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[fosokles]

[quote]Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

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But ever since ME2 the tone has been pushed more towards the mainstream and it was already mainstreamish to begin with, Shepard is outright ressurected in Mass Effect 2 with no regard to the fact that there would be no way to recover his mind realistically. Ships somehow move between the galaxy map exploring planets without taking 20-30 years to move between them. It's like Star Wars now, as in there are certain things that aren't explained and don't need to be explained. So to have an ending like ME3 is just silly.

It's not a realistic ending anyway. Just like Star Wars has the force. Mass Effect has the ability to send out magic energy waves and has spikes that can instantly turn people cybernetic/husk/whatever.

So if you can have that, why can't we have an ending that doesn't involve shutting down the relays, or at least a scene where the Normandy doesn't get randomly thrown off to another planet.

You can't keep hiding behind reality because it's not a realistic universe. It's an action movie atmosphere with choices and most people will expecting a reasonably good ending if they tried hard enough. Like one where they can sit around a table with their crew at the end, ruined universe or not.

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^this

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I guess they figured that we'd basically be so disastified that we'd eventually go back and just accept the Merge ending which they have down as perfect and is the closest thing available to an ideal solution to the galaxy at the expense of railroading the things most people actually cared about.

Probably find out the next Mass Effect, MMO or not is set in the past anyway.

From what I have gathered, the destroy ending where Shepard survives (breathes at least) is the "perfect" ending.
So yeah, do everything to see... a small cutscene of a breath?

[Broder O]

Quick thought...
We have magic energy somehow changing the genetic code of every living being in the galaxy and Shepard becoming a ginormous super wierd AI god thingie as I understand it...

Can't we just.. ya know.. "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL".

[Acrylium]

I am Cmd. Shepard and this is the siliest ending on the citadell.

[FinalFantasy84]

I can't wait to play this amazing game.

[Broder O]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

I can't wait to play this amazing game.

You know I have to seriously agree... I CANNOT wait to see how they make this whole bag of confusion work....

[Abram730]

dizzymonkey_bio wrote...

sabere wrote...

Abram730 wrote...



Yes there IS something HEROIC in being willing to die for what you believe in.  If you can't imagine it then there must be nothing you feel is worth dying for.  Not even the entire galaxy.

What would the Mass effect universe look like if it was only your thinking?
Geth wouldn't be free because that would involve death... Life > freedom.
Nobody would fight the reapers as they'd all be in line to get indoctrinated.. Life > freedom
Sheperd would of quit as soon as people started shooting at him.  These people mean business lets go home before somebody gets hurt..  Every man for himself!!!  run!!!

I don't think there's anything wrong with what you've said.  In fact, it makes perfect sense.  But what I think most people here are displeased about is the fact that we all play these immersive RPG games to escape for a few hours from the real world.  Many people even get attached to their characers almost like sports fans get attached to a team, rooting them on to victory.  Just like in sports, we can't win them all, but it would be nice to have at least the possibility to make it to the end and come out a winner. 

I think this is a useful insight into why the lack of a "happy" ending is such a point of frustration for some.  Many people play games as a way to escape from reality - the reality that in real life you often can make the right choices and still pay a terrible price.  

Being the hero in games like this allow you to kill the baddies, get the girl and eat the cake.  In short, the fantasy for many is achieving the unrealistic victory where the player is spared the personal pain for the most part (assuming the player jumps through all the hoops to meet all the goals).

Beyond that, the first 2 games set this same tone.  ME1 you lose someone but the player is allowed to choose the character they like less (minimal personal impact).  ME2 you go on a suicide mission supposedly but you can get out without losing a single person.  Allowing for overcoming the negative personal impact in the first 2 games is a wild break from the reported dark and negative results of ME3.  

So if I player works on a character based on the assumption nurtured by ME1 and 2 and then finds their work to the assumed goal in ME3 (happy ending) is all in vain then naturally frustration is the result.

I'm definetly a realist, and have always had a hard time letting go of that.. I couldn't for example enjoy the movie windtalkers because the explotions looked too fake.

I do think the concept of a cause worth dying for is lost for many, and I do consider that a danger to us in real life.
If in our fanticy we can't imagine such things, what will happen when the Sh** hits the fan in real life?  If we can't see such a death as heroic, what will our fait be?  There could be no more just cause, then the one in ME3.  Even if you think humanity sucks, you should be able to get behind this cause.  
  Oil is running out and we use it for everything.. 1 cal of food takes the equivilent energy of 9 cal worth of oil to produce.. Things will get bad as our current pace will fall way short.  The biggest issue being food.

[Grey34]

oh well nothing we can do about it now i guess.  anyway i find that endings in movies,book,games etc not hugely  really satisfaying anyway. always left with something left hanging even if you do get the best happy ending

Modifié par Grey34, 02 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[FinalFantasy84]

Broder O wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

I can't wait to play this amazing game.

You know I have to seriously agree... I CANNOT wait to see how they make this whole bag of confusion work....

I know I'm going to enjoy it a LOT.

[Garrus30]

@raging about ending

So why don't we look at this way.

The ending sucks, so what? Didn't you enjoy playing the games, getting into the story and getting to know new characters and talk to them?

What would have been if it would be vice versa, like from ME1 to the half end of ME3 it's crap but the ending is really good.
Does this change that the game is crap? If no than why would it change Mass Effect to being crap with just a crap ending?

Modifié par Garrus30, 02 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[FinalFantasy84]

I got tired of caring about the leaked crap. I just mind dumped it all and I'm going in blind. Granted that man on man scene cannot be unseen.....

[G3rman]

Garrus30 wrote...

@raging about ending

So why don't we look at this way.

The ending sucks, so what? Didn't you enjoy playing the games, getting into the story and getting to know new characters and talk to them?

What would have been if it would be vice versa, like from ME1 to the half end of ME3 it's crap but the ending is really good.
Does this change that the game is crap? If no than why would it change Mass Effect to being crap with just a crap ending?

Its because they wanted a good resolution to their story, they are getting invested into it for a terrible ending with no rewarding value.  This kills the appeal for some players.

And the plot holes and lack of explanations are just inexcusable.

[FinalFantasy84]

I still have yet to see a list of these plot holes from someone who has actually played the game with irrefutable evidence of their claims.

[elarem]

I've been thinking about the leaked endings and I wonder if there is a way to kill the two squad mates at the end (so they don't magically transport to the Normandy) and kill all the people on the Normandy as it crash lands. This way there is no Gilligan's Island and implied yuckiness and it's relatively quick and painless.

There is the achievement for getting most of the War Assets to the final battle. So I'm making the assumption (stupid I know) that by not trying to be a goddam hero I can get the grim/dark ending that has now become my personal and satisfying head canon. I had wanted to save Earth but not any more - now my choice ending is Destroy everything that I can. Failure is the new succeed but obviously 'one man's meat is another man's poison'.

I'm just going to ignore the Epilogue. The current species have had their time in the sun thanks to the Reapers' guidance, now let's hear it for a currently non-tech species but with great potential - the pyjacks!

[FinalFantasy84]

lol@ Mass Effect 4: Joker's Island

[Garrus30]

G3rman wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

@raging about ending

So why don't we look at this way.

The ending sucks, so what? Didn't you enjoy playing the games, getting into the story and getting to know new characters and talk to them?

What would have been if it would be vice versa, like from ME1 to the half end of ME3 it's crap but the ending is really good.
Does this change that the game is crap? If no than why would it change Mass Effect to being crap with just a crap ending?

Its because they wanted a good resolution to their story, they are getting invested into it for a terrible ending with no rewarding value.  This kills the appeal for some players.

And the plot holes and lack of explanations are just inexcusable.

And you think that you (you in general) know that by seeing the endings without knowing the context?

[Broder O]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

I still have yet to see a list of these plot holes from someone who has actually played the game with irrefutable evidence of their claims.

This is true...
Like the philospher said; Hope springs eternal

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I guess they figured that we'd basically be so disastified that we'd eventually go back and just accept the Merge ending which they have down as perfect and is the closest thing available to an ideal solution to the galaxy at the expense of railroading the things most people actually cared about.

Probably find out the next Mass Effect, MMO or not is set in the past anyway.

From what I have gathered, the destroy ending where Shepard survives (breathes at least) is the "perfect" ending.
So yeah, do everything to see... a small cutscene of a breath?

That makes no sense though. Isn't the Merge ending the hardest one to get. And it seems almost obvious from the fact that the destroy ending kills the Geth, Kills EDI, Normany gets stranded anyway and the Red lights that it's practically a Renegade ''trap'' ending.

Oh here's your chance to survive and see your LI / Crew again. Oh lol... you picked the wrong one we're taking the crew anyway. And your burned up to hell with no one around to give you medical attention, seems almost more like a punishment.

The only thing that could save it at this point which would be ridicolously cheesy is to pull a Dragon Age Awakening (urgh) which they have no plans to do. In which case Shepard lives in the canon and the game just brings him back magically if you choose to play it. And you go on a cheesy mission to rescue his crew who you've somehow found the co-ordinates to and have found a way to reach them.
 
or a more respectible solution would be, Shepard is either out of action is hospital or dead from the other 2 endings. So you have a new protagonist that has to go rescue the crew.

It's just not gonna happen though. But it would have been nice.

[Jacy Pane]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

lol@ Mass Effect 4: Joker's Island

Always knew Joker was a pimp.

[Garrus30]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

@raging about ending

So why don't we look at this way.

The ending sucks, so what? Didn't you enjoy playing the games, getting into the story and getting to know new characters and talk to them?

What would have been if it would be vice versa, like from ME1 to the half end of ME3 it's crap but the ending is really good.
Does this change that the game is crap? If no than why would it change Mass Effect to being crap with just a crap ending?

Mass Effect is a story-driven game. For me, a story is always only as good as its end is. If I can't get a good end in Mass Effect 3, it ruins the entire series for me. If the rumor comes true, I will never buy a game from Bioware again - and I've bought all games and DLC from them until this day.

Well yeah you have a point, like me hating Blade 3 Trinity but loving the first two, but it could actually be one of the good bad ends, like damn this crap but ok I accept it you know?

So far, the leaks are true but the ones who leaked it also liked the game, so...

Modifié par Garrus30, 02 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[FinalFantasy84]

Even if the endings are ****ty (which btw is all a matter of opinion) I'm gonna have one hell of a time getting to that ****fest.....if it is one that is.

[framerunner1987]

SonofOrion wrote...

I'm okay with the relays getting shut down. I'm not okay with our crew getting shafted.

^This

I really can accept, that I'd loose many many lives and that the relays get shut down/destroyed.
But I simply CAN'T accept, that Shepard gets sepperated from his crew!
I wouldn't even mind if he would get to crash with them, as long as he/she's with the ppl that stood beside him trough all this stuff!

EDIT: BTW so far the complete destrucion of every civilisation isn't such a bad option after all...

Modifié par framerunner1987, 02 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[Abram730]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

NaPo1eon wrote...

With all the bad PR they are getting from these leaks, it's nothing but absolutely stupid to not comment on it, if they are false.

Reason they aren't, is to prevent pre-order cancellations.

Common sense is aweeeeesome.

They're already filled to the brim in pre-orders, and tons more people have been trying to do so, so I doubt they'd lose much in that direction; there are plenty of people who don't know about the leaks - as far as the endings anyway, after all.

The 360 CE is selling for $100 - $160 on ebay due to being sold out.  Demand > supply.

Hence why I said "filled to the brim"? People cancelling pre-orders opens up room for those who want to but can't.

EDIT: Seriously, if I had those I'd be selling them too.

Yep, people will be going around to every store looking for unclaimed CE's..
Holding on to them and then selling them later can net an even bigger profit..

I don't think this one will sell for $1,750.. but I could be wrong.
http://www.ebay.com/...=item256c5d3703