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[Militarized]

myrmedon419 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

myrmedon419 wrote...

Can you imagine if Michelangelo has painted a giant middle finger and the words in latin that roughly translated to "when you die you have three choices of colored lights to see before you go to hell" on the roof of the Sistine chapel?
 

Please don't insult an icon of History like Michelangelo by putting him anywhere near ME3. 

Yes, I can see that now. my apologies.

Not a problem, it's understandable 

[Elanor]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

valex-jedi wrote...

it sucks

A perfect summary.

Agreed.

[Nigawatts]

Dan Rosse wrote...

Kenkimaru wrote...

kotaku.com/5899605/the-extended-mass-effect-3-ending-will-add-variations-not-choices

kotaku.com/5899441/there-will-be-no-new-mass-effect-3-endings-just-a-extended-one

Basically, everything we complainin' about will be there with just more CGI? Are you bullsh— me?

Pfft, CGI costs money son. And last I heard this was free DLC.

I'm thinking either stillshots (even more hilarious still shots we've already seen)

Or just black screens of text. Or hell maybe an email.

[Chewbacca99]

AllegedVixEo wrote...

...snip...

Argument 2: Large entities who make sizable profit and/or make commercial goods for profit cannot consider their proprietary creative output as art and therefore cannot claim artistic integrity.

...

Apple is an example of a HUGE company, that prides itself on its ability to maintain artistic integrity.  I have never seen a company that is more invested in the creativity of their developers, and in protecting the identity of the product and the integrity of what they put out.  You don't get any bigger than Apple, so again the argument that a "big company" shouldn't be able to claim artistic integrity is rubbish.

1.  I have been following this argument since the beginning, and I have not seen anyone anywhere make the  distinction between LARGE and SMALL entities.  The key is that this so-called "art" is being sold for PROFIT, i.e. commercial interests.  As an example, if I commission a painting of myself, I have every right to reject the artist's rendition if it doesn't match my requirements.  Can you imagine, the artist telling me he won't alter the painting because of "INTEGRITY"?  Once something is being produced for sale to the mass market, the public CERTAINLY can and should respond.  Whether the company does anything about that is another thing, but it would be the smart thing to do especially given the breadth and depth of the organisation around Retake ME movement.

2.  Apple has ALWAYS cared about what its customers think and the fact that they have responded to the recent allegations of mistreatment in their factories shows that they care about perception (Whether or not they REALLY care is immaterial).  Similarly, they DID respond  to the antenna issues in the iPhone 4.  While they first downplayed it (typical PR tactic), you can be sure they were hard at work fixing it in parallel.  They could have just continued downplaying it and saying "you are holding it wrong".  But they know that the core of their brand are their FANATICAL CUSTOMERS and they need to keep these people happy.

3.  In any corporation, there are MANY stakeholders.  Customers are but one.  PArent company EA and BW senior management sure had a say in the ME3 story.  Doubtless the focus on MP or Kinect was due to upper management pressure.  So the story and the essence of the game are being altered even before it hits the shelves.  Why doesn't the project team claim artistic integrity and tell the management folks the "leave us alone?"  Yet they use this argument for their most loyal fans?  Mystifying 

[Dan Rosse]

Nigawatts wrote...

Pfft, CGI costs money son. And last I heard this was free DLC.

I'm thinking either stillshots (even more hilarious still shots we've already seen)

Or just black screens of text. Or hell maybe an email.

I'm working as Prod. designer in CDP, so I know about CGI-cost, so what? They done good on sales so they can
invest some money in franchise for the sake of community. But well, "can't" and "don't want to" are different things, yeah.

BTW, e-mail to who? Shepard is dead (yeah-yeah, breath scene) in original endings.
BW still diggin it's own grave. Are they aware of that?
Oh yeah, we're "just whining minority" 

[Ihatebadgames]

Everyone take a deep breath,go outside and play in the dirt.The line will look better when you come back.Course with today being PAX the line could look like ME3 London.

[Dan Rosse]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Everyone take a deep breath,go outside and play in the dirt.The line will look better when you come back.Course with today being PAX the line could look like ME3 London.

We'll see. Hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

[Jere85]

Hey guys, hows it going?
Anything from PAX yet? I see the twitch livestream, but anything more substantial? those guys wont do anything on the mass effect thingie, anything from the retake movement at PAX?

[CoolioThane]

I am not enjoying being kept in the dark here by Bioware

[Cybermortis]

Jere85 wrote...

Hey guys, hows it going?
Anything from PAX yet? I see the twitch livestream, but anything more substantial? those guys wont do anything on the mass effect thingie, anything from the retake movement at PAX?

Bioware isn't on until 4;30 EST, 9;30 GMT.

Besides, didn't they make it clear yesterday that the pannel with not say anything about the expanded ending beyond what was announced yesterday?

[Mr Chr15topher]

Jere85 wrote...

Hey guys, hows it going?
Anything from PAX yet? I see the twitch livestream, but anything more substantial? those guys wont do anything on the mass effect thingie, anything from the retake movement at PAX?

The Bioware panel is from 9.30-10.30 (British Time)
The live stream isn't covering the building that Bioware is in.

[Feraiin]

Replayed ME1. Just to confirm I didn't miss anything pointing toward the Synthetics vs. Organics conflict as final conflict.

Do you know how often it is mentioned explicitly in those words? Once.

In a sidequest on the citadel that I never picked up on until the 4th playthrough.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

OK everyone I better get off to bed. I have to brave the real world tomorrow, it could be dangerous so I need my rest lol.

Night all.

Hold The Line and Wallets

[Mr Chr15topher]

Cybermortis wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Hey guys, hows it going?
Anything from PAX yet? I see the twitch livestream, but anything more substantial? those guys wont do anything on the mass effect thingie, anything from the retake movement at PAX?

Bioware isn't on until 4;30 EST, 9;30 GMT.

Besides, didn't they make it clear yesterday that the pannel with not say anything about the expanded ending beyond what was announced yesterday?

To be honest, I doubt anyone there will be interested in anything BUT the endings. Good luck to Bioware panel avoiding the questions (and possibly thrown chairs).

[Mr Chr15topher]

xHezz90 wrote...

OK everyone I better get off to bed. I have to brave the real world tomorrow, it could be dangerous so I need my rest lol.

Night all.

Hold The Line and Wallets

Night night-_-

[Jere85]

Cybermortis wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Hey guys, hows it going?
Anything from PAX yet? I see the twitch livestream, but anything more substantial? those guys wont do anything on the mass effect thingie, anything from the retake movement at PAX?

Bioware isn't on until 4;30 EST, 9;30 GMT.

Besides, didn't they make it clear yesterday that the pannel with not say anything about the expanded ending beyond what was announced yesterday?

They did, but that wont make it less interesting, its going to be awkward anyway , i hope some real questions come through, not just the filtered questions like "So... which squadmates did you guys like the most?"

[toffeetrooper]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

OK everyone I better get off to bed. I have to brave the real world tomorrow, it could be dangerous so I need my rest lol.

Night all.

Hold The Line and Wallets

Night night-_-

will do

[Dan Rosse]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

To be honest, I doubt anyone there will be interested in anything BUT the endings. Good luck to Bioware panel avoiding the questions (and possibly thrown chairs).

 

[Mr Chr15topher]

Dan Rosse wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

To be honest, I doubt anyone there will be interested in anything BUT the endings. Good luck to Bioware panel avoiding the questions (and possibly thrown chairs).

 

Brilliant. I had forgotten that 

[Cybermortis]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

To be honest, I doubt anyone there will be interested in anything BUT the endings. Good luck to Bioware panel avoiding the questions (and possibly thrown chairs).

But...but...You don't really expect them to talk about the ending do you? 

I mean, they have the MP DLC to sell us...you know, the one no one was ever interested in for the part of the product no one wanted or asked for.

And then there is Dragon Age 3...you don't think they should tell us how brilliant that is going to be (Now with extra AWESOME!)...especially since almost no one is going to buy it?

Modifié par Cybermortis, 06 avril 2012 - 03:05 .

[chmarr]

Kenkimaru wrote...

kotaku.com/5899605/the-extended-mass-effect-3-ending-will-add-variations-not-choices

kotaku.com/5899441/there-will-be-no-new-mass-effect-3-endings-just-a-extended-one

T_T

"BioWare's work on the Extended Cut is delaying other DLC content,"

THAT is a load of bull, the DLC is all done when the game is launched the only thing thats delayed is dragon age 3

[Cybermortis]

chmarr wrote...

THAT is a load of bull, the DLC is all done when the game is launched the only thing thats delayed is dragon age 3

No, they moved the DA2 DLC Devs to work on DA3...so nothing should be delayed there.

[Mr Chr15topher]

Cybermortis wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

To be honest, I doubt anyone there will be interested in anything BUT the endings. Good luck to Bioware panel avoiding the questions (and possibly thrown chairs).

But...but...You don't really expect them to talk about the ending do you? 

I mean, they have the MP DLC to sell us...you know, the one no one was ever interested in for the part of the product no one wanted or asked for.

And then there is Dragon Age 3...you don't think they should tell us how brilliant that is going to be (Now with extra AWESOME!)...especially since almost no one is going to buy it?

Holy s***! I had forgotten about all that! Where's my wallet, I need to give them my all of my hard earned cash right away!

[Astralify]

I'm still here, I'm still holding the line, and I'm still F**KING MAD!

[Rdubs]

DJ and all - sorry of this has been posted before but this is a MUST read for everyone here if you want the developers to listen to us. Strongly recommend to add to Mr. Bond's link dump.

http://www.forbes.co...erica-now-what/