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[Abram730]

Want me to think up a way for the crew to survive?
The quarian and turian issue?

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

Ah well I guess just the next trilogy bioware envisions, people will be less inclined to pick it up, since they will be worried that they will be led accross 3 games to an ending that is left in tears.

[bas273]

Abram730 wrote...

Want me to think up a way for the crew to survive?
The quarian and turian issue?

If it involves graphs, yes.

[Darth Malice113]

Clippersfan wrote...

http://daeity.blogspot.com/

Wow... talk about exposed.

Holy crap.

I usually have no problem with stories borrowing ideas from other sources, but this?

Wow.

[kingsims]

Not surprised that Bioware are fans of Ion Storm

[Lotion Soronarr]

framerunner1987 wrote...
I really can accept, that I'd loose many many lives and that the relays get shut down/destroyed.
But I simply CAN'T accept, that Shepard gets sepperated from his crew!
I wouldn't even mind if he would get to crash with them, as long as he/she's with the ppl that stood beside him trough all this stuff!

EDIT: BTW so far the complete destrucion of every civilisation isn't such a bad option after all...

So you can accept loosing many lives, but can't accept loosing a few specific ones?
...
Because you like your happy ending?

Shep and the crew have been cheating death and beating the odds. Their luck was bound to run out sometimes. Death of hte crew or the destruction of Normandy are not bad storytelling.

the way it happens sorta is..

[Ywasibanned]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

So you can accept loosing many lives, but can't accept loosing a few specific ones?
...
Because you like your happy ending?

Shep and the crew have been cheating death and beating the odds. Their luck was bound to run out sometimes. Death of hte crew or the destruction of Normandy are not bad storytelling.

the way it happens sorta is..

Meh. People have grown attached to Shepard and his crew as the main characters. It's reasonable if people are more upset about them specifically.

[Clippersfan]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

http://daeity.blogspot.com/

Wow... talk about exposed.

Holy crap.

I usually have no problem with stories borrowing ideas from other sources, but this?

Wow.

Same. I too had this big idea that Bioware was brilliant or inventive. I almost put their company on a pedastal. To not only find out that in the end after all the hype about choices..... was worthless but to also find out that none of this was even their own idea? I'm absolutely shocked to say the least. 

Like mostly everybody here is saying.... it's not like we wanted a lot. We all accept that war has no "happy ending". Could they have at least let Shepard land on that random planet WITH the crew though? Unlike most it's not about the love interest for me. It's about the friendships and attachments I built to these very deep and unique squadmates. 

Why let us get attached to them then take them away? I'm tempted to do what many suggested here and purposely making them die in ME2 so I'm not left wondering how they lived or died.

Modifié par Clippersfan, 02 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Ksandor]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Ah well I guess just the next trilogy bioware envisions, people will be less inclined to pick it up, since they will be worried that they will be led accross 3 games to an ending that is left in tears.

Nope. Next generation will be clueless, inexperienced and buy the new games. They will only care about action anyway.

[Bebbe777]

Really looked forward to see how my "Humanity First" Shep and the Human Council would affect the game and ending but it was all for nothing. There is no Citadel Space after this

[Clippersfan]

I think I'm going to cancel my pre order and use that money to buy Kingdom of Amalur or Silent Hill next month...

[CerberusSoldier]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Ah well I guess just the next trilogy bioware envisions, people will be less inclined to pick it up, since they will be worried that they will be led accross 3 games to an ending that is left in tears.

   


They better not release any more games . because they have no brand no more as far as I am concerned . They murdered the Mass Effect Ip

[Lux]

"Greetings,

I wish to cancel my pre-order of Mass Effect 3: N7 Digital Deluxe Edition UK from January 12.

I understand that this will result in the removal of the allotted Blue Coins related with the pre-order (which haven't been used) and the bonus game DA:O (which I haven't attempted to download nor access the serial numbers).

This cancellation is by no means related with the good service of Gamersgate. It is instead associated with loss of confidence in the developer (EA/BioWare). I may be purchasing this game after release, taking into consideration reviews, certain elements of the storyline clarified and customer feedback."

After DA2, Origin requirement for ME3, aggressive milking-the-cow DLCs, inequitable bioware points system for DLCs and elevated price tag of the main game, the topic in question is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm growing tired of all these extra requirements and conditions to play an EA-bioware game, which may very well have a disappointing conclusion after of a long journey.

I'll grab ME3 when it gets to the bargain bin. There's plenty of other - more flexible - entertainment elsewhere.

Modifié par Merkar, 02 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Ksandor]

Clippersfan wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

http://daeity.blogspot.com/

Wow... talk about exposed.

Holy crap.

I usually have no problem with stories borrowing ideas from other sources, but this?

Wow.

Same. I too had this big idea that Bioware was brilliant or inventive. I almost put their company on a pedastal. To not only find out that in the end after all the hype about choices..... was worthless but to also find out that none of this was even their own idea? I'm absolutely shocked to say the least. 

Like mostly everybody here is saying.... it's not like we wanted a lot. We all accept that war has no "happy ending". Could they have at least let Shepard land on that random planet WITH the crew though? Unlike most it's not about the love interest for me. It's about the friendships and attachments I built to these very deep and unique squadmates. 

Why let us get attached to them then take them away? I'm tempted to do what many suggested here and purposely making them die in ME2 so I'm not left wondering how they lived or died.

Does DA2 and Bethany or Hawke's brother ring a bell? You get attached but you lose them whatever you do.

[CerberusSoldier]

Clippersfan wrote...

I think I'm going to cancel my pre order and use that money to buy Kingdom of Amalur or Silent Hill next month...

   


yeah I am buying KOAR as well at least that does not have no bull Sh***

[Clippersfan]

Merkar wrote...

"Greetings,

I wish to cancel my pre-order of Mass Effect 3: N7 Digital Deluxe Edition UK from January 12.

I understand that this will result in the removal of the allotted Blue Coins related with the pre-order (which haven't been used) and the bonus game DA:O (which I haven't attempted to download nor access the serial numbers).

This cancellation is by no means related with the good service of Gamersgate. It is instead associated with loss of confidence in the developer (EA/BioWare). I may be purchasing this game after release, taking into consideration reviews, certain elements of the storyline clarified and customer feedback."

After DA2, Origin requirement for ME3, aggressive milking-the-cow DLCs, inequitable bioware points system for DLCs and elevated price tag of the main game, the topic in question is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm growing tired of all these extra requirements and conditions to play an EA-bioware game, which may very well have a disappointing conclusion after of a long journey.

I'll grab ME3 when it gets to the bargain bin. There's plenty of other - more flexible - entertainment elsewhere.

Amen. I don't give a rats a** if this game is great outside of the endings. The endings of a trilogy that quite frankly changed my gaming life... are EVERYTHING to me. To learn that nothing I did.... mattered... is such a terrible feeling. What set Mass Effect apart was the choices/consequences and to find out they were all for show.. is sobering.

[xtorma]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

http://daeity.blogspot.com/

Wow... talk about exposed.

Holy crap.

I usually have no problem with stories borrowing ideas from other sources, but this?

Wow.

Holy crapeola , I'd be sueing if EA had not bought the rights to this. That makes the writing in mass effect even worse, because they did not even have to create it. They had a script already and just changed a few minor details.

this deserves its own thread.

Modifié par xtorma, 02 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[Clippersfan]

Ksandor wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Clippersfan wrote...

http://daeity.blogspot.com/

Wow... talk about exposed.

Holy crap.

I usually have no problem with stories borrowing ideas from other sources, but this?

Wow.

Same. I too had this big idea that Bioware was brilliant or inventive. I almost put their company on a pedastal. To not only find out that in the end after all the hype about choices..... was worthless but to also find out that none of this was even their own idea? I'm absolutely shocked to say the least. 

Like mostly everybody here is saying.... it's not like we wanted a lot. We all accept that war has no "happy ending". Could they have at least let Shepard land on that random planet WITH the crew though? Unlike most it's not about the love interest for me. It's about the friendships and attachments I built to these very deep and unique squadmates. 

Why let us get attached to them then take them away? I'm tempted to do what many suggested here and purposely making them die in ME2 so I'm not left wondering how they lived or died.

Does DA2 and Bethany or Hawke's brother ring a bell? You get attached but you lose them whatever you do.

Yup the way they handled that pissed me off too. Man it's crazy... I've considered Bioware the GOAT since NWN pretty much. I always bragged about the games they make, purchased everything possible to support them and always recommended their products. To get shafted on the game I was looking forward to more than any other in my life hurts. 

I know people keep saying "Play the game before making judgements!" but if we already know the endings... what's the damn point?

[SirPetrakus]

There was a lot of things I was expecting from the endings. I was also expecting a "perfect" run (save everything and everyone, no loses, no planets destroyed etc.) a "hopeless" ending (Shep and crew making a last stand against the reapers alone and ultimately losing, civilization crumbles, reapers win) and lots of in between endings. Would make more sense, right? What you'd expect?

Instead we get 3 endings that are basically ... poop on a stick.

You get red mega death ray ending, where you destroy the relays and the reapers, also killing off your crew and a large part of the galactic civilization, literally sinking what's left (if any) into a new dark age, with hundreds of years of suffering, hunger and disease. Makes all the sacrifices worth it, right? No. Not to me, at least. Sure, the ending doesn't tell you that right in your face, but if in Arrival the Relay's destruction destroys a whole cluster ... well. It's called "implication".

Or, you get green mega death ray, that is pretty much same as the above, but the crew survives, only to be shoehorned in a backwater planet with questionable means of sustaining a population, implying slow, horrible deaths for most involved. Implications.

Or, you get blue mega death ray, which is again, same as the above, only this time, what's left of the organic races, turns synthetic, via blue ray magic (how does that even work?). Besides the fact that a choice like this is unethical, unnatural and imposed in a fascist manner to all living beings across the galaxy, it also renders civilization stagnant. If everyone's a machine, then of course there's no need for food consumption, breathing, sleeping. Even death will be a thing of the past. Guaranteed immortality would basically kill the drive. What's the point to create art? Or advances in technology or medicine? No need for that. Extinct. Culture and civilization become stagnant. Again, "implications".

And this is supposed to be the "perfect" ending? Better to have let the reapers purge the galaxy of all life and instead trying to find a way to give the next organics to rise in the galaxy, an even better chance to fight the reapers. I find none of these endings to be good, bad, or even "bittersweet". Unless the message of this entire trilogy was "war sucks, deal with it".

As for the people that like the endings; I'm really happy that you'd take hundreds of years of suffering, with a slight chance that things might get better, regardless of whether they do or not, or a pointless existence, over dying for something.

The game itself may be the best thing in video game history in terms of gameplay or even story telling since ... well, my personal favorite (Baldur's Gate 2), but the endings just seem extremely forced.

tl;dr Not happy.

[Abram730]

Grand Wazoo wrote...

I am okay with the destroy/merge etc. endings but I really don't understand the normandy getting stranded? If you're going to basically kill off the crew why not let them go in a blaze of glory or let Shepard die together with the LI or something.. Anything.

^^^ I can't argue with this one.

[wolf99000]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

framerunner1987 wrote...
I really can accept, that I'd loose many many lives and that the relays get shut down/destroyed.
But I simply CAN'T accept, that Shepard gets sepperated from his crew!
I wouldn't even mind if he would get to crash with them, as long as he/she's with the ppl that stood beside him trough all this stuff!

EDIT: BTW so far the complete destrucion of every civilisation isn't such a bad option after all...

So you can accept loosing many lives, but can't accept loosing a few specific ones?
...
Because you like your happy ending?

Shep and the crew have been cheating death and beating the odds. Their luck was bound to run out sometimes. Death of hte crew or the destruction of Normandy are not bad storytelling.

the way it happens sorta is..

its not the point that we cannot accept losing the crew I think we could if it made sense which it does not plus you are railroaded into what ever you do the whole point of mass effect has been create your own shepard they have killed that in this game by taking away are choice on the ending as there is no way to save the crew even if you die

and lets not forget what virgil said of there run in with reapers people left over died from lack of food so cutting off every planet places like earth will die because I am sure the reapers made sure there will be no food if that is what they did in the past plus they cannot get help from others so its a death sentence anyway

Modifié par wolf99000, 02 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[Bebbe777]

So in Destroy, Shep lives but the crew dies. And in Control, Shep dies, but the crew gets marooned on a planet. WTF!!

[Clippersfan]

Funny thing is until this fiasco I always thought Bioware cared about what we had to say. The fact that they haven't said anything and did this knowing damn well it would cause a sh**storm.. proves otherwise. They had to know damn well how we would all react. We have invested hundreds of hours into this series and deserve better.

It's impossible that the crew making this game didn't think "hey let's at least give them crew+Normandy stranded WITH Shepard". They can't possibly be that stupid to think these endings were appropriate.

[Clippersfan]

Bebbe777 wrote...

So in Destroy, Shep lives but the crew dies. And in Control, Shep dies, but the crew gets marooned on a planet. WTF!!

CHOICES. That's what separates Mass Effect from other games! 

[wolf99000]

Clippersfan wrote...

Funny thing is until this fiasco I always thought Bioware cared about what we had to say. The fact that they haven't said anything and did this knowing damn well it would cause a sh**storm.. proves otherwise. They had to know damn well how we would all react. We have invested hundreds of hours into this series and deserve better.

It's impossible that the crew making this game didn't think "hey let's at least give them crew+Normandy stranded WITH Shepard". They can't possibly be that stupid to think these endings were appropriate.

I think its more like they figured we are done with mass effect lets kill it here and move on to something else problem is they are killing a francise that has such a great future