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[Bionic Weapon]

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

[Vlta]

Seriously how has minty not been banned yet, boggles the mind it does

[laughing sherpa girl]

Alamandorious wrote...

It's really sad, in a big way, that some people don't realize that this was a bigger battle than just ME3's ending.

See, somewhere along the way someone got the notion to call a consumer product 'art'. They did this so that they could put shoddy, incomplete, or both, products on the market and defend them by saying 'it's art, and you can't change art.'. This consumed product is, well, video games. Back when they first came out on a large scale, video games were never released without being complete. Bugs were worked out through extensive testing to create a complete, working product. Some, of course, were better than others in this regard.

Eventually, as time wore on, games became more complex, more graphically intense...soon you could weave a real story into them through cutscenes rather than just a background story in a manual. Cutscenes started to get more and more cinematic as game machines became more and more powerful.

All this while, games were still treated as a commercial product; you made them appealing, you made them as good and as unique as you could, and you sold them en masse.

But then...developers started getting lazy. Why try to perfect something before release when you could patch it later? This attitude lead to shorter development periods...increasingly shorter. It got so bad that some games that came out needed day 1 patching to even work. Luckily, someone had the brains to go 'enough is enough'. Games had to be fully functional before release, that became the standard.

And game complexity grew, the voice acting improved, the visuals improved, and the development times shortened evermore.

They had to be mass produced, they had to be on the market more quickly to keep profits up, to keep investors happy. And the quality started to suffer...games started to essentially be clones of one another, started becoming incomplete...or long standing serieses of games started to be altered in ways that were bad...C&C being one of them.

This caused resentment to build amongst gamers ever further...but, nothing was ever really organized. Over the last decade or two, corportions have systematically beat it into the skulls of society that we can't change anything they do, or question their products, because we need them more than they need us.

Finally, with this game, things overflowed. Years of having inferior, incomplete products being driven down our throats, of being forced to pay for little extras that used to be free and part for parcel with a game...

Personally, I believe it was the lies that broke the camels back, that unleashed the deluge. I don't need to go into detail about what those lies were, they're easily found elsewhere in this thread.

The backlash came; the ending was not nearly what was promised, it flew in the face of everything that had been promised. The product was defective...but because we loved Bioware, instead of demanding our money back, we asked them to deliver what was promised.

Then, suddenly, we were entitled. We had no right to question 'art'. Up until this point, the 'art' defense had never been used...this was being used to deny accountability for an incomplete product. Suddenly, all this corporate brainwashing kicked in, and the rights of consumers went right out the window.

This battle was a way to fight back against the current corporate dogma, to show that customers still had power...because in the end, these companies exist because of our money. They exist because of us, the consumer, and can't exist without us.

Video games will always be a consumer product. They are mass produced, and have to be purchased en-mass to succeed. All this 'art' argument has done is given the corporations more leeway than ever to deliver shoddy and incomplete products, and worse, lie to the consumers and then shout 'artistic integrity' when someone tries to hold them accountable.

That is the precedent that has been set, that's what this was, directly for some and indirectly for others, a battle against. So for those of you who liked the ending and mock us...good for you.

Just remember this when you get more day 1 DLC with things that used to come as part of the parcel normally, and get incomplete games with shouts of 'it's art' in the future.

Christ but i wish i had your eloquence.

[CitizenSnips28]

MintyCool wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Calm down please. You're giving him what he wants. He's condescending and arrogant to get a rise out of people.

Seriously... some of you are pathetically paranoid.

Hey weren't you JUST saying its easy to call names when your talking points fail? Minty... ever since you started fake debating I... I don't know if I love you anymore. Its like you're not even the same person! I think... we need to see other people. You're just no fun anymore.

[Computim]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

Which one is that?  Han Solo Dance Battle, Destroy All Jedi, or make subtly political comment about liberty dying to thunderous applause?

[Major Swift]

Computim wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

Which one is that?  Han Solo Dance Battle, Destroy All Jedi, or make subtly political comment about liberty dying to thunderous applause?

ahhhh! not Han Solo Dance Battle!!!!! *goes back to youtube to find things to wash that from my memory again*

[Kyria Nyriese]

I think it might be ignore the bridge dwellers protocol. Not sure on that, if that's not 42, then I suggest we implement which ever protocol it is.

[SilverOnemi]

[LethesDeep]

Computim wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

Which one is that?  Han Solo Dance Battle, Destroy All Jedi, or make subtly political comment about liberty dying to thunderous applause?

I thought it had to do with killing our orange-wearing teammembers and then chasing our opponents with a steamroller.

[Computim]

Major Swift wrote...

Computim wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

Which one is that?  Han Solo Dance Battle, Destroy All Jedi, or make subtly political comment about liberty dying to thunderous applause?

ahhhh! not Han Solo Dance Battle!!!!! *goes back to youtube to find things to wash that from my memory again*

*files that under "Weapons of Mass Destruction"*

[sumillebonus]

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

I think it'd time to initiate operation "Footie Pajamas" - I don't know what it'll do - but, c'mon... how hard can you rage in footies? 2 minutes of yelling and 2 hours of moonwalking across the carpets.

[VonVerrikan]

I really don't know why anyone wastes time with Mintys comments. When you see his name just skip the post.

[Kyria Nyriese]

VonVerrikan wrote...

I really don't know why anyone wastes time with Mintys comments. When you see his name just skip the post.

Yep pretty much skipped about 4 pages there.

[Computim]

sumillebonus wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

I think it'd time to initiate operation "Footie Pajamas" - I don't know what it'll do - but, c'mon... how hard can you rage in footies? 2 minutes of yelling and 2 hours of moonwalking across the carpets.

...you must have the most awesome parties... expense account AND 2 hours of moonwalking carpet partying.  Where have you been all my life? 

[Mythandariel]

sumillebonus wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

I think it'd time to initiate operation "Footie Pajamas" - I don't know what it'll do - but, c'mon... how hard can you rage in footies? 2 minutes of yelling and 2 hours of moonwalking across the carpets.

Then about five hours of being convinced that you are Thor! God of Thunder as you shock the ever loving crap out of everyone and their dog.

[VonVerrikan]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

VonVerrikan wrote...

I really don't know why anyone wastes time with Mintys comments. When you see his name just skip the post.

Yep pretty much skipped about 4 pages there.

Not quite, considering there are posts on the previous page. And I don't think it matters when it's said, as it's sound advice regardless.

Modifié par VonVerrikan, 08 avril 2012 - 04:44 .

[Fox544]

SilverOnemi wrote...

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amazon.com now selling all version at $49.99. Not good. ME3 has been out 1 month and already dropped $10. As for amazon.co.uk its obvious someone just wants to get rid of their stock.

[Computim]

Mythandariel wrote...

Then about five hours of being convinced that you are Thor! God of Thunder as you shock the ever loving crap out of everyone and their dog.

....such possibilities....

I love this thread <3

Modifié par Computim, 08 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[laughing sherpa girl]

SilverOnemi wrote...
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I dont think the value of the USD went down any in the last 48 hours, so, thats absolutely astounding..

[Woobels]

I'll be very very honest and sadly this thread has turned into a whiny circlejerk by now.

[Computim]

Fox544 wrote...

SilverOnemi wrote...

snip

amazon.com now selling all version at $49.99. Not good. ME3 has been out 1 month and already dropped $10. As for amazon.co.uk its obvious someone just wants to get rid of their stock.

What's the regular price in the UK?  It's like $69 here but it's now down to $36.48...
Give a comparison: Skyrim is $39.99 at the moment.

[sumillebonus]

Computim wrote...

sumillebonus wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

I think it'd time to initiate operation "Footie Pajamas" - I don't know what it'll do - but, c'mon... how hard can you rage in footies? 2 minutes of yelling and 2 hours of moonwalking across the carpets.

...you must have the most awesome parties... expense account AND 2 hours of moonwalking carpet partying.  Where have you been all my life? 

Computim - thenext time I throw a footie pajama rager, you'll be on the invite list - promise :happy:

[DJBare]

SilverOnemi wrote...

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That's less than half the price I paid, ahh well, time to practice my self restraint in future, user reviews first, then bargain bucket if need be.

[Spartas Husky]

www.youtube.com/watch

1:20... perfect explanation. I could not have done it better.

[laughing sherpa girl]

sumillebonus wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...

What is going on in this thread? Do we need to initiate Protocol 42

I think it'd time to initiate operation "Footie Pajamas" - I don't know what it'll do - but, c'mon... how hard can you rage in footies? 2 minutes of yelling and 2 hours of moonwalking across the carpets.

lets see, 60 years old ( look like 80 ) wrinkled, stooped shouldered and needing a cane, i can rage pretty hard in footies, especially if they have a hood, but it would look pretty funny...