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[soltenshi]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

My take on artistic integrity:

BioWare claimed 16 different endings for this product, money was exchanged with that expectation.

If I were to paint something, perhaps a nice pastoral, a house in the background, and put it in a gallery to sell, I would expect to maintain artistic integrity. If a prospective buyer walked in and said, "That doesn't look like my house, I want you to change it so it does," I could tell them to take a long walk off a short pier with a free conscience. They had no expectations until they saw the final product, and no promises had been made, as it was not called "Prospective Buyer's House #1."
If, however, I had painted that as a commission, and the customer had been told, "Yes, it will look like your house, with your family standing outside. Everything will be good, trust me," then I had better deliver. If I paint a Greek Revival mansion instead of a midwestern bungalow, the wife is blonde instead of brunette, the children have tentacles coming out of their ears, and the family Chihuahua has suddenly become a Great Dane, then "artistic integrity" is no defense. I promised something that was not delivered. By taking pre-orders months in advance, on the strength of promises regarding the final product, BioWare offered something that was not delivered.

^ this

Yes, and now I'm curious:
they secured that we waited till 6th of April, so now 1 month after the purchase at 6th of March has past.
Am I able to return the product that I have pre-purchased now that 1 month is past?

Modifié par soltenshi, 06 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[firstarioch]

Multi player is easier and cheaper to create. Since theres no storyline, less work has to go into it, and therefore, there is less overhead in making it.  Lower cost = higher profits..  Its pretty cut and dry actually.. Sadly theres enough baby dweebs out there who only want to be the ultimate GI Joe who wouldnt know the business end of a weapon from their ****s that thrive on this kind of dreck that will continue to purchase it for the next cple years to keep Bioware afloat.  RP'ers like us, demand a story ( even a flimsy one ) before we're satisfied. Bioware would seem to LOVE the idea of dumping us in order to save money to buffer its pockets while making DLC for the MPers..


[/quote]

I agree with you ofcourse..I just cant fathom this dissmissal of fans (us ) like that...

[Teacher50]

firstarioch wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

htewing.coverpage.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast

live blog from bioware panal via holdtheline.

it doesnt load....
may you check it ?
thank you

It's scheduled for 3:30

[soltenshi]

firstarioch wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

htewing.coverpage.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast

live blog from bioware panal via holdtheline.

it doesnt load....
may you check it ?
thank you

the members there are starting at 3:30(est) 8:30(bst) 7:30(gmt) ive got the page open in my browser ready

I get this message :Oops! Google Chrome could not find htewing.coverpage.coveritlive.com

works for me with Chrome

[evisneffo]

MintyCool wrote...


Today marks the Fall of Retake and the Rise of Pro-Enders.

What a glorious morning.

Checkmate.

I've had my eye on you for a while, and I am ashamed to share a nickname with you. I'd like to be civil, but you've prohibited that from the start.

Please, if you'd like to insult as many people as possible you might like to create your own thread. Leave us to ours, unless you've got something constructive to add.

Modifié par evisneffo, 06 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[Jere85]

MintyCool wrote...


Today marks the Fall of Retake and the Rise of Pro-Enders.

What a glorious morning.

Checkmate.

Hey Minty, havent seen you around for a while, worst troll in BSN, obviously not knowing how trolling works, but by all means, keep your clumsy efforts up. Ill pretend to care.

[laughing sherpa girl]

[quote]CitizenSnips28 wrote...

[quote]AllegedVixEo wrote...

[quote]Lestatman wrote...



Got it... So, it's only art if you approve of it.

[/quote]
Ah I love these folks who still insist Bioware is some starving beret laden artist painting a self expressionist piece in their studio and not a company with a few hundred people working on a mass marketed product to make a profit. Video games are a product first and art second. Easy to prove really. If ME1 had tanked, do you think there would have been an ME2 and 3? Yeah probably not. These products NEED to be sold or they don't exist. In your Apple example, you really think Apple would have stuck to their guns if they started losing serious money to the point where it was no longer profitable to offer a product? Again probably not.

Even assuming this IS art, some people seem to live in a strange naive world where art never changed indeed CANNOT change, and that's just false. Alot of the best know works of art were tweaked and adjusted by their creators. To say that art cannot be changed is to assume that art has to be static. That once an artist creates something to express himself he cannot change his mind or decide to look at something in a new light. This is a false purist assumption which is especially false in storytelling art as books, plays, movies and I guess now video games. Its very common for say movies to re edit after screenings to get peoples reaction. Video games have the beta testing process, books get rewrites, etc. Its simply a silly notion that art happens in a vacuum, ESPECIALLY when you get away from self expressionist art and into entertainment products.

In the end though, I may agree more than I seem to be. Truth is Bioware DOES own the rights to its story and product. If they wanted to end the game by having a clown jump out and flip everyone the bird followed by a message detailing how much Bioware hates its fans that would be well within their rights (unless you want to look at it from a false advertising perspective, which I'm not getting into). Detractors don't understand what the Retake movement is. Trust me, we know its ultimately Bioware product. Our demands are nothing more than strong fan feedback. Its an ultimatum to change.their product it lose our business. Nothing more complicated than that. Our demands don't come with legal teeth nor are we literally threatening to do anything to them beyond what is our right to do (take business elsewhere). And sorry for the late post. Just got here.[/quote]

They WONT get into false advertising?? WHy?? is it because that argument  completely deflates that overworded and defensive diatribe right out of the water??  Bioware advertised a Cadillac, it delivered a broken down ford.  We want the cadillac we were told we would get for our money.. Now see?? was that so hard??
And, sorry, i'm just a little edgy today.. please forgive the bullet holes i just shot through this bull****.

[archangel1996]

MintyCool wrote...


Today marks the Fall of Retake and the Rise of Pro-Enders.

What a glorious morning.

Checkmate.

Yes... Italian fleet returns home

[Fox544]

firstarioch wrote...



Multi player is easier and cheaper to create. Since theres no storyline, less work has to go into it, and therefore, there is less overhead in making it.  Lower cost = higher profits..  Its pretty cut and dry actually.. Sadly theres enough baby dweebs out there who only want to be the ultimate GI Joe who wouldnt know the business end of a weapon from their ****s that thrive on this kind of dreck that will continue to purchase it for the next cple years to keep Bioware afloat.  RP'ers like us, demand a story ( even a flimsy one ) before we're satisfied. Bioware would seem to LOVE the idea of dumping us in order to save money to buffer its pockets while making DLC for the MPers..

I agree with you ofcourse..I just cant fathom this dissmissal of fans (us ) like that...

Its EA. They love the MP model. I get the feeling ME will turn into EA's answer to Ghost Recon.

Modifié par Fox544, 06 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[Ihatebadgames]

Naw don't think ghost recon.Think Farmville!A price on everything and nothing you buy lasts long.

[soltenshi]

damn, am I able to return the digital copy??

[firstarioch]

soltenshi wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

toffeetrooper wrote...

htewing.coverpage.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast

live blog from bioware panal via holdtheline.

it doesnt load....
may you check it ?
thank you

the members there are starting at 3:30(est) 8:30(bst) 7:30(gmt) ive got the page open in my browser ready

I get this message :Oops! Google Chrome could not find htewing.coverpage.coveritlive.com

works for me with Chrome

Ok I will try diffeent way ... Im on their page and im looking throgh live feeds now..there is a search bar... can you help me search for it ?
BIG Thank you in advance

[chmarr]

MintyCool wrote...


Today marks the Fall of Retake and the Rise of Pro-Enders.

What a glorious morning.

Checkmate.

please leave, do not troll us.

we have not fallen we are getting stronger.

pro enders are out numbered 200 - 1 so please leave before we have you ejected

[firstarioch]

chmarr wrote...

MintyCool wrote...


Today marks the Fall of Retake and the Rise of Pro-Enders.

What a glorious morning.

Checkmate.

please leave, do not troll us.

we have not fallen we are getting stronger.

pro enders are out numbered 200 - 1 so please leave before we have you ejected

please get this guy of here !! I dont want to loose my cool like I did yesterday ....!!!
I dont need anyone rile me up more ...Im already angry as is...
Please friend dont troll here ...If I get into one with you it will turn ugly.....Just PEACE//

[toffeetrooper]

@firstarioch go to http://www.holdtheli...eblog-link.580/ theres a link

[Relwyn]

MintyCool wrote...


Today marks the Fall of Retake and the Rise of Pro-Enders.

What a glorious morning.

Checkmate.

So what happened when you woke up? 

[laughing sherpa girl]

Fox544 wrote...

firstarioch wrote...



Multi player is easier and cheaper to create. Since theres no storyline, less work has to go into it, and therefore, there is less overhead in making it.  Lower cost = higher profits..  Its pretty cut and dry actually.. Sadly theres enough baby dweebs out there who only want to be the ultimate GI Joe who wouldnt know the business end of a weapon from their ****s that thrive on this kind of dreck that will continue to purchase it for the next cple years to keep Bioware afloat.  RP'ers like us, demand a story ( even a flimsy one ) before we're satisfied. Bioware would seem to LOVE the idea of dumping us in order to save money to buffer its pockets while making DLC for the MPers..

I agree with you ofcourse..I just cant fathom this dissmissal of fans (us ) like that...

Its EA. They love the MP model. I get the feeling ME will turn into EA's answer to Ghost Recon.

Corporations never care about their customers, unless those customers arealso shareholders.  With everything from poison pablum ( http://madeinusaoreu...t-formula.html  to agents orange, blue, white and pink ( used in vietnam, the balkans and elsewhere ), DDT, Diethylstilbesterate, cheap ( ergo poisonous ) teflon, collapsing colliseums, and flaming colliseums, corporations have made a life long example at just how little they care about anything except profit..
its pretty ****in sad

[soltenshi]

firstarioch wrote...

Ok I will try diffeent way ... Im on their page and im looking throgh live feeds now..there is a search bar... can you help me search for it ?
BIG Thank you in advance

Did you try this link? it forwards you somehow
htewing.coverpage.coveritlive.com


Oh, [toffeetrooper] answered:

@firstarioch go to http://www.holdtheli...eblog-link.580/ theres a link

Modifié par soltenshi, 06 avril 2012 - 06:02 .

[toffeetrooper]

a htl member just spoke to chris why joker was running will be answered

[chmarr]

firstarioch wrote...

please get this guy of here !! I dont want to loose my cool like I did yesterday ....!!!
I dont need anyone rile me up more ...Im already angry as is...
Please friend dont troll here ...If I get into one with you it will turn ugly.....Just PEACE//

i think minty is the reason to why most of our pro-retake threads where locked down

[toffeetrooper]

face import hoped to be fixed by tues

[Jere85]

So, what windows do you guys have open?
At the moment ofcourse i have 2 windows of BSN, this thread obviously and randomly checking others. Then 6 pages of twitter, JessicaMerizan, mass effect, bioware, retakemasseffect, christ priestly and what not, then i have the HTL community up, Live events by HTL, (cheers Toffee), im watching the twitchtv stream on one of my other screens and youtube, just for fun

What am i missing?

[chmarr]

toffeetrooper wrote...

face import hoped to be fixed by tues

wait face import still NOT fixed, yet last week they said they released the patch for xbox, ps3 and pc last friday.

wow bioware lied again

[g_bassi13]

toffeetrooper wrote...

face import hoped to be fixed by tues

A bit late when everyone already finished the game, isn't it? lol

[toffeetrooper]

ive got the pax east live blog thread on htl open the person there is posting on that untill her starts the proper blog( witch i have open as well)

dont forget to keep this thread running later liners were nearly at 3000

edit: oopps her

Modifié par toffeetrooper, 06 avril 2012 - 06:08 .