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Bionic Weapon wrote...

noobcannon wrote...
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Not gonna jump the gun here, but this can mean two things, either more dialouge via cutscenes with the VA's or more controllable gameplay and dialouge with said VA's.

We shall see in due time.


figured it was worth posting since there were concerns floating around about va's being in the dark.

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My reaction to the dlc ending announcement :P



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Having got up watched the vids that recorded the events at PAX, watched Angry Joe's video and just read atghunter's take on The Extended Cut I'm probably more skeptical than I was yesterday.

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noobcannon wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

noobcannon wrote...
*snip*



Not gonna jump the gun here, but this can mean two things, either more dialouge via cutscenes with the VA's or more controllable gameplay and dialouge with said VA's.

We shall see in due time.


figured it was worth posting since there were concerns floating around about va's being in the dark.


Yeah thanks for that. Heres hoping its good if they are bringing the VA crew back.

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lol well good night guys stay strong I'm going to get some sleep and then come back and edit my posts so they make since.

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I just feel like punching a wall, or some similar motion.

Just got off the Game Informer website after reading the comments section for several minutes.

I mean, I'm all for it if you enjoyed the ending. One of my best friends loved it, thinking it was about Bioware's insistence of a darker ending. Not about the destruction, mind you, but thinking that nothing really changed. You actions are meaningless in the end, as organics will try again to build the Reapers (eventually), so you don't have a choice that reflects your prior actions. He liked it. I'm cool with that.

But on those forums I saw a thousand Colin Moriarty's. People saying that we're not fans because of our rebellion. That we are idiots for not understanding the true genius here. A million other things that demonize every individual disliking the ending.

I have tried to be civil in every discourse I have had. I accept that others felt differently about it. I endorse it even. Allows for interesting debates. But those forums are endless smash fests, hatred and vitriol to match the crazies on this forum. It's like watching Fox News vs. MSNBC.

I am not a fan. If this is speculation in action, I just can't agree with that result.

#75282
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chmarr wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Hang tough, lads, now's the time to keep our numbers, they did exactly as expected, there wasn't much chance of getting anything from them there, even they have no f**king idea what the hell they are doing right now. What we need to do is keep our numbers high, get more numbers, and continue to flood them. Now is our last chance to win, so let's not waste it with "but EA said...", now is the time to show them we are still as furious as we always have been. I don't expect them to do whatever we say, mind you, I don't expect a banker to give me a loan so I can get a house, that doesn't mean I sit at my doorstep in tears, it means that I don't stop, because it's only when we give up that we lose. Look at what we have achieved:

We split the game reviewing industry in two, gained the support of not just gaming sites, but even political sites in our campaign against them

We gave nearly $100,000 dollars to those who needed it.

We managed to shake EAs cold, heartless core, dropping their stocks when they should have been rising.

We have united over 60,000 people to our cause, sent tens of thousands of letters to Bioware in mail-campaigns,

we even sent the undeserving little buggers cupcakes.

You look at all that and tell me we didn't strike them hard. Now think: it's not over, even if we end up losing the support of some of the sites, we still have strength. If any of you are fighting only for yourself, shame on you, this isn't about what we want, this is about the future of not just the franchise, not just Bioware and EA, but the future of gaming itself. If we fail, we set back the evolution of the gaming industry entire years. THAT is why mustn't stop, 'cause I don't want to tell my children when they grow up that the games they're playing are f**ked up pieces of nuclear refuse because we gave in to a man in a suit. I don't want to watch as hundreds of other developers turn around and realise that they can get away with this s**t because we couldn't stop one company from doing it.

THAT is why we need everyone, EVERYTHING we can possibly get on our side, that is why you all need to get everyone and anyone you know who is even a little bit dis-satisfied with this and get them in our numbers. We are no longer messing around with one franchise, the world is watching, and the results will govern what happens to the future of this once-great industry.

Hold the line!


what we have done is send the entire game developing world a wake up call.

we were being watched by people from a tiny fanblog right upto financal and political institutions that have power.

we were also watched by nearly every major game developer.

what we are doing is making all the game companys wake up and relise that were not "entitled brats" but and actual community of people from diffrent backgrounds.
we have people here from diffrent religions
we have people who have diffrent skin colour
we have people here who are from diffrent nationaltys
we have people who are in diffrent age groups

what we have is a multinational, multicultrual community who have all came togeather for a proven worthwhile cause, a cause that we have spent hundreds of hours working on and we have all grown emtionaly to our shepard.

so emtionaly have we grown some of us actually cried when mordin and legion gave there life to save lifes.
and if the story went the other way some of us cried when tali killed herself.

we are people who care for what we do even tho we all know its a game we still cared for the charators in it on an emtional level.

so yes we have done much much more than we ever expected.

just think, we might be the start of a brand new gaming revolution and not even know it, a revolution where the gamers have a say in the development of games


And that's why we can't lose, this revolution won't happen if EA win, and then that will get companies even more daring, and then they'll follow in EAs footsteps of half-finishing games, not fixing major issues or plot parts, then spitting it out. This happening to one game is enough, I don't think anyone but EA wants an entire generation of this.

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I've been away for a long time, and i wonder if somebody might send me a PM about what the news are...

I see we've reached the 3 thousand pages, as there been any answer from some writers at BioWare other then the same old " oh deal with it, it was brilliant " thing?

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CaptnObvious wrote...

I've been away for a long time, and i wonder if somebody might send me a PM about what the news are...

I see we've reached the 3 thousand pages, as there been any answer from some writers at BioWare other then the same old " oh deal with it, it was brilliant " thing?


An Extended Cut DLC has been revealed, a free download which will clarify the existing endings.

Also, free multiplayer maps coming soon. And a big interaction at PAX earlier today. Lots of comments that are being picked over relentlessly in the hope something hopeful will be found.

Modifié par Talcon Warrior, 07 avril 2012 - 07:15 .


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Talcon Warrior wrote...

An Extended Cut DLC has been revealed, a free download which will clarify the existing endings.

Also, free multiplayer maps coming soon. And a big interaction at PAX earlier today. Lots of comments that are being picked over relentlessly in the hope something hopeful will be found.


Thanks, i didn't expect an answer so quick!

Anyway, so, they're just basically plugging the holes, and not giving anything new?

Eh, i guess our hopes are in PAX now, huh?

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Helishorn wrote...

Dude...Skyrim? I mean its a pretty game sure but its basically oblivion with a few changes but still lacking that depth that a good RPG should have. Just a few things but there was a complete lack of diversity in creatures, armor, and weapons. Although the dungeons are cool and better than oblivion you tend to fight the same creatures in every single one. I think i did a count and for a huge open world there are only about 20 creatures in it not including the races of course. And the combat...dear god...it could put you to sleep it was so repetitive. Could they atleast spend the same amount of time fixing the combat as they did trying to make their game look pretty?.

The quest system is Meh at best, repetitive and dull same as oblivion except this time you have an infinite number repetitive and dull quests due to their new questing system. All the quests that you get can only be done in one way as well. People complain about lack of choice in mass effect should not play Skyrim because you get two choices...take the quest or don't take it. Not to mention the guilds are a joke and really only useful for getting the slightly better gear which is set at the level you get it at so is useless if you get it to eairly in the game. After that the guilds have no real use in the game (except the theifs guild as its the only way you can get merchents with a higher buy limit..ok you can get your presuasion up but still there are better skills to get i think). It would have been nice to at least have a few missions that allow you to feel like a fracking guild master though. I mean really...your the master of the thief's guild and your subordinants are sending you out to pick some zero's pocket??? No...you are the the master and should be sending lackeys out to do stuff and taking a cut of the gold!

Also can you say no actual growth of the economy even though you're constantly dumping thousands of dollars in magic weapons into it after each dungeon? Cant tell you how much I love getting a magic weapon that is worth 6k and trying to sell it to a merchant who only ever has a set 2-4k gold on them. Ended up with 100+ items at the end of the game i could not sell without taking a huge loss on money. You could buy everything from the merchents every day for a week and they only ever have their base gold on hand to buy things. I could understand if i was looking arround and saw improvemnts to the shop or something but no...nothing..your money matters as much as your choices do to the ending of ME3. Not to mention if i wanted to sell all the items i pull from a few dungeon quest i would have to spend hours traveling to every merchent in the game...wheres the mudcrab merchent when you need it!! Has the developer learned nothing since morrowind?

I could keep going on and on but in short it's a completely vanilla RPG game that is lack luster when you get over the stunning graphics. It feels like the took oblivion, gave it some features from morrowind, added a thing here and there, and then made it pretty so people would not notice. The only saving grace of the game that I see is that the modding community is fracking great. Some of the things they build are incredible and really the only reason that I go back to the game now and then. Sure the designers put out a thing here and there but some of the stuff they do feels like it should have been in the game from the start...out of the box and without the recent improvement the game can only use 2 gigs of ram? really? No HD texture mode unless you download the 'oops forgot to add that to the game from the start' texture pack...etc..

And as for Witcher!...ok well its good although i don't really like the potion mechanics much but there are some nice mods that fix that up easy enough.

Anyway sorry for the derailment ill now let you get back to your hate of all things to do with the last 10 minuets of mass effect 3...already in progress :)



tl;dr so I'll bullet point.

1) Combat was quite good for an RPG. Mass Effect's combat isn't RPG, its a 3rd person shooter Gears knock off. This is made obvious by playing ME1 with stat adjusting equipment, status conditions and indepth level up system. Also ME3 had even fewer enemies than Skyrim.

2) The quest system while sometimes repetitive actually worked. ME3's system is lazy at best and non existant at worst. You don't pick up quests by dialog and your journal doesn't track progress. Also while you don't see a lot of economic growth in Skyrim you don't see ANY growth in ME2-3. ME1 had an evolving economy so it has no place here.

3) Skyrim had more choices than ME3 had by a long shot. Player housing, allignment, profession, companions, character creator and exploration.

Also my biggest love of Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Bethesda actually ENCOURAGES modding. Right now EA is banning Origin accounts of anyone caught modding anything. Custom armors, voice overs, houses, weapons, companions, dungeons, cloths, even new lands. Lets not forget Bethesda has proved they listen to their fans when they changed the ending of Fallout 3 with the Broken Steel DLC because fans demanded it.

In summary modding support is awesome and Skyrim obviously was better produced than ME3. Btw this is coming from someone who doesn't like Bethesda games. I just give credit where credit is due.

P.S. However I do love Bethesda more now that I've lost BW. Bethesda will probably be the first company to get my Bioware cash.

Modifié par Fox544, 07 avril 2012 - 07:33 .


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CaptnObvious wrote...

Talcon Warrior wrote...

An Extended Cut DLC has been revealed, a free download which will clarify the existing endings.

Also, free multiplayer maps coming soon. And a big interaction at PAX earlier today. Lots of comments that are being picked over relentlessly in the hope something hopeful will be found.


Thanks, i didn't expect an answer so quick!

Anyway, so, they're just basically plugging the holes, and not giving anything new?

Eh, i guess our hopes are in PAX now, huh?


Pax was today, that is what they revealed, alot of people pointed out that there is a margin for hope in general regarding these endings and how good they could actually turn out to be.

This is also bolstered by the fact that the IT was not outright denied in the PAX pannel today.

Personally for me 6 months is a long time and alot of things change. Perhaps the writers will pull their heads out of their asses and see that it would just be overall better to reimagine these endings or outright change em.

Its a slim hope but until I see the end result 6 months from now when this DLC is released, Its what I'm gonna hold onto.

#75288
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Morning team! !
Hope everyone had a goodnight sleep! !
we are holding the line!
No one quits!
We are still campaigning! !! I know I'm...

One cannot compare skyrim to ME.
SKYRIM is an open world game .its like mmo but single player.
I personally don't like games like thus. Its just lacks structure for me....do what you want ...go where you want??? ...its nice on paper but doesn't engage me ...in fact bores me terribly ...

I prefer illusion if you call it of open world. Like ME or DA or witcher suikoden etc and other rpgs.
There isa story and structure ...
I guess I consider paying rpgs like reading a good book...engaging ...and with narrative.

#75289
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It sucks we'll have to wait until the summer. That's a long time to have to wait to see how ME3 was intended? to end. But I'm also curious to see how reaction to the ending (on the development side) will change over the new few months. People will cool down and start thinking more clearly about things.

Also, one thing that's kind of been overlooked in this whole debate about the ending, especially when people talk about happy/good endings is ME3 is a game. You play a game to win. It's okay for movies and books to have downer endings, because books and movies don't require skill (and a robust autosave feature) to progress through them. But developers should be a lot more careful about ending their games on a sour note (unless they know there will be a sequel to right things), unless they can provide the player with a sense of accomplishment, a reward for winning.

Going with the often-used metaphor, would you play Super Mario Bros if it was impossible to save the princess no matter what you did? Imagine dropping Bowser in the lava and reaching the back room to find Toadstool dead. Artistic? Maybe. But it makes playing the game pointless.

That's how a 5 minutes ending can ruin an entire saga (even if World 1-4 was awesome the first time you played it). The DLC might be able to at least address the issue, if not the plotholes. I still have no idea how they would reconcile the Starchild's existence with the plot of ME or even the little sublot in ME where the AI gets loose on the citadel and tries to take Shepherd out with an exploding terminal.

Well whatever, to get over my ME3 hangover I started playing Phantasy Star (the original 8-bit game). Retro gaming at its finest.

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Modifié par DivergentZen, 07 avril 2012 - 07:39 .


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Where is everyone???
Only about 12 pages through the night .....

#75291
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If they're like me they're silently fuming over that BS they gave us at the Q&A.

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ld1449 wrote...

Pax was today, that is what they revealed, alot of people pointed out that there is a margin for hope in general regarding these endings and how good they could actually turn out to be.

This is also bolstered by the fact that the IT was not outright denied in the PAX pannel today.

Personally for me 6 months is a long time and alot of things change. Perhaps the writers will pull their heads out of their asses and see that it would just be overall better to reimagine these endings or outright change em.

Its a slim hope but until I see the end result 6 months from now when this DLC is released, Its what I'm gonna hold onto.


Oh, okay thanks.

I hope like you, though i'm almost sure the writers will never go back on what they did; nor will they write something to retcon THEIR story. 

We'll have to wait half a year for something close to an answer...

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Coming in from time to time to check in. Watching Party Down as well.

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Reply Brentatious :

I know ...I have been watching live .
at first I was so angry ..anyway I have beencwatching and posting here samestime yesrtesdy what is being said and asked ...
I was fuming ....
But then I thought about it and it was actually good for us.

First off all moderator chose questions .
You didn't think they would choose ours

#75295
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Of course not, they wanted too look good to the EA shareholders. I just expected the crowd to be a little more insistent.

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firstarioch wrote...

Where is everyone???
Only about 12 pages through the night .....


It's friday night, i'd guess everyones drinking, or have already got drunk...

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Reply brentatius :
Sorry writing from mobile.
So they would not choose ours.
Second theycsaid they will not talk about the ending too much.
they Saud that they are still listening andcwating for feedback andcworking hard to make it good.
you could see they are under pressure.
People posted pics ofcevent on twitter. Lots of angry fans.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
I will campaign still. Will send letters with ideas and see hoe thus clarification pans out ...
If its rubbish than we take it further and campaign for what we always wanted. Alterante endings !!!!!
we stay strong.we stay together! !!
Nowcmore important than ever!
I

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CaptnObvious wrote...

firstarioch wrote...

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It's friday night, i'd guess everyones drinking, or have already got drunk...


Worked... drunk... holding the lines! ;)

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Perfect music for BioWare (or us) right now. You might have to read the lyrics to understand it though.

Sorry it's a tad late, I spent the last 10 hours doing... actually I dont know what I did. I remember reading the Kotaku liveblog, getting angry, posting here a bit, getting angrier, then - nothing.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 07 avril 2012 - 07:57 .


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LethesDeep wrote...

Perfect music for BioWare (or us) right now. You might have to read the lyrics to understand it though.

Sorry it's a tad late, I spent the last 10 hours doing... actually I dont know what I did. I remember reading the Kotaku liveblog, getting angry, posting here a bit, getting angrier, then - nothing.


LOL drank too much? :lol:

But seriously, i feel Kotaku as a thing for defending the um, bad guys? I don't know a better way to say it; like when they defended Paul Christoforo ( this was from own though... It mean pretty much nothing)