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[chmarr]

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[onyx0218]

Computim wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Ok, problem is they said they heard what we asked for, but were just like "no, we aren't going to do that. We'll do what we feel is best."
This is what makes it hard for me to stay level headed... They are basically saying our feedback doesn't really effect anything, and that they will give us a little more closure on THEIR endings to shut us up. And plus the whole thing about them rigging the PAX Q&A is a little disconserning...

Not really.. they're leaving the key points in there, which I have no problem with, it IS still their story.

However they are going to explain those parts that they gave us that DIDN'T make sense.. they're going to make an effort to do proper storytelling.. which is, in the end, all we're asking for.. we're not asking them to make the ending that we've giving them, we're asking them to give us an ending that follows their usual level of quality and effort that the rest of the game had.

The theatre they were in was designed for 400-600 people, they managed to squeeze in nearly 1200 according to the reports.. the overflow outside was huge, they wanted to let people in that had costumes and stuff, and IF they turned away people just in protest outfits and regular clothes I can see why that would upset people, but at the same time if you spent 4 weeks on a costume and came to PAX to be at this event and then got turned away because a couple guys bought a Marauder Shields t-shirt off the net and were wearing it just to protest an ending it really isn't fair to the people who busted their butts to make costumes... and I can agree with that even though it would have put me at a disadvantage.

Ok, costumes, yadda yadda yadda, they can do that at a costume event. Dont have the costume session be part of the information Q&A. that just seems like another way to shorten their own stage time so that the questions that concern fans dont come up.

I may be rambling, and I apologize if i seem ignorant/stubborn/etc. but I am just passionate about what i think and am aggitated with all the information that has appeared...

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

B33ker wrote...

Part of me wonders if BW will just read over all the IT stuff that people wrote and posted, gut it and use it as DLC claiming it's what they were planning all along.......saving them the problem of finding a solution by taking someone else's.

Do I want to think BW would do it? No.

Do I think EA would do it? Oh hell yes.

See I almost get the opposite from this last week...

Bioware is arguing artistic integrity, and EA is saying "GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT!"
EA is trying to get their origin platform off the ground.. that's a major major strategic goal for vertically integrating their retail chain.  It has far more ramifications for them, and for gamers than Bioware's artistic integrity.

Bioware replied "No." and excused it with Artistic Integrity."

So EA had a press release, unannounced on a Thursday morning about a new DLC... before even Mass Effect's Twitter people knew it was coming out... seems to me some interoffice politics... but I'm not sure.

I felt the same way. Especially because the news came first from EA rather than Bioware, and everything up until now had come from Bioware either here on their official website. 
Also, the news came right after they won the title of the worst company...


But I am now done with my conspiracy theories 

[Alex_Dur4and]

I'm starting to understand a little bit better now... Preserving artistic integrity...

I think this probably means;

<< We planned something (INDOCTRINATION) since the beginning... We left you so many clues so you could figure that out by yourselves. We don't want to change that!

We might give you a longer ending with maybe more clues and unique variation so you can stand still and relax... But it still is going to stay an indoctrination attempt!

Don't worry! It's not the last time you will hear from Commander Shepard. He still needs to take out the trash! (or the Alliance... maybe...) If you knew what we had planned for you, you would not have reacted so agressively...

Anyway, we still thank you for the attention and publicity. No! We will not comment (confirm) the indoctrination theory... Silly people... It's a surprise! >>

I tried to read between the lines... This is what I came up with.

I'm still 100% convinced about indoctrination!

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

chmarr wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Omg. I want to play this Shepard. And be a renegade:devil:

http://2.media.dorkl...e442b7275d5.jpg

that looks like sisko from deep space 9

Samuel L Jackson Snakes on a Plane quote haha.

I just noticed this Shepard has a lot of paragon points...what is going on?! Samuel L Jackson cannot be paragon! 

[chmarr]

in all honesty i think we gave BW the perfect DLC and the perfect storyline.

what do i mean, well it was us that came up with the indoc theory and BW dident have a clue, but NOW they have all the ideas and now know what to do and they can mod / edit / alter there DLC to match

[Shadow2G]

Cant Planet wrote...

Snip
....

I knew one set of brothers with an original Atari, another with an original Intellivision, and I had a Colecovision. We would basically rotate whose house to hang out at to waste our sunny afternoons.

^This. Only I had the Intellivision.

[Computim]

onyx0218 wrote...

Computim wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Ok, problem is they said they heard what we asked for, but were just like "no, we aren't going to do that. We'll do what we feel is best."
This is what makes it hard for me to stay level headed... They are basically saying our feedback doesn't really effect anything, and that they will give us a little more closure on THEIR endings to shut us up. And plus the whole thing about them rigging the PAX Q&A is a little disconserning...

Not really.. they're leaving the key points in there, which I have no problem with, it IS still their story.

However they are going to explain those parts that they gave us that DIDN'T make sense.. they're going to make an effort to do proper storytelling.. which is, in the end, all we're asking for.. we're not asking them to make the ending that we've giving them, we're asking them to give us an ending that follows their usual level of quality and effort that the rest of the game had.

The theatre they were in was designed for 400-600 people, they managed to squeeze in nearly 1200 according to the reports.. the overflow outside was huge, they wanted to let people in that had costumes and stuff, and IF they turned away people just in protest outfits and regular clothes I can see why that would upset people, but at the same time if you spent 4 weeks on a costume and came to PAX to be at this event and then got turned away because a couple guys bought a Marauder Shields t-shirt off the net and were wearing it just to protest an ending it really isn't fair to the people who busted their butts to make costumes... and I can agree with that even though it would have put me at a disadvantage.

Ok, costumes, yadda yadda yadda, they can do that at a costume event. Dont have the costume session be part of the information Q&A. that just seems like another way to shorten their own stage time so that the questions that concern fans dont come up.

I may be rambling, and I apologize if i seem ignorant/stubborn/etc. but I am just passionate about what i think and am aggitated with all the information that has appeared...

No worries, we're all passionate or we wouldn't be here.

It's unlikely they could have had separate events.  PAX is a tightly packed schedule jockeyed for by a ton of developers.. everyone is there and they pay dearly for space.  At the time of booking the Manticore theatre was probably all they figured they would need..... I guarantee they didn't foresee the Mass Revolution.

[CitizenSnips28]

So I'm a BIT more hopeful. They're putting more effort into this than a couple of scenes. At least they seem to be and the release date probably a couple months from now would seem to indicate it. That said I'm a bit tipsy and when I'm tipsy, I become very happy and positive. Speaking of which... -hugs each and every smelly one of you- You guys have been great through all of this. Whether we actually won anything or not here, I'm pretty sure we set a president and hopefully no game company will try to pull these craptacular endings again in the near future! Yay us! As for the age talk, I was born the same year ET came out so oldish but not oldest. Go me

[onyx0218]

Computim wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Also, there are pieces in this article that are wrong. 1) there is going to be NO new gameplay, that confirmed this. 2) all the major parts of the ending (I.E. the normandy situation, the godchild, the mass relays) are still going to be there. 3) It is not new endings, simply revisions of the current ones with a couple extra scenes to "help make our desisions feel like they matter." the fact that all the problems of the original ending is this there proves that this is completely pointless.

Not an article.  But thanks for your compliment haha.

They said the Extended Cut will not change the ending.. However their tweets, and comments today said that there is more DLC coming and they'll let it speak for itself.. that was in the same comment as the indoctrination theory reply.. which could very well mean that the ending may have more revealed in other DLC packages as well...  they're not done yet... they've made that clear if nothing else.

That was the sole basis for the comments on the new stuff... I agree they're not going to just IT the extended cut, but they may have IT bits later on, who knows, they don't even know yet.. and if that was along the lines of the story they originally had, which we don't know or if they decide the story goes that direction, which happens all the time, it could go that way... and I think that's why the producer made the comments he did.. he DIDN'T know what tey're doing yet and the IT made sense.

Your welcome for the compliment But even if what you say is true, that means they broke the law by selling an incomplete product (at least from what I've heard of such law). Add-ons are different, but if they release DLC that provides different endings to the core story, then that are also screwed. So even if they did do that and give us that satisfaction, then they would be getting ridiculed for selling something that was not complete.

[-PG-Skyre]

Haha my fiance just finished the ME series (she wanted to see why everyone was pissed off).
She just looked at me puzzled and gave the usual "what the f**k just happened?". Priceless.
Also, her exact words to me after that was "See, this is why I've only played their games from before EA took over".

[onyx0218]

Computim wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Computim wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Ok, problem is they said they heard what we asked for, but were just like "no, we aren't going to do that. We'll do what we feel is best."
This is what makes it hard for me to stay level headed... They are basically saying our feedback doesn't really effect anything, and that they will give us a little more closure on THEIR endings to shut us up. And plus the whole thing about them rigging the PAX Q&A is a little disconserning...

Not really.. they're leaving the key points in there, which I have no problem with, it IS still their story.

However they are going to explain those parts that they gave us that DIDN'T make sense.. they're going to make an effort to do proper storytelling.. which is, in the end, all we're asking for.. we're not asking them to make the ending that we've giving them, we're asking them to give us an ending that follows their usual level of quality and effort that the rest of the game had.

The theatre they were in was designed for 400-600 people, they managed to squeeze in nearly 1200 according to the reports.. the overflow outside was huge, they wanted to let people in that had costumes and stuff, and IF they turned away people just in protest outfits and regular clothes I can see why that would upset people, but at the same time if you spent 4 weeks on a costume and came to PAX to be at this event and then got turned away because a couple guys bought a Marauder Shields t-shirt off the net and were wearing it just to protest an ending it really isn't fair to the people who busted their butts to make costumes... and I can agree with that even though it would have put me at a disadvantage.

Ok, costumes, yadda yadda yadda, they can do that at a costume event. Dont have the costume session be part of the information Q&A. that just seems like another way to shorten their own stage time so that the questions that concern fans dont come up.

I may be rambling, and I apologize if i seem ignorant/stubborn/etc. but I am just passionate about what i think and am aggitated with all the information that has appeared...

No worries, we're all passionate or we wouldn't be here.

It's unlikely they could have had separate events.  PAX is a tightly packed schedule jockeyed for by a ton of developers.. everyone is there and they pay dearly for space.  At the time of booking the Manticore theatre was probably all they figured they would need..... I guarantee they didn't foresee the Mass Revolution.

Well really the whole treatment of the fans at pax was a side note i mentioned. The real thing that bothers me is this just seems like something they are throwing out to cool the flames. Sure, the fact that it isn't coming until summer could mean they are legitimately adding to it. But it could also be a ploy to simply try and cool the fans. I mean summer is a ways away, plenty of time for people to foget about it and move on. Gamers tend to have short attention spans unless they are playing a game.

[TamiBx]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Haha my fiance just finished the ME series (she wanted to see why everyone was pissed off).
She just looked at me puzzled and gave the usual "what the f**k just happened?". Priceless.
Also, her exact words to me after that was "See, this is why I've only played their games from before EA took over".

We've all been there, but...should've shown this to her: 

http://i1.kym-cdn.co...279/503/afb.jpg

[infinitekilan]

I need to find a new hobby. Perhaps the thousands of dollars I regularly funnel into gaming can be better spent elsewhere, on something that won't necessarily give me carpal tunnel. Like... modding my car.

[chmarr]

Computim wrote...

B33ker wrote...

Part of me wonders if BW will just read over all the IT stuff that people wrote and posted, gut it and use it as DLC claiming it's what they were planning all along.......saving them the problem of finding a solution by taking someone else's.

Do I want to think BW would do it? No.

Do I think EA would do it? Oh hell yes.

See I almost get the opposite from this last week...

Bioware is arguing artistic integrity, and EA is saying "GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT!"
EA is trying to get their origin platform off the ground.. that's a major major strategic goal for vertically integrating their retail chain.  It has far more ramifications for them, and for gamers than Bioware's artistic integrity.

Bioware replied "No." and excused it with Artistic Integrity."

So EA had a press release, unannounced on a Thursday morning about a new DLC... before even Mass Effect's Twitter people knew it was coming out... seems to me some interoffice politics... but I'm not sure.

i think EA for this time only demand that there employee's do as there told or face getting fired, this is something that can actually make or break a big company.

this time and this time only i can support EA for this, we have bioware who are refusing point blank to cater to the main corefans requests and claiming "artist integrity".

by claiming that same reason over and over again means they dont have any, they cant even explane why some of the things that were confirmed as cannon in ME2 now dont apply in ME3 such as the exploding relays.

EA this time and this time only i feel have forced bioware to shut the fu*k p and do as there told

[Computim]

onyx0218 wrote...

Your welcome for the compliment But even if what you say is true, that means they broke the law by selling an incomplete product (at least from what I've heard of such law). Add-ons are different, but if they release DLC that provides different endings to the core story, then that are also screwed. So even if they did do that and give us that satisfaction, then they would be getting ridiculed for selling something that was not complete.

Well it's technically not an incomplete product... a crappy one with the endings they gave us, but definitely not incomplete.  It has a beginning, middle and end.  The quality of the product may be lacking due to the end, but we don't send people to jail or fine them for releasing the Matrix endings.... especailly under Canadian law and I'm pretty sure US law.

I get what you're saying though.  It sucks, and would be a bit of a kick in the gut if it turned out they planned this all along.. but I'd much rather be the victim of shady marketing practices then to be left with taking an ending to the knee.

Hold the line.  Glad you have you on it!

Modifié par Computim, 07 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[onyx0218]

Computim wrote...

onyx0218 wrote...

Your welcome for the compliment But even if what you say is true, that means they broke the law by selling an incomplete product (at least from what I've heard of such law). Add-ons are different, but if they release DLC that provides different endings to the core story, then that are also screwed. So even if they did do that and give us that satisfaction, then they would be getting ridiculed for selling something that was not complete.

Well it's technically not an incomplete product... a crappy one with the endings they gave us, but definitely not incomplete.  It has a beginning, middle and end.  The quality of the product may be lacking due to the end, but we don't send people to jail or fine them for releasing the Matrix endings.... especailly under Canadian law and I'm pretty sure US law.

I get what you're saying though.  It sucks, and would be a bit of a kick in the gut if it turned out they planned this all along.. but I'd much rather be the victim of shady marketing practices then to be left with taking an ending to the knee.

Hold the line.  Glad you have you on it!

Ah, to your last line.... I really appreciate the thought, but I'm afraid I am leaving the line until i get some faith for Bioware back.

So with that, good luck to you all. I will still be watching the forums, and commenting, but as for being an active protestor... I just feel de-motivated after what Bioware has announced to everyone, so I am taking shore leave.

Hold the Line, be stronger than I am, and GIVE THEM NO QUARTER!

[Computim]

onyx0218 wrote...

Well really the whole treatment of the fans at pax was a side note i mentioned. The real thing that bothers me is this just seems like something they are throwing out to cool the flames. Sure, the fact that it isn't coming until summer could mean they are legitimately adding to it. But it could also be a ploy to simply try and cool the fans. I mean summer is a ways away, plenty of time for people to foget about it and move on. Gamers tend to have short attention spans unless they are playing a game.

Oh it definitely is.  They admitted that.

"We want to keep you guys happy and keep the discs in the trays, essentially." -- discussing free DLC

But that's okay.. they are a business.. we're just asking them to act like one in regards to complaints too, which I think they're finally doing.. it took them a few weeks and some really angry .. okay a LOT of really angry fans/customers but they are definitely listening and acting... do I think they're doing everything they could?  No.. but am I doing everything I could? No.... my army of stormtroopers is still orbiting in the deathstar... I haven't sent them to Edmonton yet.

It's definitely attempting to calm us down.. which is fine.. that means we're happy, which is what they should be doing

[Oldbones2]

chmarr wrote...

Computim wrote...

B33ker wrote...

Part of me wonders if BW will just read over all the IT stuff that people wrote and posted, gut it and use it as DLC claiming it's what they were planning all along.......saving them the problem of finding a solution by taking someone else's.

Do I want to think BW would do it? No.

Do I think EA would do it? Oh hell yes.

See I almost get the opposite from this last week...

Bioware is arguing artistic integrity, and EA is saying "GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT!"
EA is trying to get their origin platform off the ground.. that's a major major strategic goal for vertically integrating their retail chain.  It has far more ramifications for them, and for gamers than Bioware's artistic integrity.

Bioware replied "No." and excused it with Artistic Integrity."

So EA had a press release, unannounced on a Thursday morning about a new DLC... before even Mass Effect's Twitter people knew it was coming out... seems to me some interoffice politics... but I'm not sure.

i think EA for this time only demand that there employee's do as there told or face getting fired, this is something that can actually make or break a big company.

this time and this time only i can support EA for this, we have bioware who are refusing point blank to cater to the main corefans requests and claiming "artist integrity".

by claiming that same reason over and over again means they dont have any, they cant even explane why some of the things that were confirmed as cannon in ME2 now dont apply in ME3 such as the exploding relays.

EA this time and this time only i feel have forced bioware to shut the fu*k p and do as there told

As I have said repeatedly, we can get EA to change this ending.  The only thing they care about it money.

Bioware wants to feel superior to all of us, so they don't want to change a thing.


You know what really pisses me off though.

That Bioware knows for sure that at least 60,000 of their fans hated the ending.  And the are by and large completely OK with this fact.

What happened to the company that wanted to make a perfect game?  Where is the company that wouldn't settle for less than perfection?

[TamiBx]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

So Mac is on twitter, asking whether Mass Effect is art or entertainment.

Launching a preemptive strike, are we?

The minute ME becomes art is the minute I put Twilight up for Best Picture.

Edit: That was harsh...

^ I found this all the way back in page 260 or something (posted about a month ago)

Someone was predicting their response back then...

[Chewbacca99]

Computim wrote...

kewnsty wrote...

aany word from atg hunter? or forbes? id love to hear their opinions on pax.

Long weekend.. I haven't heard from ATG in a couple weeks, Forbes is probably enjoying their long weekend.

http://www.holdtheli...ours.57/page-20

[Iconoclaste]

I just watched the PAX videos on Youtube. Then I googled around for varia, I stumbled upon this :

http://doee.us/?p=520

If irony ever needed a description...

[Computim]

TamiBx wrote...

^ I found this all the way back in page 260 or something (posted about a month ago)

Someone was predicting their response back then...

We don't know who fired the first shot... but we know the response was swift and without hesitation, and Bioware was overrun in a matter of weeks resulting in the New Gamer Empire.

[TamiBx]

Computim wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

^ I found this all the way back in page 260 or something (posted about a month ago)

Someone was predicting their response back then...

We don't know who fired the first shot... but we know the response was swift and without hesitation, and Bioware was overrun in a matter of weeks resulting in the New Gamer Empire.

This was also a couple of pages back...

http://i905.photobuc...4EffectLogo.jpg

I'm trying to find my first post, because I can't remember what exactly I said...

Modifié par TamiBx, 07 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[DJBare]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I just watched the PAX videos on Youtube. Then I googled around for varia, I stumbled upon this :

http://doee.us/?p=520

If irony ever needed a description...

Oh that needs quoting! I'm laughing!

Mass Effect 3′s writer Casey Hudson tweeted “i spent minutes reading this review only to be completely ripped off by the worst ending ever i wanted to read a rievew of the game and he starts talking about his exwife and his kid. My dog can write a better review”

Modifié par DJBare, 07 avril 2012 - 04:08 .