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[Jere85]

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

Ugh... thats disgusting...

[Phoenix NL]

Jere85 wrote...

They could have at least thrown us a bone, im aware they couldnt select the worst questions, but they handpicked the most non issue questions out there, yeah lets talk about facial expression... that made me feel so much better!... *sighs*... time to bring out the vodka.

In a way they did, they spoke about the Ending dlc which they had originally said they weren't going to do. They've shown they're listening and are working on it and are asking for more feedback. They're also looking at doing more than just cinematics so it's not perfect but it's something.

[KGSReaper]

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Sorry, but what does QFT stand for?

Quoted for truth

[isig]

chmarr wrote...

seems the questions that were supposed to get asked were not allowed as preistly moderated the questions before hand, some pax bloggers say preistly held out questions.

so yeah it was a fix for 90% of the questions.

i never thought i would say this but bioware rigged there own Q&A session

As we suspected they might..

However, what I didn't expect was how successful they'd be in placating the audience there:
- "Without you, we are nothing. We are artists without an audience."   Audience applause

Modifié par isig, 06 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[xcomcmdr]

Feraiin wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Come on everyone, they were never going to give us concrete answers right now. They're trying to sort this dlc out, the writers are working at it. They can't come out and promise something that they can't deliver (again I know) so they have to tread a very thin line. It's aggravating and frustrating but part of the problem is that they don't have concrete answers to some of our questions.

This. I didn't expect anything else than what we got there. These things always play out like that. At least they acknowledged the movement and IT, that's a start.

Stand strong people, it's not over until the big Krogan sings!

Yep, they are definitely aware of it. There's hope left...

Modifié par xcomcmdr, 06 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[Major Swift]

I've got to go for a bit and calm down, that was just ridiculous, be back (maybe) in a few hours...

[silencemayday]

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

that's ****ed up. even for them.

damn, glad i stayed away for the last few hours. wouldn't have been able to endure this. 

[soltenshi]

XIzCarnageXIXZ wrote...

they told us to wait for people to finished the game we waited calmly
then they tell us to wait for pax we waited AGAIN calmly
and now we get no answers some bull about MP an that's it WTF

Thats it. You got to HOLD The Line.

[DJBare]

chmarr wrote...

This needs proof chmarr, any accusations regarding the questions and retakers being asked to leave needs proof, lets not start posting stuff until we know.

Modifié par DJBare, 06 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[Dan Rosse]

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

Do they understands that they're provoking a riots with torches and forks?

[Tyion133]

Chatboy 91 wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Uhmm... I havnt been here for a few hours, what'd i miss?

A Q/A session that didn't answer anything pertinent.

So... We get even more non-answers about the real issue... sweet

[Dauw]

"Expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed" is a good thing to live by, but I never thought it'd apply to Bioware. Ah well.

[chmarr]

Lestatman wrote...

If and I mean IF this is true then it's a bad day indead.

think about it REALLY think about it, so many people could have asked any question but chris preistly was the question moderator, he can deny any question he wanted and if need be hand out pre-authorized questions

[MintyCool]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

I KNOW THEY FEEL. THIS HURT THEM. Especially since they lost 50-75% of the people after closure/clarification dlc. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Glorious day my friends, glorious day.

Reign of the Pro-Enders has begun.

[MordiMoro]

What has happened? I do not understand...
I explain this?
Thanks

[GoldBTM25]

Well, pretty much what I was expecting. Didn't really address ending. Played to their strenghts (talking about Mordin, Garrus, Tali and their arcs), sidestepped their fallings (the Tali face misdirect was masterful). And the Q&A was, um, well, tame, to say the least. I imagine everything will be extremely nebulous for a while. Sigh...

[Ronnocloki]

My feelings after reading about their plans for the "extended cut" can be summed up as follows.

You have failed.
We will find another developer.
Ceasing support of Bioware franchises.

Modifié par Ronnocloki, 06 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[sumo390]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

LTBK wrote...

I really feel sad for anyone happy or laughing about "Retake failing". Don't they see that if BioWare starts losing money from lost customers and bad word of mouth they will lose too? Well, maybe it's just that they don't care at all, and that shows what amazing "fans" will keep BW for the future.

Don't think they are looking at the overall big picture and how they could/will be affecetd. Its more about the fact that this  looks like a victory for them and those who are disappointed with the endings dont get anything. So they are proud that it stays the same and we lose.

Mature right?

Drones gonna drone

[Herky]

OH BOY THEY RLY F'CKED UP NOW VIVA LA REVOLUTION

[RussianOrc]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

Can I ask you something, MintyCool? Why are you here?

Just report her for trolling.

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Uhmm... I havnt been here for a few hours, what'd i miss?

Well, Joffrey wants to go to war against northeners, Daenerys is still wondering through desert, Cercei is in full lioness mode, putting Littlefinger to his place, the crows have moved beyond the wall and there are 5 kings in one kingdom.

As for the PAX panel, nothing, they did not adress the endings, just like they said.

Is drunken MP still an option?

[Lwyn]

So they spew some noncommittal crap about extending the ending and only extending.
Not even a hold tight or please be patient. Just keep giving us feedback (that judging from the extended ending announcement is being used as toilet paper decoration).
Awesome.

[LTBK]

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

Uhm... If true, thats... ehrm... I don't have words for it.

Modifié par LTBK, 06 avril 2012 - 10:14 .

[Annaleah]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

Can I ask you something, MintyCool? Why are you here?

Don't aknowlege Minty's existence. His parents never paid any attention to him so he uses forums as a way of getting attention. To him, negative attention is better than none.
The best thing we can do is ignore and report him.

[Computim]

The Q&A period was -very- good.  The Q's asked may not have been the ones you wanted but they still ANSWERED a lot..  I am VERY happy with how this turned out.. seriously you guys have no idea how ecstatic I am right now.

First off: the fact they mentioned the ending, addressed most of the points that could be, that's a GREAT sign.. they weren't even supposed to expand on the endings today, but they did, and it's MUCH better than we had thought.

They had 1200 people cram into a theatre designed for 4-600... that tells you how much people cared about this.. that on its own gave them obvious pause.. they spoke about the ending DLC.. they also addressed the upset.

They've directly stated:

Discussing extended cut - NOT a reimagining of the endings or a new ending

Currently building it right now, cinematics team and writers heavily involved, working on it

"We definitely look, we definitely put together a list." The community team feed the dev team the questions. "We want to give you some more closure" around the questions you have, fill in some of the unknowns. "Want to give players a sense of personalization with the endings"

This right here is the crowning achievement of everything this stands for.  They're going to make our choices matter.. the fact that this isn't coming out till Summer means that they're going to have more voice actors in all likelihood, they very well could even have more gameplay... though I'd be happy with just cutscenes that filled in the plotholes.

Notice the talk about the indoctrination theory.. this part is particularly interesting to me.. the response was not a "Laugh - those fans be crazy" response..

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how, um, committed the fanbase is..." don't want to comment either way. Don't want to be prescriprive -- fans interpret their own way, plus DLC coming. "We want the content to speak for itself, and we'll let it do so"

That right there tells me that they may actually be planning the 'indoctrination theory' route.. they're not going to call it that though.. this screams more of "We can't talk about this or we'll lose our jobs" speak, not "Those fans be crazy".

The numbers side of things is interesting to me as a programmer who works a LOT with databases and realtime/historical data mining.. a lot of what I work with is numbers numbers and more numbers.  They mentioned 64,000 states.. that means that they needed to genericize stuff and then make endings/comments tweaked just enough to account for those 64,000 different possibilities.. .you wouldn't want to be talking to Tali if Tali was dead sorta thing.  It IS a LOT of work, and explains why they went with the crap endings there.. They obviously got themselves stuck, didn't realize the endings til right before release and had to make all 64,000 of those variables suddenly matter.. which didn't work out in their bandaid.. it's why they're now taking til Summer to correct that...  They realize what they did wrong... Right there means we've achieved complete victory on that point.  They KNOW what they did wrong...

No matter how much you hate citadel kid, if they apply the same level of workmanship to everything coming that they've done to the game now on that basis we will get a good ending... I am confident enough with that to stake an Xbox 360 console on that.  I'll give it to Tami if they manage to completely screw up the ending now.  You heard that Bioware.  Tami's getting a 360 for her college dorm if you fubar this.. so don't!.  (I can put pictures up later.  It's a non-HDMI white 360 with a 120gb HDD, working - not xbl banned)

I'm still holding my wallet until this DLC drops.  That's my right as a customer and until I actually see it drop I'm not buying EA merch.. however I'm hopeful here that this will be a lesson in monumental PR screwups and design processes and they'll come out of this having learnt a valuable lesson.

So take heart my fellow liners.  This is an amazingly good thing.  I'll be happy to reply to comments/disagreements here.. enjoy the rest of your day!