out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant
something, even if you were too small to understand why."
Bioware should have listened to Sam

Sam is so right. As are you Major, BW should have paid attention to Sam Wise 

[Fallenfromthesky]

Major Swift wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

But haven't you heard happy endings aren't edgy enough

i know thats most likely sarcasm but to quote Sam from LoTR the two towers
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really
mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you
didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How
could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened?
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness
must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine
out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant
something, even if you were too small to understand why."
Bioware should have listened to Sam

Exactly. I've read the LoTR 5 time now and it is a perfect lesson in how to end a trilogy. You think its going to end after Frodo casts the ring into the fires of mount doom then I carries on for another 100+ pages and then to cap it all there is still speculation with what happend to supporting and other major character I.E. Legolas and Gimli, aragorn and the rest of the fellowship

[Mr Chr15topher]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

But haven't you heard happy endings aren't edgy enough

i know thats most likely sarcasm but to quote Sam from LoTR the two towers
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really
mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you
didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How
could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened?
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness
must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine
out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant
something, even if you were too small to understand why."
Bioware should have listened to Sam

Exactly. I've read the LoTR 5 time now and it is a perfect lesson in how to end a trilogy. You think its going to end after Frodo casts the ring into the fires of mount doom then I carries on for another 100+ pages and then to cap it all there is still speculation with what happend to supporting and other major character I.E. Legolas and Gimli, aragorn and the rest of the fellowship

I would just like to point out here that legolas, gimli etc the rest of their stories after LOTR are told in another book by Tolkien called the silmarillion or something like that.

[Iucounou]

Good day all. Just heard the "news".

Well, I am disappointed, of course. It seems like I gave Bioware too much credit after all. No new, additional endings, just 'clarification' and 'closure' about the existing one.

I suppose the additional content can only make the ending better. I shall watch with interest because I find it difficult to see how they can clarify something like Shep dying on the citadel and waking up on Earth without even more space magic goodness.

Unless they do away with the existing cut-scenes after you make your choice and redo everything from then on, I don't see how they can reconcile it all.

We'll see, I guess.

Am I angry with Bioware still? No. I'm just terribly disappointed in them. They don't seem to realise they've let the franchise down. It deserved better.

For the future, I plan on not buying anything related to Bioware or EA. No games, no DLC, nothing. Nor will I go and change my Amazon review of the game. I'll revise that plan once I see what they've done with the "clarification" DLC, but I'm not hopeful it'll change. As of this moment, Bioware and EA are dead to me.

They've banged on about "artistic integrity" a lot (and still are doing so). Funny thing about that. The world is full of "artists" who stick to their "integrity". They tend to be the ones who wear torn clothes, not so much as a statement, but simply because they can't afford to replace them. Artistic Integrity doesn't buy you new clothes, commercial success does that. It will be very interesting to watch what happens to them as a company from here on out.

There is a plus side to all of this, however, and it is one we should all take to heart and remember.

There is strength in numbers.

We got Bioware to pay attention. We got them to bend. Whilst the end result is not what we would have liked, it is important to remember that.

I suggest the rest of you vote with your wallets now and ignore Bioware as a gaming company. Get your gaming fixes elsewhere. We can talk all we like now but it won't make any further difference now that they have a plan in place. As the saying goes:

Money talks and bull**** walks.

Lack of sales of future products will make them take notice. Nothing else will at this point. It's a long game now, if you want to play it.

The choice (unlike ME3's ending) is yours.

[GroverA125]

Major Swift wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Guess the reference time with grover! *Sarcastically* ... Hooray...

"'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This franchise is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'E rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'E'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'E's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-FRANCHISE!!"

Ding! Bonus points for the good name, but you lost some for not getting it from the actual Monty Python Youtube User.

[g_bassi13]

wicked_being wrote...

Do you think they'll take fan feedback for the extended cut?

Lol no

[wicked_being]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

But haven't you heard happy endings aren't edgy enough

i know thats most likely sarcasm but to quote Sam from LoTR the two towers
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really
mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you
didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How
could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened?
But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness
must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine
out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant
something, even if you were too small to understand why."
Bioware should have listened to Sam

Exactly. I've read the LoTR 5 time now and it is a perfect lesson in how to end a trilogy. You think its going to end after Frodo casts the ring into the fires of mount doom then I carries on for another 100+ pages and then to cap it all there is still speculation with what happend to supporting and other major character I.E. Legolas and Gimli, aragorn and the rest of the fellowship

And just like Brent Knowles said: "if you're going to do a trilogy, you can make the second one bleak but make sure you end on a high note." I'd listen to the man, he was part of/ made great video games. He left and DA went to *excrement*.

Well I've calmed down since the initial announcement. I'm still disappointed but not raging anymore. I'm actually a little hopeful that EC won't suck.

[Fallenfromthesky]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

I would just like to point out here that legolas, gimli etc the rest of their stories after LOTR are told in another book by Tolkien called the silmarillion or something like that.

you are correct but the books were called Historys of Middle Earth written by tolkiens son from notes left by his farther.

The Silmarillion details the first age of Middle Earth and the war to recover the Silmarils form the original Dark Lord Morgoth.

But back to my original point before the publication of HoME surley people would have speculated what happend to the other charcters after frodo left

Lord of The Rings nerd mode off 

[VyseN1]

chmarr wrote...

ok be honest here

1)- do you think bioware listened to us at all?

2)- do you think this cinimatic DLC is crap?

3)- do you think bioware is actually working on the real ending with more missions?

1.) Nope. Either they have been completely assimilated by EA, or their arrogance has grown to Lucas heights due to their prior successes. They are still hiding behind this "artistic intention" BS for goodness sake. They are still putting us down.

2.) Since it is just an extension of the current terrible endings, then yes. My guess is that the cinematics are going to open up a lot more plot holes.

3.) Nope.

[nitefyre410]

I have come to the conclusion the Bioware simply no clue what they are doing and the signs where back after ME 2. They did not expect people to go through the game and come back with all 12 crewmates alive. Also I have never heard of a writer leaving mid-trilogy. Comics writers change after runs, but I have never heard of switch lead writers mid run. That would be like Peter Jackson handing the ball to Uwe Bowl after the Two Towers...

[Mr Chr15topher]

nitefyre410 wrote...

I have come to the conclusion the Bioware simply no clue what they are doing and the signs where back after ME 2. They did not expect people to go through the game and come back with all 12 crewmates alive. Also I have never heard of a writer leaving mid-trilogy. Comics writers change after runs, but I have never heard of switch lead writers mid run. That would be like Peter Jackson handing the ball to Uwe Bowl after the Two Towers...

Officially he left to help with the story for SWTOR. A lot of people believe he saw what was coming and got out before everything fell apart. Smart guy.

[g_bassi13]

VyseN1 wrote...

2.) Since it is just an extension of the current terrible endings, then yes. My guess is that the cinematics are going to open up a lot more plot holes.

I don't think it will open more plot holes, but I also believe that the plot holes they have now only exist because they never thought about the implications of what they were doing in the first place. They'll delve into some fan explanations desperately trying to make sense of the actions in the endings and "borrow" them.

I highly doubt they had these explanations ready.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 06 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[Gtacatalina]

Iucounou wrote...


Am I angry with Bioware still? No. I'm just terribly disappointed in them. They don't seem to realise they've let the franchise down. It deserved better.

.

This is exactly how I feel.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Officially he left to help with the story for SWTOR. A lot of people believe he saw what was coming and got out before everything fell apart. Smart guy.

He should have stayed and fought for HIS story....but I don't know what it's like in buisness

[Feraiin]

"So you're going to just give up and doom the entire galaxy?"

"We may be out of the game for now. But I'll find a way back in."

You know, this whole ending thing feels a lot like dealing with the Citadel council. Like beating your head against a wall.

I really hope they did take all the feedback into account like the PR always says. After all, they did a lot of good work until now. Hate to see BW lost to the moloch of crappy once-a-year installment studios under the EA moloch.

[Mr Chr15topher]

xHezz90 wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Officially he left to help with the story for SWTOR. A lot of people believe he saw what was coming and got out before everything fell apart. Smart guy.

He should have stayed and fought for HIS story....but I don't know what it's like in buisness

I think we all wish that, but he probably got lucky and avoided getting rEAped. Hopefully he can give his genius to another game series not owned by EA and stick with it to the end.

[g_bassi13]

g_bassi13 wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

2.) Since it is just an extension of the current terrible endings, then yes. My guess is that the cinematics are going to open up a lot more plot holes.

I don't think it will open more plot holes, but I also believe that the plot holes they have now only exist because they never thought about the implications of what they were doing in the first place. They'll delve into some fan explanations desperately trying to make sense of the actions in the endings and "borrow" them.

I highly doubt they had these explanations ready.

I'm quoting myself here, but I also wanted to mention that to explain away these things, the game is going to have to break the rules of its own lore.

[-PG-Skyre]

I would ask if anything was new...but heh, its BioWare, who am I kidding?
Whats going on guys'n'gals?

[Cyren]

chmarr wrote...

ok be honest here

1)- do you think bioware listened to us at all?

2)- do you think this cinimatic DLC is crap?

3)- do you think bioware is actually working on the real ending with more missions?

1) I think they listened to us, up to the point we said we wanted a change. After that, it all fell on deaf ears.

2) Is that even a question anymore? Ofcourse it's crap, it's not what we asked for.

3) It's a possibility... though I wouldn't count on it.

[Rdubs]

Guys they clearly don't get what's wrong with the ending. And there is only one way to, as Anderson would say, "Make them listen!". Simply DO NOT BUY ANY DLC. I know we know this, but it doesn't do any good to complain about them if you then turn around and give them money. They judge success or failure based off how their actual sales fared against their projections. And if you help them meet those projections, they have no incentive to change anything because nothing is wrong.

Simply don't buy ANY dlc - Omega, multiplayer, whatever. Just watch it on YouTube. You won't have to never play it, you just have to wait until they miss their sales projections enough to admit they need to fix a more major problem first.

Modifié par Rdubs, 06 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

g_bassi13 wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

2.) Since it is just an extension of the current terrible endings, then yes. My guess is that the cinematics are going to open up a lot more plot holes.

I don't think it will open more plot holes, but I also believe that the plot holes they have now only exist because they never thought about the implications of what they were doing in the first place. They'll delve into some fan explanations desperately trying to make sense of the actions in the endings and "borrow" them.

I highly doubt they had these explanations ready.

I'm quoting myself here, but I also wanted to mention that to explain away these things, the game is going to have to break the rules of its own lore.

I think that explanation was what dug them into this hole in the first place. They tried too hard to explain the Reaper's motivations and it just didn't work. The Reapers were supposed to be unknowable. They came bacck every 50,000 years to cleanse the galaxy.

We didn't need to know why. They were ancient machines, their motives should have been left secret. Just let us kill them and have our choices impact the battle (e.g saved the rachni= rachni ships helping to blow up the Reapers). We didn't need any of this starchild explanation to finish the game with everything tied up.

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

in the Q/A for the extended cut they flat out said they won't add more ending(s) doesn't that pretty much kill any hope for a fix? Also is BW doing a Pax talk about ME3? if so when is it and will it be live streamed?

[chmarr]

how do we set a poll up lol

[VonVerrikan]

Oh Bioware, you really let down Mass Effect. It deserved better than you.

[chmarr]

what gets me is that in ME1 and ME2 there was a lot of dark energy plots going and yet its even mentioned by tali in ME3 that the crucible is a dark energy reactor.

i feel we are going to be getting some dlc that centers round dark energy which will tie in with the main plot as will the other single player dlc, i think once all the sigle player dlc is released we will get the endings we wanted