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[Cybermortis]

Major Swift wrote...

Was just thinking, why couldn't there have been a fourth option, deus ex: HR had a fourth button to press

Option four is there, it was artfully hidden in the same place they put the 'awesome' button from DA2.

It's marked 'uninstall game'.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

Hey guys I'm back from the dead~! (I sleep like the dead though so maybe that's why I'm a "zombie" half the time....)

*hugs* Welcome Back! 

[Atrocity]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I'm wondering, in this thread, how many people are optimistic about the extended endings (even cautiously so)?
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I'm pessimistically optimistic, since the only other option would be full rage mode, and I don't have the energy to go through with it right now.

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Hey guys I'm back from the dead~! (I sleep like the dead though so maybe that's why I'm a "zombie" half the time....)

*hugs* Welcome Back! 

Thanks, I'm playing FO3 Point Lookout right now... Damn these Swampmen are tough to kill...

[-PG-Skyre]

Major Swift wrote...

Was just thinking, why couldn't there have been a fourth option, deus ex: HR had a fourth button to press

The choices for HR were pretty much as follows-

1) Hide the truth, let augmentation go as it pleases.
2) Let the complete truth out, could turn the world against technology.
3) Control the release of the info, leading to more restrictions on augs, but that was it.
4) Destroy the complexe and all data concerning the incident and let humanity make its own fate.

In terms of ME3, we have-
1) Shepard dies, crew stranded, galaxy is screwed. RED explosion.
2) Shepard dies, crew stranded, galaxy is screwed. BLUE explosion.
3) Shepard dies, crew stranded, galaxy is screwed. GREEN explosion.
4) Due the humane thing and let the Reapers kill everyone. Lets be honest, it is the more humane option.

Hate to say it...but ME3 bear HR in terms of crappy endings. When Deus Ex HR (a linier story) has better/more ending choices than ME3 (a non-linier story), you know there is a huge problem with your ending.

[evisneffo]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I'm wondering, in this thread, how many people are optimistic about the extended endings (even cautiously so)?

I'm neither really optimistic nor pessimistic. Just ... curious, for want of a better word.

[Ihatebadgames]

On line and tired.Got to plant some strawberries this day.Sent some to my Aunts and Uncles.Xbox live is pushing playing ME3 with The person that does Tallis(Falicia Day?)from PAX.

[Kilshrek]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I'm wondering, in this thread, how many people are optimistic about the extended endings (even cautiously so)?

I don't always participate in this thread, but when I do I say I'm not remotely optimistic about "clarified" endings.

It bears repeating, a polished turd remains a turd.

[chmarr]

spaaaaaaaaaaaaace magic

[mulder1199]

Atrocity wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

I'm wondering, in this thread, how many people are optimistic about the extended endings (even cautiously so)?
.

I'm pessimistically optimistic, since the only other option would be full rage mode, and I don't have the energy to go through with it right now.

i'll take their free addition, see if i'm satisfied, if i am, i'd consider getting some other dlc if it was on sale, but i doubt it....

most likely, bw, you've lost a customer(s).....

you aren't adressing the PROBLEM!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

Thanks, I'm playing FO3 Point Lookout right now... Damn these Swampmen are tough to kill...

Lol pretend they are BW employee's and they should be easy to kil due to your sheer rage 

[chmarr]

ever get the feeling bioware and EA did a capcom with the endings and are denying it

[Alamandorious]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I'm wondering, in this thread, how many people are optimistic about the extended endings (even cautiously so)?

Is there anything to indicate that this will be anything beyond some cinematics and text screens? Nowhere did they make a single indication of gameplay or even basic interaction additions.

It's because of the fact that even at this point they can't give us a straight answer that I remain doubtful. They spent a lot of PR time in the last month deflecting questions of "alternate endings" DLC with, "I can't say, but we're listening to you feedback, and I think you're going to like it :)". And this BS is what we got

And now if you were to ask a question today about what this DLC offers outside an epilogue, the answer again is "I can't say, but be certain we took in all the fan feedback to make it. Give it a chance, I think you might like it :)" ..... ... This is why I have little to no hope regarding this. If they at any point come out and straight forwardly mention that the game doesn't end at the choice of a primary colour, then I'll be excited... But they won't do it. Because they're not planning to.

For me, it all depends on how it comes out.  That's why I wish they'd tell us exactly what they were adding...I could make a decision about it now rather than later.

[Fenderbaum]

Pres button = Awesome Major Swift? hehe

[evisneffo]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Got to plant some strawberries this day.Sent some to my Aunts and Uncles.

Haha, that's cute. Welcome back to the thread.


Thanks for the smile, it's getting tougher to enjoy spending time here (on the forum I mean, not this thread! this thread is always awesome). The idiots of the forum on all sides are really coming out of the woodwork.

Modifié par evisneffo, 06 avril 2012 - 02:17 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

chmarr wrote...

ever get the feeling bioware and EA did a capcom with the endings and are denying it

"a capcom"? what did capcom do?
*sorry for the off topic question*

[-PG-Skyre]

Night guys. Hopefully something good comes out during PAX. Or there shall be hell to pay.

Proud of you guys.
Keep holding that line.

PS. I think we need to recruit some reserves xD

[LadyMarisa]

xHezz90 wrote...

Lol pretend they are BW employee's and they should be easy to kil due to your sheer rage 

I have a hard time raging against BW honestly Perhaps it's just my wearing rose colored glasses whilst sitting on a fluffy cloud, but before EA had ahold of them, I was brand loyal to the point of obsession. My dream job was to write story for games, employed by BW. Mostly I'm just sad for BW. I'm not claiming BW is lillies and EA is the only **** butI do truly believe if BW didn't have EA hanging over them, they would do a lot better with their games, like they used to.

Unfortunately for BW, cutting ties with EA means cutting ties with BW but I would give them another chance at my money if they ever managed to break away from EA. I still have many fond memories of BW.

[toffeetrooper]

@hezz *Commander Shepard: Psht. Tell that to Joker and EDI. Those two are probably boning as we speak. ...Heh. "Boning". Get it? It's because his bones are, oh right, you don't know him.*

pmsl awsome

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Thanks, I'm playing FO3 Point Lookout right now... Damn these Swampmen are tough to kill...

Lol pretend they are BW employee's and they should be easy to kil due to your sheer rage 

Mm.... *glances at the nearest Swampfolk, is sneaking, shoots him in the back of the head*
Edit: This would all be so much easier if I could have my little army of followers with me.. Fawkes, Star Paladin Cross, and Dogmeat.

Modifié par Nharia1, 06 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Night guys. Hopefully something good comes out during PAX. Or there shall be hell to pay.

Proud of you guys.
Keep holding that line.

PS. I think we need to recruit some reserves xD

They need to get to level 20 first before we can promote them<_<

[Iucounou]

I suspect the truth of this debacle will not be known until a Bioware employee (probably an ex-employee by then) comes forward and explains it all to us.

To me, everything to do with this fiasco strikes of incompetence and corporate mismanagement. I know I'm cynical, but here's my (admittedly very conspiracy-theorish) take on it all:

Bioware released the game without the endings, putting the starkid in as a dream sequence ending. They imagined it would satisfy most people.

People rose up in anger over it all. The outcry was unexpected. Bioware's plan to release the endings as a paid for DLC went out the window because it would make them look like they were gouging the fanbase. Much head scratching at BW/EA.

A plan arose to make themselves look good by offering a sort of ending clarification for free. Continued outcry would only make the fans look like whining kids. Bioware wins publicity stakes for "listening" to fanbase.

Later....much later, maybe as much as a year or eighteen months, they might release the "alternative ending" DLC (paid for of course) and claim they have been working on it ever since the trouble kicked off. Bioware's "listening" reputation goes golden and all is right with the world once more. Lol.

Of course, I may just be in denial. Truth is, the only thing I'm denying right now is more of my money heading Bioware's way.

[myrmedon419]

Can you imagine if Michelangelo has painted a giant middle finger and the words in latin that roughly translated to "when you die you have three choices of colored lights to see before you go to hell" on the roof of the Sistine chapel?

Now I'm sure the pope and the church who commissioned the work would be rightfully ticked off. Having paid for a decent finish to the job, I'm certain he would have been ordered to complete the work he promised. I doubt his holding on to "artistic integrity" would have sufficed. The painting would have been changed, and not clarified either. An angel or two or some saint painted in a corner or beside the middle finger would not have satisfied his client either.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

toffeetrooper wrote...

@hezz *Commander Shepard: Psht. Tell that to Joker and EDI. Those two are probably boning as we speak. ...Heh. "Boning". Get it? It's because his bones are, oh right, you don't know him.*

pmsl awsome

Huh? 

Nharia1 wrote...

Mm.... *glances at the nearest Swampfolk, is sneaking, shoots him in the back of the head*

Teehee my dad imagines that when he is playing Assassin's Creed 

[AllegedVixEo]

Iucounou wrote...


Am I angry with Bioware still? No. I'm just terribly disappointed in them. They don't seem to realise they've let the franchise down. It deserved better.

For the future, I plan on not buying anything related to Bioware or EA. No games, no DLC, nothing. Nor will I go and change my Amazon review of the game. I'll revise that plan once I see what they've done with the "clarification" DLC, but I'm not hopeful it'll change. As of this moment, Bioware and EA are dead to me.

They've banged on about "artistic integrity" a lot (and still are doing so). Funny thing about that. The world is full of "artists" who stick to their "integrity". They tend to be the ones who wear torn clothes, not so much as a statement, but simply because they can't afford to replace them. Artistic Integrity doesn't buy you new clothes, commercial success does that. It will be very interesting to watch what happens to them as a company from here on out.

I've been fairly silent on the topic of "artistic integrity" but I would like to point out some major flaws in the argument of many fans with regards to Bioware and their ability to withold the concept of artistic integrity.  

So here's the logic I keep hearing (not just in the above quoted text, but all over the forums):

Argument 1: Bioware was better before EA bought them out.  EA's capital investment has caused the creators to "sell out".

Argument 2: Large entities who make sizable profit and/or make commercial goods for profit cannot consider their proprietary creative output as art and therefore cannot claim artistic integrity.

I am going to start with Argument 2: 
Large entities who make sizable profit and/or make commercial goods for profit cannot consider their proprietary creative output as art and therefore cannot claim artistic integrity. , which is easily the best place to begin this wall of text because it is absolutely a false argument.  Artists don't come in one box.  There are many types of artists, and as we move toward an age of unfathomable advances in technology we are going to see more and more artists going to work for large companies.  As an artist, and someone who worked for a large tech company for 3 years, I can tell you that I know more digital artists then I do conventional artists, and the goal of almost all of them is to eventually work for a company like Bioware or EA.  While they have to conform to the beauracracy of working for a large organization, they are hired for their ability to be creative and to put out high quality art.

More importantly, when we demand that companies that rely on the creativitiy of their developers conform to the whims of the audience, we are asking them to forfeit the very thing that makes them different from a company like McDonald's, or Target.  Those are just examples (albeit totally different industries), but I am talking about companies that run on a model conformity and consistency for the audience.  We may as well just tell Bioware we'd be really happy if they started developing Angry Birds.  

Apple is an example of a HUGE company, that prides itself on its ability to maintain artistic integrity.  I have never seen a company that is more invested in the creativity of their developers, and in protecting the identity of the product and the integrity of what they put out.  You don't get any bigger than Apple, so again the argument that a "big company" shouldn't be able to claim artistic integrity is rubbish.

Now back to Argument 1: 
Bioware was better before EA bought them out.  EA's capital investment has caused the creators to "sell out". 

While it is true that EA saw potential in Bioware and capitalized on it which most definitely was a profitable move for the company, it seems really apparent to me that Casey Hudson and the team that brought us the entire ME universe developed a story arc they believe in, and protected their vision.  If anything, that is the opposite of "selling out".  
The definition of "selling out" is compromising the artistic integrity of the product for a greater profit.  Given the current polls, and the movement to "withold the wallet", don't you think that changing the ending to appease angry fans would be a quicker means to the bottom line profit?  I do, but instead they have decided to stand behind the artistic decisions made in the story.  They are choosing to protect their very real artistic integrity, rather than sell out to the whims of fans.  I respect that.  I, for one, would have been pretty urked to download content that provided a totally new ending in which the starchild did not exist and the crucible options were different.  Why?  Because the integrity of the product would be diminished.   

It's most interesting to me that many of the fans who ridicule Bioware for "selling out" are the same fans who insist that they do just that by changing the ending, yet in all the posts I've read no one seems to point that out.  As far as the extended DLC is concerned, I am excited, hopeful, and happy that they have chosen to give us an epilogue.

Modifié par AllegedVixEo, 06 avril 2012 - 02:31 .