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[Balancer]

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Unfortunately the cynic in me expects that they'll 'fix' it with a DLC.

Not happening.

i dunno bethesda didnt think it would happen either:P

[GodWood]

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Unfortunately the cynic in me expects that they'll 'fix' it with a DLC.

Not happening.

Is that a 'you'd refuse to buy it' or is there evidence to suggest that they simply won't?

[Heather Cline]

I read about the BSG ending and in fact it wasn't positive at all. People were sent back in time on earth and the entire thing started all over again. It wasn't positive it was pretty much the cycle repeats itself ad infinitum. That's not positive that's pretty much crap.

Sorry but I don't like the BSG reboot ending and I don't like what Bioware is doing for the ME3 endings. Because you don't get to stay with friends or LI. You're totally screwed over either way you go.

[Nerevar-as]

Heather Cline wrote...

This is why I never watched the BSG series or it's spin off series. I hate bitter and crappy endings. It's why I won't play FF13-2 cause the official 100% complete ending for that game is bitter, crappy and ultimately the good guys DID NOT win. And there was no happy ending. I tire of sad endings and crappy endings. Hell real life we have enough death, destruction, sad endings every day. I want my books, tv shows, video games and other stuff to have a happy ending. It's called escapism into a fantasy world. Though Mass Effect is science fiction it is still a fantasy world created by someone. If I wanted to see a crappy ending I'd go and watch a family member commit suicide or watch someone get murdered.

I don't want this in my video games where the hero gets crapped on no matter which way they turn.

Actually BSG wasn´t that bad. At least most surviving characters got relatively happy endings, and I had already guessed they wouldn´t be able to rebuild their society when I noted Baltar was the only scientist left in the fleet.

The point that all the endings are kind of the same is what makes me doubt this is legit, but considering some of the errors of judgement BW has made recently I´m almost convinced the leaks are true.

[RolandX9]

Nerevar-as wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

I'm also getting a big BSG vibe from these endings. The loss of technology, stranded on a distant world, having to start over again, organic and synthetic merging...

Why do so many assume this? Do normal FTL physics go away too? AFAIK, it´s "only" the galaxy gets a lot bigger.

What is element zero?

This is a question I think a lot of us forget to ask. I'd forgotten this one for a long time myself. The theory is that it's created by, IIRC, supernovas (a bit like gold, I guess), but frankly, since eezo doesn't exist in our world, I have another theory: it's a synthetic element, created either by the Reapers or their original creators (note: this is a theory, not a spoiler). If element zero is dependent on, say, the existence of the Reapers to work, poof! No more mass relays, no more FTL drive, no more space travel. Most of the technology in Council space just...stops.

I really, really hope I'm wrong, mind you. This would bite big time. Still, it fits the lore.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Oh you f*cking haters you wanna play with your LI's then ask Bioware to make a interactive love making game and if you don't like the ending well that's just too bad for you, LI this and LI that i will just laugh my way through this thread when people rage.

To me it's not about LI's. I didn't even romance anyone. It's about Shepard being screwd over in all the endings.

Not if you live. Then it's just your crew that's screwed...

I guess Shepard opens up a can of beer and sips while saying "oh yeah, I saved the galaxy! Screw my crew!"

[turian councilor Knockout]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Oh you f*cking haters you wanna play with your LI's then ask Bioware to make a interactive love making game and if you don't like the ending well that's just too bad for you, LI this and LI that i will just laugh my way through this thread when people rage.

To me it's not about LI's. I didn't even romance anyone. It's about Shepard being screwd over in all the endings.

Not if you live. Then it's just your crew that's screwed...

Well the story of the lifetime, hey psycho have a fun time with the news 

[cerberus1701]

Complistic wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

The heroic sacrifice is the biggest, ****tiest cliche in the book.

Lay off the haterade.

Drink paragade!

Have fun drinking your paragade when your Shepard gets blown up/vaporized/isolated from everyone else and the Normandy crew decides to eat Tali and her chicken feet with a side of Liara's Blueberry waffle on that planet the crash on

The joke's on the Taliphages.  After they eat her (and Garrus, presumably) they die from dextro-amino poisoning.

Well, at least they all die together. Shep is gonna die alone, if he surives that is.

yeah, that's what I'm most upset about. You've got a lot of choices in handling the reapers, but for shepard it's pretty much A) Shepard dies. B)Shepard dies slowly.

wonderful.

Wait.

IF the leaks are accurate. IF Shep ends up stranded NEAR Earth, and also near the remnants of the fleets of the other races, it's a little silly to suggest that he's doomed.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Oh you f*cking haters you wanna play with your LI's then ask Bioware to make a interactive love making game and if you don't like the ending well that's just too bad for you, LI this and LI that i will just laugh my way through this thread when people rage.

To me it's not about LI's. I didn't even romance anyone. It's about Shepard being screwd over in all the endings.

Not if you live. Then it's just your crew that's screwed...

Well if you care about those characters, you're also kinda screwed  

[Omega-202]

I believe the leaks and I can't say I didn't think it was a distinct possibility.

This is a galactic war for survival. To even have the galactic community come out alive should be considered a miracle. In all honesty, if they had a no-win scenario where the Reapers won and continued the cycle no matter what you did, I would have accepted that as inevitable and not complained in the slightest.

We need to see the full game before getting upset. How can we know that the sacrifices aren't really for the best? If you had the option of a happy ending with everyone riding off into the sunset, why would you choose anything else? Everyone would strive for the same ending. But by having differing degrees of bittersweet endings, you allow people to choose a destiny based on their beliefs.

[ratzerman]

GodWood wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Unfortunately the cynic in me expects that they'll 'fix' it with a DLC.

Not happening.

Is that a 'you'd refuse to buy it' or is there evidence to suggest that they simply won't?

At Gamescom, Mike Gamble said that all DLC will take place during the campaign, since the ending provided "closure."

Of course, that was last year. 

[wright1978]

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Unfortunately the cynic in me expects that they'll 'fix' it with a DLC.

Not happening.

Is that a 'you'd refuse to buy it' or is there evidence to suggest that they simply won't?

At Gamescom, Mike Gamble said that all DLC will take place during the campaign, since the ending provided "closure."

Of course, that was last year. 

I can't believe DLC will sell well if the endings are true. I certainly won't buy as i doubt i'll be interested in replaying a game where every road leads to the same disappointing rome no matter what.

[adneate]

ratzerman wrote...
At Gamescom, Mike Gamble said that all DLC will take place during the campaign, since the ending provided "closure."

I can't possibly imagine how any of the DLC could even be remotely marketable with an ending like this, since it renders everything you could do pointless in the end. Who cares about helping anyone in the end everyone is just as screwed.

[Elegana]

I'm more pissed about the fact that everything Shepard has done, from gathering allies and weapons to romancing someone, only to die in vain or living by himself/herself while the Normandy crew is stranded somewhere. Even after ALL the side missions, mineral gathering, punching, pistol whipping, killing mercs, buying weapons and armor, etc... Shepard either dies or lives miserably. Yes, it's realistic, but it's a giant FU to everyone. It's like saying "Oh, you did so much! Here's your reward: DEATH!".

I really hope BioWare releases an alternate endings DLC like Bethesda did with Fallout 3 or everything we've been told by the Space Edition people... was a lie. It could be a huge scheme where anyone who got a space copy was told to troll the fans by answering the questions and complimenting everything. Hell, Tank from SA forums could secretly be a dev, giving small tips to help us, but at the same time, feeding us false info to throw us off. I'm not saying that's true; it's hypothetical.

But if BioWare planned to have bad endings, knowing a lot of their fans would be upset, and released an alternate endings DLC packaged with some other things, then that's a damn good business scheme.

[Heather Cline]

omega yeah many of us would. but if they could include a ending where you at least survived the war with your LI as one of the optional endings it would be something many of us would want. i'm not saying that destroying the mass relays and what not isn't a viable option. what i'm saying is that for a decent ending our shepard should at the very least if they survive end up with their LI. maybe stranded on a planet together while everyone else is doing whatever on other planets. either way at least in the ending your shepard survives they end up with their LI. it's not a perfect ending, it's not the super happy everyone survives ending. but it's an ending that would satisfy many fans.

[SnackinZack]

I'm with Omega 202. Assuming all this is true, what if the writers who are more clever than I, make these stranded characters discoverable/recruitable in a new installment? I dunno how, that's why I'm not a writer, but this could be a set up for some new adventures in ME5 (Assuming ME4 goes prequel like the rumors say . Anywho, for those who are kepeing their pre-order, see you launch day

[magnuskn]

adneate wrote...

I can't possibly imagine how any of the DLC could even be remotely marketable with an ending like this, since it renders everything you could do pointless in the end. Who cares about helping anyone in the end everyone is just as screwed.

Pretty much this. Makes you wonder how the writers ( and higher-ups ) decision making process worked.

Head writer: So, we'll make a crushingly depressing ending for Shepard! And then another! And another! And as a super-hard to achieve ending, we'll give the fans ANOTHER crushingly depressive ending!

The Doctors: Genius! That will sell lots of DLC! Fans will be so motivated to replay the game and spend more money on their teammates looks! And it will build confidence into our next games! People will really invest themselves in them, knowing that their choices matter not a bit and that their characters will also be crushed! Make it so!


I mean, WTF? How do f*** a franchise this much up? It's just mind-bogglingly stupid.

[cerberus1701]

Heather Cline wrote...

I read about the BSG ending and in fact it wasn't positive at all. People were sent back in time on earth and the entire thing started all over again. It wasn't positive it was pretty much the cycle repeats itself ad infinitum. That's not positive that's pretty much crap.

Sorry but I don't like the BSG reboot ending and I don't like what Bioware is doing for the ME3 endings. Because you don't get to stay with friends or LI. You're totally screwed over either way you go.

First off, they didn't "get sent back in time." That's the time they were living in to start with.

Second, the difference being, in all the previous cycles, they kept all or part of their tech. This time, they dumped all of it. Made a clean slate. To the point where the "angels" state that not even "God" knows what's going to happen.

Most everyone found a home and have a real chance of breaking the cycle. It's up to them.

Sounds hopeful to me.

As for ME3? So what  if you're screwed over? Since when was this ever really about you? Shep has spent the entire trilogy, not only trying to save others but has always essentially been in the position of martyr.

So if the leaks are correct, either way, he/she actually has to martyr themselves instead of dancing around it for two games.

Where have you been all this time?

[GodWood]

ratzerman wrote...
At Gamescom, Mike Gamble said that all DLC will take place during the campaign, since the ending provided "closure."

Of course, that was last year. 

I'm sure with enough fan wangst they'll change that.

I'd point to Fallout 3 but that was a genuinely crappy ending.

adneate wrote...
I can't possibly imagine how any of the DLC could even be remotely marketable with an ending like this, since it renders everything you could do pointless in the end. Who cares about helping anyone in the end everyone is just as screwed.

[SurelyForth]

I can't see how the entire Normandy crew getting stranded is anything but a thing that BW wanted to do in order to keep any ending from being "too happy". As someone mentioned upthread, one of the recurring themes of ME has been Shepard as a leader, Shepard as someone who has the ability to make people rally around her and want to die for the cause she's willing to die for. The loss of the relays and ****eduppedness that comes from that sucks, but it's a realistic price to pay in order to stop the Reapers. Shepard dying/being killed in the process of dealing with the Reapers also makes sense. However, to me, Shepard being without at least part of her squad in the end (and her squad being relegated to some intergalactic backwater, where they may or may not be able to survive) seems like a kick in the teeth for the sake of kicking teeth and that's what annoys me the most about these endings.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 février 2012 - 08:22 .

[Badpie]

I really hope that's only one of several possible endings. For several reasons. If the leak is even to be believed I mean.

1. BSG already did this. And they did it well. I'll be immensely disappointed in the writers if they rehash the same "life starting from scratch" trope.

2. If there's no "good" ending, meaning at least no slightly happy ending for Shepard then Bioware will have fallen into the trap I feared, where "emotionally engaging" means that the only emotion they wish you to feel is crushing despair. It's exploitation and good storytelling shouldn't have to be so heavy handed.

Obviously I'm reserving my judgement for when I actually play the game, but if I'm four hours in and all I feel is crippling depression it's unlikely I'll even finish it. I dislike being beaten over the head with something obvious.

[PyroByte]

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Unfortunately the cynic in me expects that they'll 'fix' it with a DLC.

Not happening.

Is that a 'you'd refuse to buy it' or is there evidence to suggest that they simply won't?

At Gamescom, Mike Gamble said that all DLC will take place during the campaign, since the ending provided "closure."

Of course, that was last year. 

Hang onto your Mass Effect 3 saves

BioWare suggests you should not delete your Mass Effect save files when
you complete the final game in the trilogy next month. "It wouldn't be a
bad idea (to keep your ME3 saves)" said Associate Producer Mike Gamble
in an interview with GamerZines. "Obviously I can't say anything, but it
wouldn't be a bad idea..." www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/02/03/hang-onto-your-mass-effect-3-saves.aspx

and another source:

[...]
He added, "It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep your ME3 saves. The future is wide open."
[...]
www.play.tm/news/34721/mass-effect-series-will-go-on-probably/

[Confused-Shepard]

I am actually okay with this. The perfect response to all the ****ing & whining on BSN

[Sylvianus]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I am actually okay with this. The perfect response to all the ****ing & whining on BSN

Do not worry, nobody cares.

[cerberus1701]

hitorihanzo wrote...

If this is true, then I'm going to do to BioWare what I did to the Wachowski Bros. when I saw the end of Matrix Revolutions: cut them off. I'll be done with BioWare for good because having only bad endings is so... self-absorbed on the part of the writers. It's the same principle that doomed the writing for DA2. That whole "This is the story we want to tell, regardless of if it translates well," bull**** that I have seen since "Lost"....

So I'm guessing Misery is one of your favorite films?

You know, the one where Kathy Bates, a longtime fan, holds the author hostage until he tells the story SHE wants told?