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[Abram730]

JPfanner wrote...

Abram730 wrote...
If there were huge differences in the endings then they'd need to make 3 ME4 games.

If this is the end of Mass Effect then I agree the ending suck... but I don't think it's the end.
Try to think from a continuation point of view.

My problem with this is that from a continuation standpoint there is already some mutually exclusive variability.
Earth can be ok/damaged/destroyed
Reapers can be destroyed/controlled
The Geth/Quarian issue
Organics versus Total Cyborgization
Shepard alive/dead/guardian/absorbed
Whatever the canon is for anything moving forward, it is going to not match up on some player's experiences. Which, having become so embittered recently, I doubt is even a minor concern of Bioware's. So what is the big deal about Shepard being denied one not alone ending?

Errr ummm... well in my defense I haven't spoiled the game for myself by watching the leaks, just in case they would...

Ok, I see your points.... "Grimdark only" doesn't accomplish what I perceive as a goal for doing it.

So nothing is solved In this... not good as continuity issues exist for this timeline.
A cannon would probably be needed.. not so good for this as a launching pad.
If you restrict results of action it should give you some resetting to a known state or you go and break continuity with a cannon... doing both is bad.
Middle ground sucks in this situation.. It's 2X the FU and for no reason.
ME4 would need to start with continuity problems or need to be pulled completely into a different time.. grr
The end results you listed make for totally different games
How would you have such different results and start a new game in that?
Best common state is reaper invasion beaten.. but reapers still exist. With galactic caos there is plenty of room for stories, war and conflict.

Prequel  or more space ???
dream sequence lol.. ouch.

I'm done arguing with people that don't like the endings.  My rational didn't match what is known about the game.
I still like a grimdark ending though, but my rational for "only grimdark", doesn't match know information.  


I think I will like ME3 a lot.



My new concerns are more for how they continue ME.  It sounds like a mess with no common point.
Do they have 3 games for each ending branch?  You can't chop up your fans into different groups selling a different game to each group.. the $$ aren't there for that.

I'd of done a large variation.. then chosen a cannon or had a common ending state.. How do they get to there from here?  3 comic strips ending in the same place?

[SpiderFan1217]

xtorma wrote...

What's done is done. all we can do now is let it play out.

  That sounds like exceptance. Congrats! Your done! 

[AkiKishi]

Nevara wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thane0909 wrote...

Ah yes the old "not getting it" line.... I remember for final fantasy xiii they blamed it on western attitudes to gaming....... nice <_<.

That one I can get to a certain degree. Never liked FFXIII but could never say that it did anything wrong that did not just come down to what I like and don't like.

It's FFXIII-2 that paid for it big time, which I do actually like quite a bit. Funny how that goes.

Because every FF is different I never hold it against them.

From what I hear they plan on finishing the XIII-2 endings through DLC.  Even though I abhor an idea like that I can understand why SE would do it.

Maybe it's a new trend. I do love SquareEnix' 10 minute plus mini movie endings though.But not enough to encourage such practice.

[Cobra's_back]

NovemEnuma wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

NovemEnuma wrote...

The price...of surviving/defeating once and for all an extinction cycle that been happening for millions of years; a bittersweet ending.

In a fictional game that lets us pick our own endings.

OH WAIT NOW YOU CAN'T BECAUSE WE WANT TO FORCE SOMETHING ON YOU






I'm not saying "preorder canceled" but this royally sucks the fun out of the game for me. Everything about making our own destiny...down the drain. Fallout 3 all over again!

BioWare said the ending(s) would make some people upset. The Mass Effect series is a dark sci-fi series, the best you can expect for almost anything in it is bittersweet. I mean...each Mass Effect game had a heroic, yet bittersweet ending. The "happiest" one would be Mass Effect 1, and even then, you knew impending doom was coming.

Actually the no one left behind was a positive for me. I loved ME2 more than one. The impending doom was more the fight for your life. Shepard and crew dying with some planets destroyed is better than all life turned into paste, drones or husks. Afterall Shepard already died once and Garrus didn't expect everyone to make it in ME 2.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

The thread in general about ME1 faces not importing has me just as worried as the endings now.

It seems at least one and maybe two people who got the game early can't import their ME1 created face that they used in ME2. No mods, or any other nefarious stuff.

People have tweeted the devs asking about this and gotten strangely vague replies that don't actually answer the question. When asked very specific questions about ME1 faces importing people are getting no replies.

Hope I'm just paranoid and everything is fine

May I please have links to the tweets?

You would think that dodging questions/giving non-answers is a specialty at EAware now

[Unit-Alpha]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This thread is much more somber than last night... I'm gonna stay out of it until it's happy again.

YOU SPEAK TOO SOON MY SON.

Yes! Now I don't have to troll the Escapist forums!

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This thread is much more somber than last night... I'm gonna stay out of it until it's happy again.

YOU SPEAK TOO SOON MY SON.

Yes! Now I don't have to troll the Escapist forums!

BANNU?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Risselda wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

The Asari wrote...

so theres a guardian controlling the reapers. what ever happend to sovereign saying ''we are each a nation, independent.'' i think bioware created a story that was even too big for them to handle.
 

The problem is that the lead writer of Mass Effect 1 and 2 didn't work on 3. I wish Drew had been working on Mass Effect 3 instead of SW:TOR 

Something doesnt seem right with these endings. Bioware must know how big this game is going to be- most anticipated of 2012.  If they blow it up, it'll be a Mists of Pandaria tragedy all over again. And everyone knows what happened with that.

How could the whole story be so epic, but then skimp out on the ending.

Because Bioware's writers think they are writing Homer's Odyssey, when in fact they are barely more competent than a fan fiction writer. Not a personal attack, but they are forgetting massive sections of lore.

^  This.  We ended up with a cheap Lovecraft knockoff in space. 

There's even a fanfic that retells the ME story as a straight-up Lovecraft horror/mystery, and in some ways it's better than what we're ending up with because it just comes out and drops the SF mashup, making it less like a Saturday-night Syfy original movie or BSG remake (which is how ME3 is turning out). 

[Sashimi_taco]

"This change only made itself clear 15 or 20 hours into the game, when it becomes overwhelmingly obvious how intricately woven the sum parts of the Mass Effect series are. I found myself continually shaking my head in awe as things came together, not only from Mass Effect 2, but from Mass Effect itself. Even though I'm playing "fresh" on PlayStation 3, my extensive experience with Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 on Xbox 360 allowed me to appreciate all of the odes, both major and minor, being thrown out to characters, events and conversations that had occurred in previous games. How BioWare accomplished all of this successfully borders on mind-boggling. "

This is from the ongoing review of mass effect 3.

[Reapinger]

Capeo wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

It's all based on flags so maybe the flags are slightly off.

I.E. people claiming in the flashback that they can only see Liara, or VS as their LI. That sounds like a major flag issue.

It has to be because there are flashback vids for Ash and Kaiden on the disc as well.  Day 1 patch will probably fix that I would think.

Yeah probably that and some other minor bugs. I'd like to hold out hope for just one additional ending.

[Risselda]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This thread is much more somber than last night... I'm gonna stay out of it until it's happy again.

You missed my headcannon Unit!

[DifferentD17]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This thread is much more somber than last night... I'm gonna stay out of it until it's happy again.

YOU SPEAK TOO SOON MY SON.

Yes! Now I don't have to troll the Escapist forums!

Lol you probably should, I'm going to bed soon.

[Nerevar-as]

xtorma wrote...

I won't buy the game until it's cheap , as a sort of protest, but I honestly hope everyone who does has a good time.

It´s not the game that worries me, but the last 5 minutes of the saga. And they can´t even continue without canonizing one ending.

At least watching the likely ****storm is going to be interesting.

[ratzerman]

Sadly, I think pleading for some kind of retconned DLC ending isn't going to work, and will probably just make the writers mad. Mac views himself as an artist, after all. He won't sacrifice his vision to appease the audience, especially since we've already paid.

There are two options: a supplemental DLC that expands on the ending was always part Bioware's plan, or the included endings are all that there is.

[AkiKishi]

ghostbusters101 wrote...
Actually the no one left behind was a positive for me. I loved ME2 more than one. The impending doom was more the fight for your life. Shepard and crew dying with some planets destroyed is better than all life turned into paste, drones or husks. Afterall Shepard already died once and Garrus didn't expect everyone to make it in ME 2.

Well it was too easy, compared to something like the Atelier Totori "True End" but it still gave meaning to all that planet scanning and loyalty stuff.

I'm getting a why bother vibe from ME3. If GR/Assests are worthless, you are left with a very short game for an RPG.

[Killjoy Cutter]

eye basher wrote...

I always knew ME wasn't gonna end well the reapers are to powerful an enemy it is going to take something drastic and on a massive scale to stop em and that never ends well.

At the end of the original ME, there was still plenty of room to make the Reapers a powerful threat but not goofy spacegods that can only be stopped with a magic space McGuffin. 

[Unit-Alpha]

ithurtz wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This thread is much more somber than last night... I'm gonna stay out of it until it's happy again.

YOU SPEAK TOO SOON MY SON.

Yes! Now I don't have to troll the Escapist forums!

BANNU?

Please, not end of rine for me!

Risselda wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

This thread is much more somber than last night... I'm gonna stay out of it until it's happy again.

You missed my headcannon Unit!

If it involved 12 asari courtesans and a large whipped cream pie, I am seriously sad I missed out.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 02 mars 2012 - 03:26 .

[Nevara]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Nevara wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

thane0909 wrote...

Ah yes the old "not getting it" line.... I remember for final fantasy xiii they blamed it on western attitudes to gaming....... nice <_<.

That one I can get to a certain degree. Never liked FFXIII but could never say that it did anything wrong that did not just come down to what I like and don't like.

It's FFXIII-2 that paid for it big time, which I do actually like quite a bit. Funny how that goes.

Because every FF is different I never hold it against them.

From what I hear they plan on finishing the XIII-2 endings through DLC.  Even though I abhor an idea like that I can understand why SE would do it.

Maybe it's a new trend. I do love SquareEnix' 10 minute plus mini movie endings though.But not enough to encourage such practice.

I just don't know how they plan on actually doing it so it will be satisfying.  There was a lot of story that could be expanded on for a whole nother game, but if that's the way they want to do it.  Good luck to SE!

Hell, I was shocked they even came out with a direct sequel to X in the first place, so I wait with bated breath.  Though I bet spouse will make those endings a day 1 purchase.

[Aesieru]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

eye basher wrote...

I always knew ME wasn't gonna end well the reapers are to powerful an enemy it is going to take something drastic and on a massive scale to stop em and that never ends well.

At the end of the original ME, there was still plenty of room to make the Reapers a powerful threat but not goofy spacegods that can only be stopped with a magic space McGuffin. 

They have a huge fleet of huge ships witha dvanced tech that also made the reapers...

And they've been killing all life for millions of years.

[Unit-Alpha]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Risselda wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

The Asari wrote...

so theres a guardian controlling the reapers. what ever happend to sovereign saying ''we are each a nation, independent.'' i think bioware created a story that was even too big for them to handle.
 

The problem is that the lead writer of Mass Effect 1 and 2 didn't work on 3. I wish Drew had been working on Mass Effect 3 instead of SW:TOR 

Something doesnt seem right with these endings. Bioware must know how big this game is going to be- most anticipated of 2012.  If they blow it up, it'll be a Mists of Pandaria tragedy all over again. And everyone knows what happened with that.

How could the whole story be so epic, but then skimp out on the ending.

Because Bioware's writers think they are writing Homer's Odyssey, when in fact they are barely more competent than a fan fiction writer. Not a personal attack, but they are forgetting massive sections of lore.

^  This.  We ended up with a cheap Lovecraft knockoff in space. 

There's even a fanfic that retells the ME story as a straight-up Lovecraft horror/mystery, and in some ways it's better than what we're ending up with because it just comes out and drops the SF mashup, making it less like a Saturday-night Syfy original movie or BSG remake (which is how ME3 is turning out). 

That's the problem I have. They are showing no initiative. This has become such a mix of elements from other genres without regard for how they flow. Space opera != Lovecraft horror.

[DifferentD17]

Some people that complain that all some people want is to end it with their LI should realize some people only play it for that. What other games let you watch a romance unfold? Most people that are playing for romance probably just want it to end in a romantic way, or in a way that lets them headcannon it. Saying everyone dies accomplishes nothing.

[davidshooter]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

The thread in general about ME1 faces not importing has me just as worried as the endings now.

It seems at least one and maybe two people who got the game early can't import their ME1 created face that they used in ME2. No mods, or any other nefarious stuff.

People have tweeted the devs asking about this and gotten strangely vague replies that don't actually answer the question. When asked very specific questions about ME1 faces importing people are getting no replies.

Hope I'm just paranoid and everything is fine

May I please have links to the tweets?

It's all in this thread:

http://social.biowar...index/9513640/1

To sum up, one of the space players (or maybe 2 this doesn't seem clear) has had to remake his face everytime he tries to import his character that was created in ME1 because he gets an error message.  The face was not modded.

When asked (an imprecise question) the devs replied with "yes you can import your ME2 face"

When asked this multiple times:

Owners of space edition 360 can't import faces from ME2 saves with ME1 face codes. Will this be resolved for launch?

There has been no response, despite responses to newer questions. 

[tasca1180]

Reapinger wrote...

It's all based on flags so maybe the flags are slightly off.

I.E. people claiming in the flashback that they can only see Liara, or VS as their LI. That sounds like a major flag issue.

Actually, going through the files, people found there are only vids for Joker, Anderson, Kaidan, Ashley and Liara. So it's not just a flag issue. The vids for other LIs are simply not there.

My Thane-loving Shep is not amused either.

Modifié par tasca1180, 02 mars 2012 - 03:29 .

[Sashimi_taco]

The reviewer of ME3 at ING is past 20 hours and still isn't close to being finished. He is doing an actual complete playthrough. What do you guys think this means? Xio finished in 23 hours.

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

By "skimped out" you mean bad writing? Because if you think that people are only upset due to the fact that their Shepard cannot get reunited with their space waifu, I would disagree with you.

Again, "the endings don't line up with what I had planned in my headcanon" =/= "bad writing."

Now, what is your complaint, precisely?  Personally, I think the Normandy thing was uncessecary, but I think it's intended to be a metaphor for starting over, heading into an unknown future, being forced to rebuild from next to nothing.  A not-so-spectacularly executed metaphor, but one nonetheless.

No, the complaint is that they failed to provide any way to actually win, just different degrees of loss. 

And that they just created a failed knockoff mashup of multiple genres. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 02 mars 2012 - 03:30 .