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[-PG-Skyre]

1st, I would like to point out that the new "cliche" is to pull and "unexpected ending".

2nd, bittersweet implies that something "sweet" or "good" should also come hand-in-hand with the "bitter" aspects. ME3s ending generally lacks this at the moment. Therefor, "bittersweet" is not the right terminology.

3rd, the ending is broken. Makes no sense. Is copied from Deus Ex (the original) and, from a literary standpoint, is poorly constructed and missing key elements or story writing (look them up).

Finally, we purchased a product on the basis of what we were told would be in it. However, the product did not have what was advertised, therefor we have the right to our money back or the product promised. Many have gotten their money back, however we are the ones that want the product promised.

You are not required to like us, or agree with us. But there is no need for any crude or insulting posts. From either side.
Keep things civil. And if you can't say anything nice or constructive, please, refrain from posting.

[lunamoondragon]

Zanza86 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...


I wish. I am just like the rest of you, a devoted fan. The only difference is I don't call out conspiracies when someone doesn't agree with me.

Hmmm...I seem to recall a '16 wildly different endings' promise.  3 choices that are basically the same don't make 16 wildly different endings.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

What you just described is caled false advertissing. In the United States and Canada its a federal offense. Look it up..

Sorry love but there are more continents in the world than North America.

Yes, but being an American-based company it's to be assumed that it abides by American laws.

[Simocrates]

Alamandorious wrote...

Nooo...we know what happened everywhere.

Mass Relays go boom = ruining all terrestrial planets in the solar system they're in.

Says right in the ME3 secondary codex, in game.  Doesn't specify a giant asteroid hit, either...just says if they're 'ruptured'.

More bad writing if they excuse that away ^^

In which case it can't really be considered a win.

[Major Swift]

Zanza86 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...
Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

im glad you actually enjoyed it, its the fact that they said there would be a perfect ending/completely different endings that "branch off widly" i believe is how it was put, hell they even said the reapers would be able to win but as it is you can do absolutely nothing and still win

See I disagree there, would the complete destruction of Earth and the mass relays really be considered winning when what is left of the fleet is going to starve or even suffocate due to the lack of atmosphere in their damaged ships? Yes the Reapers are defeated but what of the foot soldiers on the other planets? We only saw the ships get taken out. What is to say the ground forces don't just lose control and go berserk? That is another thing I enjoyed about the ending, if was open to interpretation. We only know hat happened in the Sol System.

technically it would be winning because the reapers would be gone, you can interpret that even if everyone dies the next races to come along would be free of the cycle, though if you go by what Arrival shows happens to a relay then pretty much everything should be gone anyway which shows bad writing. but anyway they said it would also be a definitive end which in my opinion its not because there are more questions than answers which they said there wouldn't be, they also said they wouldn't pull a Lost here.

Modifié par Major Swift, 08 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[laughing sherpa girl]

Zanza86 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...


I wish. I am just like the rest of you, a devoted fan. The only difference is I don't call out conspiracies when someone doesn't agree with me.

Hmmm...I seem to recall a '16 wildly different endings' promise.  3 choices that are basically the same don't make 16 wildly different endings.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

What you just described is caled false advertissing. In the United States and Canada its a federal offense. Look it up..

Sorry love but there are more continents in the world than North America.

Dont EVER call me love, Or honey, or sweety or darlin or anything else  you might think of. My Name is sufficient for you.  Oh and, EA is an American company headquartered in San Jose California, and is therefore subject to the Laws of the US government,.

Sorry to have offended you ma'am.

Apology accepted. Dont let it happen again, and yes, i'm serious..

[MintyCool]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...


I wish. I am just like the rest of you, a devoted fan. The only difference is I don't call out conspiracies when someone doesn't agree with me.

Hmmm...I seem to recall a '16 wildly different endings' promise.  3 choices that are basically the same don't make 16 wildly different endings.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

What you just described is caled false advertissing. In the United States and Canada its a federal offense. Look it up..

Sorry love but there are more continents in the world than North America.

Dont EVER call me love, Or honey, or sweety or darlin or anything else  you might think of. My Name is sufficient for you.  Oh and, EA is an American company headquartered in San Jose California, and is therefore subject to the Laws of the US government,.

False advertising...

I would like to stay and tear into this talking point for another hour but it would seem that someone else is already doing a fine job already. Shame...

Anyways, off to Game of Thrones.

Modifié par MintyCool, 08 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[DJBare]

*Equips cain, aims at pyramids*

[Simocrates]

lunamoondragon wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...


I wish. I am just like the rest of you, a devoted fan. The only difference is I don't call out conspiracies when someone doesn't agree with me.

Hmmm...I seem to recall a '16 wildly different endings' promise.  3 choices that are basically the same don't make 16 wildly different endings.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

What you just described is caled false advertissing. In the United States and Canada its a federal offense. Look it up..

Sorry love but there are more continents in the world than North America.

Yes, but being an American-based company it's to be assumed that it abides by American laws.

I don't see the police rocking up at their doorstep. Probably because they didn't do anything wrong. Just saying. If it really is as serious as you all seem to suggest then why not call the police?

[Computim]

Let's watch the pyramids of ultimate quote. The Egyptians are getting jealous.

I may be happy with Bioware giving me the extended cut.. dunno till it drops.

Also, off topic.. is it a bit weird that Bioware shows up as a mispell in the quick reply box...

[-PG-Skyre]

DJBare wrote...

*Equips cain, aims at pyramids*

Please do. The eqyptions keep calling me, wanting them back...
One of them even threatened a take me to court if we dont give the pyramids back

[Fox544]

MintyCool wrote...

Corporations are people too.

Let's be honest, you're emotional right now and you feel like Bioware has done some great wrong to you...

When it comes down to it though, you'll be first in line to pick up the next big AAA titles from Bioware, why?

Simple. Your game registration history proves it. If that's not enough of a reason, I will also mention that the style of game you enjoy is simply produced by only a few developers. So let's stop with "you'll hear my roar with my pocket book" routine. It's silly. Your financial decision has zero impact on the company.

Bioware is too-big-to-fail.

On a side note, if you're looking for some encouraging words from me, I will say that you have accomplished all that you possibly could relating to issues that concern your "movement".

You were able to convince Bioware to put some additional dev time into the endgame of Mass Effect 3. This means they will probably take scrapped ideas that they would have liked to include originally but lacked the timeframe to get it done. You have now allowed them that time.

PR and messaging wise it's a brilliant move by Bioware. As soon as the public hears your dismay over "Free DLC", one word will come everyones mind, entitlement.

Why do you think everyone laughs at the Tea Party now? Originally everyone was for the movement until they read the details of the groups actual morals, values, and goals. Look how laughable they have become....

Until then, you will continue to savage the last 15 minutes of the game until you become so cynical that no matter what the Dev team does you'll always be unhappy.

Understand that. I have and will continue to enjoy this series for what it was, it have not taken over my life....

Everything I say is fact. I'm just being honest. Good discussion.

<3

I stopped reading at "Too big to fail". That is purely non-sensical and delusional. Then again you've been trolling this thread for the last 2 or 3 days so no surprise there.

Origin Systems
Bullfrog
Pandemic Studios
Bright Light

http://en.wikipedia....ic_Arts#Defunct

They're an EA subsidiary and EA isn't known as being warm and fuzzy OR known to leave survivors.

What was it that Morrinth said in ME2? People feel safest right before they die? The moment you think you're untouchable is the moment of your downfall.

[Major Swift]

DJBare wrote...

*Equips cain, aims at pyramids*

i wish that could work now that i see some of them, the egyptians are going to be pissed we stole them

[laughing sherpa girl]

Zanza86 wrote...

lunamoondragon wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...


I wish. I am just like the rest of you, a devoted fan. The only difference is I don't call out conspiracies when someone doesn't agree with me.

Hmmm...I seem to recall a '16 wildly different endings' promise.  3 choices that are basically the same don't make 16 wildly different endings.

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

What you just described is caled false advertissing. In the United States and Canada its a federal offense. Look it up..

Sorry love but there are more continents in the world than North America.

Yes, but being an American-based company it's to be assumed that it abides by American laws.

I don't see the police rocking up at their doorstep. Probably because they didn't do anything wrong. Just saying. If it really is as serious as you all seem to suggest then why not call the police?

Ummm, because we'd like to see bioware simply admit their mistakes and correct them rather than putting them out of business??

[Simocrates]

Computim wrote...

Also, off topic.. is it a bit weird that Bioware shows up as a mispell in the quick reply box...

That is because the spellchceck is from your internet browser.

Let's call the police and put an end to these snake oil merchants!

[Oldbones2]

Zanza86 wrote...



Only problem is you got the product you paid for. Just because you had expectations that it would be something they didn't advertise does not mean squat I'm afraid. Your options are whine on a forum and keep quoting a moronic phrase about holding an nonexistant line that like I said (and you seemed to have delibrately ignored due to the truth in the matter) shift to suit your needs. Talk about one dimensional thinking. If the game did not live up to expectations then why do you still play it? Why do you still harp on about it when you could simply return it or trade it into a second hand retailer. Complaining for the sake of complaining the lot of you. Keyboard warriors at their finest.

By all means continue to troll Bioware, I wonder how long it will take for you all to realise that you got the game you paid for. end of the day it is their story to tell and yes you got to make decisions and they did impact on how your game played out. characters not appearing, some dying due to choices i previous games. You got exactly what you asked for you just can't see it. There was consequences to your actions/choices, they just weren't on the size you wanted it to be. Boohoo, tough luck, welcome to the real world. The reason why I enjoyed the ending was because it  didn't end how I wanted it to. It had shown me that to survive the cycle that had been continuing for millions of years in itself was a victory and if you recall one of the earliest conversations in this game was Sheperd telling people that surviving the cycle is all that matters now.

Sheperd telling people that surviving the cycle is all that matters now.

I do remember that, specifically, I remember thinking it was a poorly written series of lines and was very out of character.

[Major Swift]

Computim wrote...

Also, off topic.. is it a bit weird that Bioware shows up as a mispell in the quick reply box...

lol ive always noticed that and also thought it was kind of weird

[Computim]

lunamoondragon wrote...

Yes, but being an American-based company it's to be assumed that it abides by American laws.

Bioware's actually Canadian, based out of Edmonton.
(Once again, on behalf of Canada we're sorry for the ending)

... and they're a subsidiary of EA Canada.. which is majority held company owned by Electronic Arts (the US one)

They didn't break any laws in what they did.. besides the law of customer service... They released a game, it has a beginning, middle, and end.  Even if you could prove a false advertising case that'd be a civil case and you'd probably be entitled to, at most, your money back.. it's probably in the EULA for the game that you agreed to the moment you popped it into the disc tray.  Usually limitation of liability clauses.

Stick to the line, no point threatening legal action on the company who's letting us use their forums to give our complaints and discuss things.  THAT would be entitlement on our part.

[gorgoth]

Zanza86 wrote...

I don't see the police rocking up at their doorstep. Probably because they didn't do anything wrong. Just saying. If it really is as serious as you all seem to suggest then why not call the police?

That's because said response only occurs in very serious and repeated cases. There are lots of cases of people winning lawsuits against companies for false advertisement in which the police where never involved. False Advertisement is seen as more of a civil matter then federal crime, but the federal courts can get involved in extreme cases. I feel most people expect such matters to be resolved by the free market.

[Fox544]

Computim wrote...


Bioware's actually Canadian, based out of Edmonton.
(Once again, on behalf of Canada we're sorry for the ending)

No worries. We're sorry about........well everything. If Jersey Shore has made it there yet then we're REALLY sorry.

[Computim]

Fox544 wrote...

Computim wrote...


Bioware's actually Canadian, based out of Edmonton.
(Once again, on behalf of Canada we're sorry for the ending)

No worries. We're sorry about........well everything. If Jersey Shore has made it there yet then we're REALLY sorry.

And the healing began

[Ihatebadgames]

This is another reason I'll likely never play multiplayer.Too many trying to ruin the experience for everyone else.People are asked not to make pyramids yet those who want to end the lline do,post pics,try to get arguements started.I really wish SSS (Shot,Shovel,and Shutup)worked on the net.My blood preasure would be lower.

Modifié par Ihatebadgames, 08 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[CitizenSnips28]

Zanza86 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that their multiple endings were in fact only two endings with several different colour schemes. However I have to admit I was surprised that it ended the way it did, it completely blind sided me and I loved it for that. I really expected the cliche we took them down peace to the galaxy etc but when it turned out to be bittersweet... It really made me grin.

Edit: My phone... it fights me so and makes me incomprehensible at times. -sigh-

Eh the hero dying at the end is pretty cliche as well. Secondly alot of Retakers are fine with the bittersweet ending. Thirdly its not necessarily bittersweet for Shep as he CAN live in the current game (but only if you play multilayer). Fourth, alot of people do not like bittersweet endings as they feel it invalidates all personal interactions Shep has. He may as well be a jerk to everyone who makes no friends and gets no hot lovins. If everyone dies or is stranded in the end, its the same difference. You may disagree with this. Fair enough, however you can't disagree that alotand alot of people were bitterly unhappy with it after the unprecedented chitstorm this has caused. SoI hey, why didn't Bioware use some of those 16 "vastly different" endings to give players who wanted something different from you what they wanted? Perhaps like Dragon Age Origins.give players a way to have shep and.crew come out of this personally well, but at a cost. You could still dump plenty of bitter on the ending, and indeed they already did. However also like DAO, giving players compelling reasons to sacrifice themselves. And before you go into how its realistic to not always be able to come out with afew win ill point out.this is a.game. Games are for fun. If were going full on realistic then why do I get to reload every time a Banshee ganks me and I die. If they're being realistic they should lock down the game if you die, not even allowing you to reroll.

Modifié par CitizenSnips28, 08 avril 2012 - 03:41 .

[-PG-Skyre]

MintyCool wrote...

Corporations are people too.

Let's be honest, you're emotional right now and you feel like Bioware has done some great wrong to you...

When it comes down to it though, you'll be first in line to pick up the next big AAA titles from Bioware, why?

Simple. Your game registration history proves it. If that's not enough of a reason, I will also mention that the style of game you enjoy is simply produced by only a few developers. So let's stop with "you'll hear my roar with my pocket book" routine. It's silly. Your financial decision has zero impact on the company.

Bioware is too-big-to-fail.

On a side note, if you're looking for some encouraging words from me, I will say that you have accomplished all that you possibly could relating to issues that concern your "movement".

You were able to convince Bioware to put some additional dev time into the endgame of Mass Effect 3. This means they will probably take scrapped ideas that they would have liked to include originally but lacked the timeframe to get it done. You have now allowed them that time.

PR and messaging wise it's a brilliant move by Bioware. As soon as the public hears your dismay over "Free DLC", one word will come everyones mind, entitlement.

Why do you think everyone laughs at the Tea Party now? Originally everyone was for the movement until they read the details of the groups actual morals, values, and goals. Look how laughable they have become....

Until then, you will continue to savage the last 15 minutes of the game until you become so cynical that no matter what the Dev team does you'll always be unhappy.

Understand that. I have and will continue to enjoy this series for what it was, it have not taken over my life....

Everything I say is fact. I'm just being honest. Good discussion.

<3

Bathesda & CD Projekt RED.
Both great companies. Both proven to listen to customers.
Both will be getting more of my money.

Just because we have purchased BioWare games up to this point, doesn't mean we always will. It is human nature to eventually reach a breaking point with something, and deciding it is not worth it. BioWare may well have reached that point for a lot of Retakers.

I do agree with you, BioWare is one of the "few" to produce the games I like. RPGs generally seem to be a dieing breed, replaced with less intellectual "shooters" (They are fun, but lets be honest, require less thought). However, there still are others out there.

Hells, I keep pointing people to P-RED. They completely upgrade their games for free, and give away all their DLC while they are at it. As for Bathesda...Skyrim...need I say more?
We may not have many choices, but we still do have some.

Also, side note. Why do people believe all we do is post here? Multitasking is something many do.
And as for finding more important things to rally about, I do that too. People are capable of rallying behind different causes at the same time.

[laughing sherpa girl]

Computim wrote...

lunamoondragon wrote...

Yes, but being an American-based company it's to be assumed that it abides by American laws.

Bioware's actually Canadian, based out of Edmonton.
(Once again, on behalf of Canada we're sorry for the ending)

... and they're a subsidiary of EA Canada.. which is majority held company owned by Electronic Arts (the US one)

They didn't break any laws in what they did.. besides the law of customer service... They released a game, it has a beginning, middle, and end.  Even if you could prove a false advertising case that'd be a civil case and you'd probably be entitled to, at most, your money back.. it's probably in the EULA for the game that you agreed to the moment you popped it into the disc tray.  Usually limitation of liability clauses.

Stick to the line, no point threatening legal action on the company who's letting us use their forums to give our complaints and discuss things.  THAT would be entitlement on our part.

I'm not threatening.. "We" COULD threaten, but thats not my first choice. Its just a reality, and one that since Bioware and EA Canada are owned and subsidized by EA America, they are bound by the same laws of their parent company..

[MintyCool]

Fox544 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Corporations are people too.

Let's be honest, you're emotional right now and you feel like Bioware has done some great wrong to you...

When it comes down to it though, you'll be first in line to pick up the next big AAA titles from Bioware, why?

Simple. Your game registration history proves it. If that's not enough of a reason, I will also mention that the style of game you enjoy is simply produced by only a few developers. So let's stop with "you'll hear my roar with my pocket book" routine. It's silly. Your financial decision has zero impact on the company.

Bioware is too-big-to-fail.

On a side note, if you're looking for some encouraging words from me, I will say that you have accomplished all that you possibly could relating to issues that concern your "movement".

You were able to convince Bioware to put some additional dev time into the endgame of Mass Effect 3. This means they will probably take scrapped ideas that they would have liked to include originally but lacked the timeframe to get it done. You have now allowed them that time.

PR and messaging wise it's a brilliant move by Bioware. As soon as the public hears your dismay over "Free DLC", one word will come everyones mind, entitlement.

Why do you think everyone laughs at the Tea Party now? Originally everyone was for the movement until they read the details of the groups actual morals, values, and goals. Look how laughable they have become....

Until then, you will continue to savage the last 15 minutes of the game until you become so cynical that no matter what the Dev team does you'll always be unhappy.

Understand that. I have and will continue to enjoy this series for what it was, it have not taken over my life....

Everything I say is fact. I'm just being honest. Good discussion.

<3

I stopped reading at "Too big to fail". That is purely non-sensical and delusional. Then again you've been trolling this thread for the last 2 or 3 days so no surprise there.

Origin Systems
Bullfrog
Pandemic Studios
Bright Light

http://en.wikipedia....ic_Arts#Defunct

They're an EA subsidiary and EA isn't known as being warm and fuzzy OR known to leave survivors.

What was it that Morrinth said in ME2? People feel safest right before they die? The moment you think you're untouchable is the moment of your downfall.

Wait... are you seriously trying to compare Pandemic Studios and Origin Systems...to Bioware? lol. How laughable.

Do a little research about those companies before tossing random talking points at my face, you'll look less silly....

I love how you lack the ability to read more than a few sentences as well. You know what they say, "When logic attacks your beliefs...dig deeper." Christianity is famous for this....

Being slightly a jerk, I apologize. I encourage you though to fight your simplistic urges to take flight. Try actually reading what I had to say. Love you. Seriously though, Game of Thrones needs me....

Schooling all of Retake one sentence at a time....

Modifié par MintyCool, 08 avril 2012 - 03:39 .