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[Darth_Acheron47]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

They could have at least thrown us a bone, im aware they couldnt select the worst questions, but they handpicked the most non issue questions out there, yeah lets talk about facial expression... that made me feel so much better!... *sighs*... time to bring out the vodka.

In a way they did, they spoke about the Ending dlc which they had originally said they weren't going to do. They've shown they're listening and are working on it and are asking for more feedback. They're also looking at doing more than just cinematics so it's not perfect but it's something.

What I don't get is why they're still asking for MORE feedback. Haven't they already had four weeks to gather feedback? And we've seen what they've done with it?

"Oh, you don't like StarBrat, ending full of plot holes, space magic, etc."

"Here's some cut scenes explaining our art."

... I feel I can only continue to shout for so long before realizing I'm being ignored and just save my breath (and money) and go elsewhere.

[soltenshi]

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

ah, this sounds too ominous.
this needs to be proved before being taken into consideration

[Gmandam]

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

PAX proves nothing.

Modifié par Gmandam, 06 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[Ossborn76]

"Without you, we are nothing. We are artists without an audience."

Yeah.... you won´t have an audience in the future. Nobody is willing to give any more money to you, except a few missguided pro-ender fanatics...

[DJBare]

Do not make accusations until you have a source/link with an incredible amount of proof, we're on that shakey tightrope I spoke about!

[Keltikone]

Little Miss Angel wrote...

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

Can I ask you something, MintyCool? Why are you here?

Its cAssey Hudson, he works here.

[Teacher50]

DJBare wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Come on everyone, they were never going to give us concrete answers right now. They're trying to sort this dlc out, the writers are working at it. They can't come out and promise something that they can't deliver (again I know) so they have to tread a very thin line. It's aggravating and frustrating but part of the problem is that they don't have concrete answers to some of our questions.

QFT.

^^^ This. It aint over till the fat lady sings!

[imelik]

Anyone else in here that wants to get drunk right now because they feel sad and betrayed ?
I know i do. And i haven't had a drop of alcohol in 5 years. Way to go BW, way to go.

[Lestatman]

chmarr wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

If and I mean IF this is true then it's a bad day indead.

think about it REALLY think about it, so many people could have asked any question but chris preistly was the question moderator, he can deny any question he wanted and if need be hand out pre-authorized questions

I don't want to over comment as I wasn't there but if someone was able to record it on their phone as evidence then I comment on it better.

[Rulycar]

I have six words regarding BioWare and their response ...
... "Dont you think they look tired?"

[Nharia1]

MintyCool wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

I KNOW THEY FEEL. THIS HURT THEM. Especially since they lost 50-75% of the people after closure/clarification dlc. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Glorious day my friends, glorious day.

Reign of the Pro-Enders has begun.

Will you please stop spamming this thread with your Pro Ending Dogmatic bull, cause seriously, you're starting to give me a headache having to look at your posts... <_<

[Dae0]

KGSReaper wrote...

Mr Chr15topher wrote...

Sorry, but what does QFT stand for?

Quoted for truth

And here I thought it meant "quite f**king true"

[Feraiin]

MintyCool wrote...


Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

editinternational.com/images/gallery/sha-cageattack_low.jpg

I kindly ask you to leave, as you are on the inside of that little cage.

[Bubi7]

MintyCool wrote...
Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

wat

[Major Swift]

Jere85 wrote...

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

Ugh... thats disgusting...

I should not have read that before I left....... that is just...... I don't have words for this, yea I probably won't be back rest of day/night, rage level is now over 9000

[soltenshi]

Computim wrote...

The Q&A period was -very- good.  The Q's asked may not have been the ones you wanted but they still ANSWERED a lot..  I am VERY happy with how this turned out.. seriously you guys have no idea how ecstatic I am right now.

First off: the fact they mentioned the ending, addressed most of the points that could be, that's a GREAT sign.. they weren't even supposed to expand on the endings today, but they did, and it's MUCH better than we had thought.

They had 1200 people cram into a theatre designed for 4-600... that tells you how much people cared about this.. that on its own gave them obvious pause.. they spoke about the ending DLC.. they also addressed the upset.

They've directly stated:

Discussing extended cut - NOT a reimagining of the endings or a new ending

Currently building it right now, cinematics team and writers heavily involved, working on it

"We definitely look, we definitely put together a list." The community team feed the dev team the questions. "We want to give you some more closure" around the questions you have, fill in some of the unknowns. "Want to give players a sense of personalization with the endings"

This right here is the crowning achievement of everything this stands for.  They're going to make our choices matter.. the fact that this isn't coming out till Summer means that they're going to have more voice actors in all likelihood, they very well could even have more gameplay... though I'd be happy with just cutscenes that filled in the plotholes.

Notice the talk about the indoctrination theory.. this part is particularly interesting to me.. the response was not a "Laugh - those fans be crazy" response..

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how, um, committed the fanbase is..." don't want to comment either way. Don't want to be prescriprive -- fans interpret their own way, plus DLC coming. "We want the content to speak for itself, and we'll let it do so"

That right there tells me that they may actually be planning the 'indoctrination theory' route.. they're not going to call it that though.. this screams more of "We can't talk about this or we'll lose our jobs" speak, not "Those fans be crazy".

The numbers side of things is interesting to me as a programmer who works a LOT with databases and realtime/historical data mining.. a lot of what I work with is numbers numbers and more numbers.  They mentioned 64,000 states.. that means that they needed to genericize stuff and then make endings/comments tweaked just enough to account for those 64,000 different possibilities.. .you wouldn't want to be talking to Tali if Tali was dead sorta thing.  It IS a LOT of work, and explains why they went with the crap endings there.. They obviously got themselves stuck, didn't realize the endings til right before release and had to make all 64,000 of those variables suddenly matter.. which didn't work out in their bandaid.. it's why they're now taking til Summer to correct that...  They realize what they did wrong... Right there means we've achieved complete victory on that point.  They KNOW what they did wrong...

No matter how much you hate citadel kid, if they apply the same level of workmanship to everything coming that they've done to the game now on that basis we will get a good ending... I am confident enough with that to stake an Xbox 360 console on that.  I'll give it to Tami if they manage to completely screw up the ending now.  You heard that Bioware.  Tami's getting a 360 for her college dorm if you fubar this.. so don't!.  (I can put pictures up later.  It's a non-HDMI white 360 with a 120gb HDD, working - not xbl banned)

I'm still holding my wallet until this DLC drops.  That's my right as a customer and until I actually see it drop I'm not buying EA merch.. however I'm hopeful here that this will be a lesson in monumental PR screwups and design processes and they'll come out of this having learnt a valuable lesson.

So take heart my fellow liners.  This is an amazingly good thing.  I'll be happy to reply to comments/disagreements here.. enjoy the rest of your day!

Thank you, Computim. Thank you very much. This is a good view of what we just had at PAX.

[mr.surv]

That was clever move by BW.

Wait until PAX , one month after buying ME3. Now most of us can't give it back to shops ;/

[honourshield]

Heh, maybe 'the truth' dlc that was 'leaked' some time ago is true. that resurgence dlc thing had all the same class's there were in the leaked photo, said that it would be free, and that the ending stuff will come as an expansion to the game. also said endings would be highly personalised based on player decision and play on from players choice in the god child bit.

[GoldBTM25]

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Uhmm... I havnt been here for a few hours, what'd i miss?

Well, Joffrey wants to go to war against northeners, Daenerys is still wondering through desert, Cercei is in full lioness mode, putting Littlefinger to his place, the crows have moved beyond the wall and there are 5 kings in one kingdom.

As for the PAX panel, nothing, they did not adress the endings, just like they said.

Silver lining: GoT is still awesome

[Phoenix NL]

Bubi7 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...
Like I've always said, RETAKERS are the vocal minority.

Pax proves it!

wat

Just leave him be everyone, he's just trying to provoke everyone while emotions are high. Don't give him the satisfaction or yourselves the headache.

[Chatboy 91]

imelik wrote...

Anyone else in here that wants to get drunk right now because they feel sad and betrayed ?
I know i do. And i haven't had a drop of alcohol in 5 years. Way to go BW, way to go.

Hells to the yes. Probably mix some drinks later tonight. 

[XIzCarnageXIXZ]

why hold this line bioware are a broke record they say the same stuff we are listening we except your feedback wait till this date wait till that date

i need some time to my self to cool down be back later HOLD THE LINE i guess

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...
Well, Joffrey wants to go to war against northeners, Daenerys is still wondering through desert, Cercei is in full lioness mode, putting Littlefinger to his place, the crows have moved beyond the wall and there are 5 kings in one kingdom.

As for the PAX panel, nothing, they did not adress the endings, just like they said.

Is drunken MP still an option?

I ran out of booze, so no. Then again, I might be able to lose a few braincells by proximity to Minty's posts, so maybe not totally ruled out 

Modifié par Atrocity, 06 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

chmarr wrote...

ok heres some facts for you, the question moderator was chris, people had questions about ME3 endings and there was reports of people wearing the retake t-shirts being asked to leave.

some questions were refused by chris hence they were not asked.

some pax tweeters say that some of the questions were handed out by bioware staff, like who would want to know the stats of the game.

its now looking like bioware did not want to aknowlage the retake protest and openly rigged the questions by handing out question cards to random people who opposed the retake movment, some of the people who were in the retake ME3 were told they cannot ask any questions, or were asked to leave.

so yeah bioware rigged there OWN Q&A and had SOME people wearing the RETAKE t-shirts being asked to leave as they "did not want trouble"

well done bioware, you f**ked up again

OK, if this is true then the few shreds of respect that I had for Bioware are about to get shredded again before being diced on a chopping board, grounded into dust and set on fire.

I have already vowed not to buy any Bioware DLC until the ending is sorted out, but if the endings don't live up to all this hype that they have put into it then no more Bioware products shall ever be bought.

[NeverQuiteAwake]

Computim wrote...

Notice the talk about the indoctrination theory.. this part is particularly interesting to me.. the response was not a "Laugh - those fans be crazy" response..

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how, um, committed the fanbase is..." don't want to comment either way. Don't want to be prescriprive -- fans interpret their own way, plus DLC coming. "We want the content to speak for itself, and we'll let it do so"

That right there tells me that they may actually be planning the 'indoctrination theory' route.. they're not going to call it that though.. this screams more of "We can't talk about this or we'll lose our jobs" speak, not "Those fans be crazy".

Yes, I thought their response was interesting too. I expected them to say "Oh, our fans are so creative to come up with this theory" or whatever, but they didn't deny it outright. The way they replied makes it sound like the indoctrination theory could still be applied to the DLC? I'm not really sure what to make of it.