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#75801
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Zanza86 wrote...

I notice people throw around the term "rights" like it meant to validate their whiney behaviour. Let's clear this up for the future. You have no rights when it comes to this game. You buy the product and you receive said product. That is your right as a consumer. Everything else after is just an example of the self entitlement you all seem to have adopted. Pro-enders aren't what is wrong with society. They are just people who enjoyed the ending, perhaps they understood it in a different light to the rest of you keyboard warriors. To turn around and say they are trolls or ****** for liking the ending instead of "standing up for themselves" against the big bad corporations you are only being hypocrites. For weeks now all we get to read on these forums is how the ending was bad and some imaginary line that shifts to your own purposes needs to be held. Good luck with that by the way enjoy your extra cutscene. Hope you still shed a tear and chuck more tantrums over a game when your precious mass relays explode.

But what is a product and what defines a product?
Buying a product requires a transcation preceded by an agreement not only about the quality, but about what that product is too.

Say, you buy a cool looking couch, and suddenly, as you try to sit on it, it breaks down. And as you call the people who sold the couch, they tell you that it's not a couch meant for people to sit on. You didn't know that. You assumed that couches are there to be used, not purely decorative.

This gets fuzzy with games. You have, before you buy the product, not really any knowledge of what that product is. That's why demos exist, why people make statements before the game is released, why there are trailer, teaser, etc.
They're there to provide people with knowledge of what will be sold and to interest them in the game.

But when you buy the product, and it turns out that all the things said, claimed or promised were, in fact, false statements - why then you've been tricked. Then you did not get the product you imagined you'd get, and if you had *known* about it in advance, you would have never bought it.

So no, what you say is pretty narrow-sighted and one-dimensional. You take one angle and fail to comprehend how the same approach as a systematic process would bear so many flaws when applied to other business transactions.

The customer *indeed* has the right to complain when the product is not what it was claimed to be. And he also has the right to return it, a right that is more and more undermined by the techniques of using account-binding, keys and similar methods. Anyone who fails to understand that these are devices used by companies to improve profit with no regard to the customer most certainly lacks common sense.

Oh, and I see only one person trolling. Trolling is when people insult others, annoy others, and provide no logical statements of any kind, but ramble and babble and prattle around.
So here comes the great reveal, the unexpected ending:
*You* are the troll.

#75802
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g_bassi13 wrote...

It's all good. Though I do want to say I like the idea of Casey Hudson, along with all his artistic integrity, being forced to work on the NHL series.


Laughed way too hard at that... I had an image of aliens invading the stanley cup match and you having to fight them off with hockey sticks and skates, some of your crew may die... and that budding forbidden romantic relationship between the opposing goalies would be put in jeopardy.

I don't think he could do just "sports" haha

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Computim wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

It's all good. Though I do want to say I like the idea of Casey Hudson, along with all his artistic integrity, being forced to work on the NHL series.


Laughed way too hard at that... I had an image of aliens invading the stanley cup match and you having to fight them off with hockey sticks and skates, some of your crew may die... and that budding forbidden romantic relationship between the opposing goalies would be put in jeopardy.

I don't think he could do just "sports" haha


:lol::lol::lol::lol: Oh gosh, thanks for the laughs~!

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Computim wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

It's all good. Though I do want to say I like the idea of Casey Hudson, along with all his artistic integrity, being forced to work on the NHL series.


Laughed way too hard at that... I had an image of aliens invading the stanley cup match and you having to fight them off with hockey sticks and skates, some of your crew may die... and that budding forbidden romantic relationship between the opposing goalies would be put in jeopardy.

I don't think he could do just "sports" haha


I'm pretty sure I figured out why he had the reapers invading Vancouver of all places... To stop the Canucks from winning the cup. Son of a....

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g_bassi13 wrote...

I'm pretty sure I figured out why he had the reapers invading Vancouver of all places... To stop the Canucks from winning the cup. Son of a....


Does evil have no bounds with this man?!   -  S'ok.. I'm a Toronto fan... not ashamed to admit it... though I do cheer for the jets but only cause I live here and we're pretty much #RetakeNHL when it comes to the Jets.

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It's kind of crazy with this whole situation happening simultaneously with the whole Double Fine Adventure thing. People find it so easy to push us aside as vocal minority, but then at the same time, Tim Schafer is getting an entire game funded by a similarly sized group of people. People seem to really love Mr. Schafer, he has an incredible charisma about him. I actually pitched in for his new game (even though I have never actually played any of his games) because I just thought it would be awesome to help the people who have wanted to play a new Double Fine adventure game but have had their wishes stepped on by big publishers at every turn. Mr. Schafer is so dedicated to the purity of his games that he refuses to let publishers stick their fingers in his creations even if that means a loss of commercial success. It's really interesting to see how BioWare is turning their backs on their most dedicated fan base while there are other developers out there who truly appreciate their core fans and are willing to make a game just for them even with no promise of commercial success.

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Nharia1 wrote...

*snip* 

Yeah but Nintendo hasn't screwed people over, and all their stuff is a decent price compared to everything else... And don't you dare talk bad about Link! He's freaking awesome!

 

that he is ... 

that was the point of the Comparison... EA/Bioware Think they have as much pull and  rep as  Nintendo or a Square Enix and the don't... the don't have the big and far reaching of a fan base to pull the nonsense they have pulled. 

Bioware think themselves icons and they are not.    

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Speaking of Casey Hudson, I like how he hasn't updated his twitter for about three weeks now.

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Computim wrote...

Does evil have no bounds with this man?!   -  S'ok.. I'm a Toronto fan... not ashamed to admit it... though I do cheer for the jets but only cause I live here and we're pretty much #RetakeNHL when it comes to the Jets.


That's a good point, if you guys can take back an entire team, I don't see why we can't retake Mass Effect.

The one thing is though, those Oilers fans up in Edmonton tend to be a stubborn bunch.

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Mattroy wrote...

It's kind of crazy with this whole situation happening simultaneously with the whole Double Fine Adventure thing. People find it so easy to push us aside as vocal minority, but then at the same time, Tim Schafer is getting an entire game funded by a similarly sized group of people. People seem to really love Mr. Schafer, he has an incredible charisma about him. I actually pitched in for his new game (even though I have never actually played any of his games) because I just thought it would be awesome to help the people who have wanted to play a new Double Fine adventure game but have had their wishes stepped on by big publishers at every turn. Mr. Schafer is so dedicated to the purity of his games that he refuses to let publishers stick their fingers in his creations even if that means a loss of commercial success. It's really interesting to see how BioWare is turning their backs on their most dedicated fan base while there are other developers out there who truly appreciate their core fans and are willing to make a game just for them even with no promise of commercial success.


So what you're saying is that Schafer feels his art is too important to allow others to tell him how it should be? Even if that results in loss of profits now and in the future?

(sarcasm) This sounds nothing at all like what's happening with Bioware.

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sagevallant wrote...

Mattroy wrote...

It's kind of crazy with this whole situation happening simultaneously with the whole Double Fine Adventure thing. People find it so easy to push us aside as vocal minority, but then at the same time, Tim Schafer is getting an entire game funded by a similarly sized group of people. People seem to really love Mr. Schafer, he has an incredible charisma about him. I actually pitched in for his new game (even though I have never actually played any of his games) because I just thought it would be awesome to help the people who have wanted to play a new Double Fine adventure game but have had their wishes stepped on by big publishers at every turn. Mr. Schafer is so dedicated to the purity of his games that he refuses to let publishers stick their fingers in his creations even if that means a loss of commercial success. It's really interesting to see how BioWare is turning their backs on their most dedicated fan base while there are other developers out there who truly appreciate their core fans and are willing to make a game just for them even with no promise of commercial success.


So what you're saying is that Schafer feels his art is too important to allow others to tell him how it should be? Even if that results in loss of profits now and in the future?

(sarcasm) This sounds nothing at all like what's happening with Bioware.


It's because people trust him to put out a great product regardless. It's the same kind of trust people used to have with Bioware. As this whole retake movement pretty much implies, that trust is now gone.

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IT IS NO USE SAYING WE ARE DOING OUR BEST. YOU HAVE GOT TO
SUCCEED IN DOING WHAT IS NECESSARY.

Winston Churchill

This applies to our fight.
please make sure everyone remembers that.

#75813
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To go with all those Skyrim videos that were being posted earlier, I thought I might as well add the ultimate parody to the bunch.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par g_bassi13, 07 avril 2012 - 05:55 .


#75814
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 So the ME developer signing at PAX starts in 10min

Is this when someone gives them a Marauder Shields picture to get signed? :devil:

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TamiBx wrote...

 So the ME developer signing at PAX starts in 10min

Is this when someone gives them a Marauder Shields picture to get signed? :devil:

lol hopefully! *cheers for a Marauder Shields pic to be signed* ;)

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g_bassi13 wrote...

It's because people trust him to put out a great product regardless. It's the same kind of trust people used to have with Bioware. As this whole retake movement pretty much implies, that trust is now gone.


Sadly true. :pinched:

As if the trust wasn't already damaged because of the Prothean DLC. Though I find it funny that no one complained when they did the same thing with Dragon Age 2, presumably because they were all busy complaining about other things. And I'm a proponent of DA2, I liked that game. Not nearly as much as the first, but still. Some of us enjoyed a game plot that didn't require saving the world at any point.

I'm on the fence as to whether the game needs an entirely new ending, clarity on the existing ending might be enough for me. People who like to talk "Star Child" and "Space Magic" are embellishing just a little. You can explain them, Bioware just didn't. Bioware dropped the ball on a number of points. Like our decisions mattering at all.

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did you guys bought those Marauder Shields t -shirts?

#75818
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firstarioch wrote...

did you guys bought those Marauder Shields t -shirts?

i got one, not sure about anyone else here lol :lol:

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Hey, here's a good point to raise for the RetakeME3 movement (if someone hadn't already come up with it: mention the fact that we got a lot of closure to certain issues in the game (i.e. genophage and the quarian/geth conflict) but got none for the ending.

#75820
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ziyon conqueror wrote...

Hey, here's a good point to raise for the RetakeME3 movement (if someone hadn't already come up with it: mention the fact that we got a lot of closure to certain issues in the game (i.e. genophage and the quarian/geth conflict) but got none for the ending.


... um... I feel like you're way behind the times...:mellow:

#75821
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g_bassi13 wrote...

To go with all those Skyrim videos that were being posted earlier, I thought I might as well add the ultimate parody to the bunch.

www.youtube.com/watch


Awesome! Image IPB

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firstarioch wrote...

did you guys bought those Marauder Shields t -shirts?


What t-shirts?

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Hey Retake Clowns. They're haivng a signing at 2pm at PAX East. There ya go. Theres your chance to tell em to their face instead of being big cowards like yesterday. Go ahead tell them all about star child and plot holes. Come on. Step up. Or are you all still just gonna cry on this thread forever not changing a damn thing

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sagevallant wrote...

So what you're saying is that Schafer feels his art is too important to allow others to tell him how it should be? Even if that results in loss of profits now and in the future?

(sarcasm) This sounds nothing at all like what's happening with Bioware.


What I'm trying to say is that he really respects the opinions of his fan base; even if they're a small group, he knows who he wants to make his games for and he knows what those people want. Also this new game will be developed with a lot of fan input. And even if he makes something that his fans don't necessarily like, I have a feeling that they'd still respect and trust him (so long as he doesn't make any promises and ultimately not deliver on them) becuase they would know that there was no behind the scenes, corporate meddling.

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babachewie wrote...

Hey Retake Clowns People. They're haivng a signing at 2pm at PAX East. There ya go. Theres your chance to tell em to their face instead of being big cowards polite like yesterday. Go ahead tell them all about star child and plot holes. Come on. Step up. Or are you all still just gonna cry on this thread forever not changing a damn thing But I know some of you wish you were there but cannot attend it



There, fixed it for you.